CONFIRMED Selles Sacked - He’s Gone.

[mattbianco1]

Wow.

How long were you prepared to give Selles?

The second point may well be true, but is irrelevant at present.

Before Friday i said we should give him until the International break. I expected a marked improvement as he'd now got his signings in etc.

I walked out of Portman Road as soon as the 4th flew in and said that I was changing my mind and that he had to go.

Most fans wanted him gone after the Bristol City game, certainly after the Birmingham cup game... in fact, many fans wanted him gone before he'd made his first interview

 

[Revolution]

Before Friday i said we should give him until the International break. I expected a marked improvement as he'd now got his signings in etc.

I walked out of Portman Road as soon as the 4th flew in and said that I was changing my mind and that he had to go.

Most fans wanted him gone after the Bristol City game, certainly after the Birmingham cup game... in fact, many fans wanted him gone before he'd made his first interview

I wanted him gone after Boro, FWIW.

 

[mattbianco1]

I wanted him gone after Boro, FWIW.

I'm guessing they didn't because it was Transfer Deadline weekend.

They let him bring his players in, then watched us get dicked 5-0

 

[SB_90]

Interesting to see Thomas Frank's start at Brentford, 1 win, 1 draw in first 10 games. Mind you I don't think there was an argument for patience with Selles, had shown little in any of the games and felt like he lost the dressing room, players not playing for him. Part of me a little disappointed we will only even be Wilder FC, but feels like potentially the best compromise at this point in time.

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looking at that its understandable why they gave him time. alot of the defeats were close, he only went 3 games without a result. & i remember that Brentford game. how well they well played

 

[KMC-1889]

Why Mousinho?

But we’re Sheffield United, we don’t like change, outsiders or nice things. So we’re stuck with Wilder.

 

[Dkc]

Unfortunately our fans are too impatient to let the overhaul process run it's course. Same happened with Slav.

You think Selles deserved more time?

EDIT: Sorry, just saw you already answered

 

[mattbianco1]

looking at that its understandable why they gave him time. alot of the defeats were close

Bristol and Ipswich aside, ours were. We only lost by 1 to the others.

 

[SB_90]

Bristol and Ipswich aside, ours were. We only lost by 1 to the others.

they were close on paper, but we know. that it should be 4-1 v Birmingham, 3-1 v millwall 4-0 v Middlesbrough & 5-0 ipswich. but we got let of with some dreadful finishing

& there is a difference between 1-0. & the 3-2 & 4-3 that frank lost

 

[mattbianco1]

they were close on paper, but we know. that it should be 4-1 v Birmingham, 3-1 v millwall 4-0 v Middlesbrough & 5-0 ipswich. but we got let of with some dreadful finishing

Sssh

 

[SUFC Guy]

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But we’re Sheffield United, we don’t like change, outsiders or nice things. So we’re stuck with Wilder.

3-5-2?

We were 4-2-3-1 for the most part last season under CW

 

[KMC-1889]

3-5-2?

We were 4-2-3-1 for the most part last season under CW

It’ll be based on the bulk of his games, he didn’t switch to a 4-2-3-1 until a couple of games at the end of the premier league season

 

[programmechap]

Meanwhile, back in a world where there are consequences for ineptitude, the likely relegation to League One has been averted.

Seriously, if you want to be entertained by the football every week, the PL is the football to watch. The PL has outstanding players, playing good stuff, in teams that hardly ever lose. Anything else is an inferior "product". Go and watch that and you will get your wish. Or watch Barcelona or something.

It's not just Sheffield United - which championship clubs guarantee you entertainment every single game? This is a pipe dream. You are holding the club, and the players, to a standard that is rarely, if ever, achieved in this division.

And here we go again. Last season was the least entertaining for many years. Well, no. The season before we won 3 of 38 games and conceded more goals than any team in the top flight in 60 years. Didn't see much entertainment to be had there. People who make this silly comment (and there are many) have very short memories.

Personally, I find wins entertaining. They are certainly a lot more entertaining that what the Poor Man's Russell Martin served up this season.

