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How is this thread still going?!

Now we're doing well the things the "moaners who don't go" are focusing on are becoming so obscure it's untrue.

What next? Complaints that the door on Trap 3 of the Kop bogs is still squeaking?

We're flying at the moment, anyone spending hours of their life moaning about made up bollocks right now needs a new hobby.
 



Rodley said:
How is this thread still going?!

Now we're doing well the things the "moaners who don't go" are focusing on are becoming so obscure it's untrue.

What next? Complaints that the door on Trap 3 of the Kop bogs is still squeaking?

We're flying at the moment, anyone spending hours of their life moaning about made up bollocks right now needs a new hobby.
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Rod me 'owd, if you don't like the thread then it begs the question of why you're reading it, or even on it to post on it.
 
Barney said:
Rod me 'owd, if you don't like the thread then it begs the question of why you're reading it, or even on it to post on it.
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I hate this thread too. But have stuck by it through thick and thin, I'm loathe to leave it now in case it reaches a gripping conclusion.

To give up would be to admit that I have monumentally wasted my time .... surely not?
 
This thread says so much about the individual contributors and their own needs and motivations. A small number are in their absolute element i.e. confrontational, pedantic, petty point scorers, abusive and short of something better to do. Just pleased to be dragging it all on and on and on.

Poor example of this Forum.

The OP simply made the point that McCabe is not screwing the club for extortionate rent on the freehold his company owns. This had been claimed by posters, without proper information or sincere motivations, numerous times on here in the past.
 
Barney said:
Do you not think it's just a tad suspicious that we buy a pitch, sell Murphy and then not sign the few top quality key players we desperately needed that season. If we didn't sell him to fund the pitch, we would have spent the Murphy money on fees of new signings, which we all know we didn't bother to do.
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Like Sean has said. The pitch deal was signed way before. Who's to say Murphy wouldn't have been injured or his value slumped in the meantime? I thought the cup run paid for the pitch?
You say suspicious. Could it not be coincidence? Does there really have to be something sinister lurking behind every boardroom decision made at the lane?
 
spongebobblade said:
Like Sean has said. The pitch deal was signed way before. Who's to say Murphy wouldn't have been injured or his value slumped in the meantime? I thought the cup run paid for the pitch?
You say suspicious. Could it not be coincidence? Does there really have to be something sinister lurking behind every boardroom decision made at the lane?
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Well as I said, if it wasn't to fund the pitch, we would have invested the Murphy money on bringing players in and we didn't. May I also remind you that the Murphy sale was about £750k more than what we paid for the pitch.
 
Barney said:
Well as I said, if it wasn't to fund the pitch, we would have invested the Murphy money on bringing players in and we didn't. May I also remind you that the Murphy sale was about £750k more than what we paid for the pitch.
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Didn't we bring Sharp in?
 
Barney said:
Well as I said, if it wasn't to fund the pitch, we would have invested the Murphy money on bringing players in and we didn't.
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Would we? Really? You sure of that? Ever thought the money got swallowed by our huge running costs? Not having a go but not everything can be laid at Kevs door. He's nowhere near perfect but we could a lot bloody worse. At least he cares
 
spongebobblade said:
Would we? Really? You sure of that? Ever thought the money got swallowed by our huge running costs? Not having a go but not everything can be laid at Kevs door. He's nowhere near perfect but we could a lot bloody worse. At least he cares
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It shouldn't have been used to pay running costs this is the point. It should have been reinvested in first team player additions which it famously wasn't.
 
Barney said:
Oh sorry, so we didn't bother to spend £1.25m instead of £1.75m. On actual player purchases at least. All good now then...
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So, do you think the only thing to factor in is the purchase price of the player? Don't you think his wages might come into the equation (for a two, maybe three year contract) along with signing on fee and agent's fee.

We also signed Woolford. Now I know people have mixed views about him, but we never-the-less signed him. I doubt very much that he was paid as much as Sharp, but he will still have been paid, and again there are other associated costs in signing him.

Plus Salmon and Edgar may have been loan signings, but there is still the small matter of their wages to pay over the course of a season.

I doubt that £2.4 million in season ticket sales, plus a few thousand pay on the dayers will cover all that along with the wage costs of the rest of our (at that time fairly large) squad. And that's before we start looking at the running costs for the ground, training centre, etc.
 
Barney said:
It shouldn't have been used to pay running costs this is the point. It should have been reinvested in first team player additions which it famously wasn't.
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It has to be used how the owner sees fit. While ever we are running at a loss we shouldn't expect him to bail the club out 100% of the time. Like it or lump it we have to accept it
 
oldblade said:
So, do you think the only thing to factor in is the purchase price of the player? Don't you think his wages might come into the equation (for a two, maybe three year contract) along with signing on fee and agent's fee.

We also signed Woolford. Now I know people have mixed views about him, but we never-the-less signed him. I doubt very much that he was paid as much as Sharp, but he will still have been paid, and again there are other associated costs in signing him.

Plus Salmon and Edgar may have been loan signings, but there is still the small matter of their wages to pay over the course of a season.

I doubt that £2.4 million in season ticket sales, plus a few thousand pay on the dayers will cover all that along with the wage costs of the rest of our (at that time fairly large) squad. And that's before we start looking at the running costs for the ground, training centre, etc.
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But one would hope we would have spent that money on Edgar, Woodford etc. anyway even if we hadn't sold Murphy. Just as investment on new players for that season as standard. And the running costs for training ground etc. shouldn't come in to it, these should have just been paid as normal, none of the Murphy money should have been used to subsidise this, if indeed it was. So the additional money received from the Murphy sale should, in my view have gone on the costs of additional much needed players.
 
We have just a few posters who are Blades who nevertheless do a great job in causing disruption.

When times are good they still chip away at morale by whatever means they can.

When times are bad more people listen to them.

They could be Wednesdayites but they are Blades with a certain persona.

The odd one or two could be Wednesdayites.

After 5000 posts that is what I believe, but in any group of people you always have dissenters and anarchists even if they are on the same side. That's life.
 
Woodwardfan said:
We have just a few posters who are Blades who nevertheless do a great job in causing disruption.

When times are good they still chip away at morale by whatever means they can.

When times are bad more people listen to them.

They could be Wednesdayites but they are Blades with a certain persona.

The odd one or two could be Wednesdayites.

After 5000 posts that is what I believe, but in any group of people you always have dissenters and anarchists even if they are on the same side. That's life.
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The big toe on my right foot is bigger than the one on my left.
 



spongebobblade said:
It has to be used how the owner sees fit. While ever we are running at a loss we shouldn't expect him to bail the club out 100% of the time. Like it or lump it we have to accept it
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Anyone throw any light on who funds the ongoing losses? I've always thought it was the owners but apparently not. Anyone?
 
Barney said:
But one would hope we would have spent that money on Edgar, Woodford etc. anyway even if we hadn't sold Murphy. Just as investment on new players for that season as standard. And the running costs for training ground etc. shouldn't come in to it, these should have just been paid as normal, none of the Murphy money should have been used to subsidise this, if indeed it was. So the additional money received from the Murphy sale should, in my view have gone on the costs of additional much needed players.
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Murphy's transfer fee was undisclosed, just as Sharp's purchase price was. So you (and I) have no real idea how much money was left over after the two transactions. Also, neither of us know how much either of them was/is paid in wages, but I do know that the total wage bill for the club in the June 2015 accounts was over £10 million and I'm willing to guess that Sharp is paid more than Murphy was paid. That has to be covered over the course of his contract which is two years with a further year's option..

As far as I'm concerned it is very easy to see where the Murphy money went, and it wasn't on a football pitch or into anyone's back pocket.

And I did say that the player costs would not be covered by our ticket sales BEFORE taking into account any other costs. I would have thought that might show that Murphy's fee was very likely spent entirely on playing staff costs and in all probability went on just those four players mentioned.
 
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oldblade said:
Murphy's transfer fee was undisclosed, just as Sharp's purchase price was. So you (and I) have no real idea how much money was left over after the two transactions. Also, neither of us know how much either of them was/is paid in wages, but I do know that the total wage bill for the club in the June 2015 accounts was over £10 million and I'm willing to guess that Sharp is paid more than Murphy was paid. That has to be covered over the course of his contract which is two years with a further year's option..

As far as I'm concerned it is very easy to see where the Murphy money went, and it wasn't on a football pitch or into anyone's back pocket.
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Never suggested it was, re-read my post #343 as I'd only end up repeating what I posted there.
 
spongebobblade said:
Are we not lottery funded?
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Think you may have misinterpreted that post, I think he might have been referring to your suggestion that the owners can't always be expected to fund ongoing losses, when in fact that's what they do. Could be wrong of course.
 
Unless I've missed it, nobody has suggested a good reason why Kevin McCabe would deliberately choose to sabotage the club's playing prospects by selling players who don't want to leave. What would he have to gain by doing so? Or is the argument that he is simply too stingy to fund a promotion challenge? If so, why did he become a director at all? If anyone thinks he is using United to increase his own personal wealth at the expense of the club's progress on the pitch, then please have the guts to say so. If you are just arguing that he is no good as a businessman, then apply to be on the next series of The Apprentice to discover how simple and what fun it is.

From where I sit one of the keys to United's success so far this season, based on speed and accurate passing, is the lovely pitch that suits the skills of the players and doesn't turn into a mudbath like we saw when Fulham came to the Lane in the Cup. Better players play better football on better surfaces. Bad pitches are more likely to drag them down to the level of everyone else. Unless you actually attend matches at the Lane there's no way you can appreciate this fact.

A lot of Blades live around the country and can't get to matches here, but most of them have enough sense not to make negative comments on performances they haven't seen, like the first half against Swindon for example. Has it not occurred to the begrudgers that one of the reasons we are seeing such exciting football at the moment is that we have a pitch which enhances, rather than negates, the advantage of having more skilful players than the opposition?
 
Barney said:
Think you may have misinterpreted that post, I think he might have been referring to your suggestion that the owners can't always be expected to fund ongoing losses, when in fact that's what they do. Could be wrong of course.
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I think he was referring to the fact that some on here actually think he's put bugger all into United or worse still, is fleecing us.
 
Barney said:
Never suggested it was, re-read my post #343 as I'd only end up repeating what I posted there.
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You didn't say it ended up in someone's back pocket, but in post 278 you did say this (and I quote exactly what you wrote):

"Fuck me, it comes right back down to this:

We unnecessarily installed a Desso pitch, and then sold Murphy to pay for it.

Perhaps, just perhaps, it might have been better to keep Murphy or instead of buying a fancy pitch we did not need, buy a few top quality players in much needed positions.

And then we've got mouthpieces like t'owd Sean who never fails to rock up and make a half arsed effort at defending this type of stuff.

For anyone that can't be arsed reading the whole thread, that is about top and bottom of it."


You do think that the Murphy money paid for the pitch. I don't.
 
oldblade said:
You didn't say it ended up in someone's back pocket, but in post 278 you did say this (and I quote exactly what you wrote)


You do think that the Murphy money paid for the pitch. I don't.
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Oh dear. Is this a case of rocking up with one of those half arsed defences you were on about Barney? Or is that coming next.

I didnt

Yes you did

Where

Here

......

Well it is panto season

:)
 



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