Spot on. Personally I'm far more entertained by United winning 1-0 in a dogged defensive display, than playing expansive attacking football and losing 4-3.

The whole point in supporting a football team is wanting them to win. Playing aesthetically attractive football comes way way behind.

As you say, if that's what you're in to, give up on United and support Liverpool or Man City. You'll be far happier.

 

[programmechap]

Spot on. Personally I'm far more entertained by United winning 1-0 in a dogged defensive display, than playing expansive attacking football and losing 4-3.

The whole point in supporting a football team is wanting them to win. Playing aesthetically attractive football comes way way behind.

As you say, if that's what you're in to, give up on United and support Liverpool or Man City. You'll be far happier.

I think back to the Arsenal semi defeat in 2003 when Seaman pulled off that save. We played magnificently against the reigning PL champions and were desperately unlucky to lose. I was proud of them, but bitterly disappointed.

Had we been outclassed by Arsenal, seen them have numerous chances, but been plagued by bad finishing whereas we didn't muster a shot on a goal, but then, the last minute, Seaman slips whilst about to kick a back pass upfield and the ball trundles into the net...

I'd have been ecstatic as would every other united fan. We'd be in a cup final FFS

 

[Kenilworth]

Totally agree and was the reason why I wasn't too bothered that we let Wilder go after the Play Offs. We need to move on medium/long-term. Unfortunately our fans are too impatient to let the overhaul process run it's course. Same happened with Slav.

Wilder will get us firing again, but he'll never sustain us as a top fight club

There’s short term, medium term and long term.

Short term is the results on the pitch, here and now.

Medium term (2-3 years) is a fully functioning Cat 1 academy.

Longer term 3-4 years hence may be altering the foundations and landscape of the club to a different set up than a football manager. We are way off that in terms of infrastructure.

I don’t see any other clubs fans being patient and I don’t see the blame for the current predicament being the fault of the Blades fans impatience. If anything it’s the crass stupidity of the COH board thinking they can paint by numbers and not utilise a wealth of experience. To bring a rookie like Selles in with his Sunday boys club coaching staff and expect him to galvanise, change, manage, coach, etc and be a success is one of the most naive and stupid things I’ve seen from a board of a football club.

And I keep seeing Slav being mentioned, as though his appointment and dreadful track record is an indictment of our Neanderthal set up and status. Slav has done absolutely nowt since he left us. He was a clueless, ineffective disaster for this club and you only have to look at what Hecky did with the same squad to see that.
Slav wasn’t backed is all I hear. He was gash, garbage, here for a final pay day. The only similarity is the naïveté of bringing Slav in to a club that has a structure for a traditional football manager and expecting him to be successful without fundamentally investing in and changing the infrastructure before attempting that. I’d still say Slav was completely the wrong choice and was one of the first to voice that at the time.

We are where we are and if the goal is to become a Prem team in a sustained way then it will take an investment of never been done here proportions to enable that to happen. But that’s behind the scenes and not just a change of leadership at the playing level.

 

[ThroughThinAndThinner]

I don’t think your definition of sportsmen giving up and not being professional is an indictment against players who were being coached by incompetents. You do what they tell you to do but if you are asked to do stuff that doesn’t work and you are far more experienced then them then it ends in conflict. With Wilder and Knill including Lester the coaching experience was huge hundreds of games including experience of promotions, international coaching experience Knill and Lester as well as being ex players. I can relate it to schools, the quality of schools depend on how good the leadership teams are, when the leadership team aren’t performing professional teachers can’t be hoodwinked. The leadership team start to clutch at straws, (Friday’s bench) staff don’t down tools but they become less organised because of mixed messages etc. We will see the difference under Wilder but it doesn’t mean the players have now decided to try, it means the manager as a clue. Blame the board for the stupid appointment, not Selles for not being any good, Selles needs lots of experience at lower levels before he gets an opportunity in the championship again.

To an extent, I agree, the tactics weren't working and that responsibility lies with Selles. But I don't agree that players not buying into an approach is an excuse for some of the individual performances we have seen this season.

We all recognise good leaderships and poor that we've had in our own working lives, we moan, challenge, and sometimes have conflict. But that doesn't mean we should be half hearted in our own efforts.

Taking Hamer as an example, in the first game he had the captain's armband on. 10 minutes into the second half he lost the ball, shrugged his shoulders and walked back to his own half, making no attempt to recover the ball or indeed get back and help out once we had won the ball back. That to me said a lot, and he shouldn't have been wearing an armband if that's his attitude. Your captain is the leader on the pitch, and we're crying out for one.

Theres an interesting point earlier on about Selles' style and what worked at Hull and Reading. With all due respect to their squads, they are not at the strength of ours, so why did they get better results than ourselves?

I'm not suggesting he shouldn't be sacked, with this group of players, for whatever reason, it wasn't working and a change was clearly needed. But there are a lot players who haven't done themselves justice over that time either.

 

[Andy67]

To an extent, I agree, the tactics weren't working and that responsibility lies with Selles. But I don't agree that players not buying into an approach is an excuse for some of the individual performances we have seen this season.

We all recognise good leaderships and poor that we've had in our own working lives, we moan, challenge, and sometimes have conflict. But that doesn't mean we should be half hearted in our own efforts.

Taking Hamer as an example, in the first game he had the captain's armband on. 10 minutes into the second half he lost the ball, shrugged his shoulders and walked back to his own half, making no attempt to recover the ball or indeed get back and help out once we had won the ball back. That to me said a lot, and he shouldn't have been wearing an armband if that's his attitude. Your captain is the leader on the pitch, and we're crying out for one.

Theres an interesting point earlier on about Selles' style and what worked at Hull and Reading. With all due respect to their squads, they are not at the strength of ours, so why did they get better results than ourselves?

I'm not suggesting he shouldn't be sacked, with this group of players, for whatever reason, it wasn't working and a change was clearly needed. But there are a lot players who haven't done themselves justice over that time either.

He didn’t do much with Hull and they had some decent players.

 

[dexter101]

Spot on. Personally I'm far more entertained by United winning 1-0 in a dogged defensive display, than playing expansive attacking football and losing 4-3.

The whole point in supporting a football team is wanting them to win. Playing aesthetically attractive football comes way way behind.

As you say, if that's what you're in to, give up on United and support Liverpool or Man City. You'll be far happier.

I think the issue with us last season is we just stopped trying to score once we scored. There was probably a genuine tactical reason for it but I do think we could have won games scoring more goals but we didn't and winning 3-0 is more enjoyable than winning 1-0.

You are absolutely right though, playing attractive football and then losing is like thinking you are in with a chance with an attractive girl, only to find she is wearing a chastity belt. frustrating and a waste of time.

 

[TJ blade]

OK

Seems like he is then, congratulations... he still fucked up at Wembley though, and more worrying for me is the owners decision making, whoever came up with Selles wants a slap looking to the future though, with this lot in charge, can't see us ever getting to the dizzy heights of Bournemouth/ Brentford, as for Wilder don't give him any real money! We don't want another Cannon/ Brewster situation on our hands ever again, stick to bargain basement signing Chris it's what you do best

 

[Moan? Nope-I saw Longhorn]

Wish I was, could do a better job off mi nut!

Would he be interested in the‘project’? If so pay the man

Apologies, been away and missed cooper

I wanted him out, but short termism, we need a rescue job and can’t think of anyone else who could come in and get us into playoffs - we don’t have time for someone who doesn’t know the club to get to/another fuck up job

You ARE a board member - the one (with humility) that writes the ‘press releases’

“Chris Wilder returns with proven leadership and an unparalleled understanding of Sheffield United. We are confident he is the right person to restore momentum, unite the squad and supporters, and deliver the results necessary to achieve our objectives this season……
Responsibility for recent results lies with us as owners, and we remain fully committed to supporting the team and pursuing promotion."