CONFIRMED Selles Sacked - He’s Gone.

[metalblade]

It's OK giving Wilder a free reign in the short term to get us out of this hole but what about when we want to progress higher than a yo yo team? We can't have one man running everything he will burn out in no time like I think he did at the end of last season. We have to modernise the club we can't live in a world 30 years in the past we need people above Wilder who know what they are doing look at today's successful clubs they change team manager but keep on being successful the change is seamless rather than our version of chaos.

 

[Shadota]

It's a shame the Selles move didn't work out. He seems a decent bloke, spoke well, seemed to have solid ideas of playing aggressively etc. But it fell apart from the moment we went 2-1 behind vs Brizzle on the opening day. If that game goes a different way, we wouldn't be here now. But facts don't lie - the team hasn't been good enough under him, and when that happens, there's only one way for things to turn out.

I'd really, really like, if we went out and made a statement hire. Someone who will truly out the cat amongst the pigeons, and revitalise the team in the process. The problem therein though, is that anyone who really would have done that was snapped up in the summer. So it's fairly slim pickings now as far as available hires are concerned.

Unless we go and get a top quality manager from another club, we're going to be picking from people who were deemed not good enough for their prior clubs, and not good enough for any other club in the summer that was in need of a new gaffer.

But despite that, we all know what's coming. Mr "we got 92 points". Which is truly saddening for me.

I know the counter-arguments about the points tally, but I don't really care. Nowadays, I have an expectation that in going to a football match, I will be entertained. Considering the level of time and monetary investment that is required to attend a match, I should be able to leave at full time, content that it was a smart decision. And last season, the football we played, was some of the least entertaining I've seen from a Blades side in many, many years. And I expect we're going to end up seeing more of the same.

I want to have a team that I am proud of. That I'd happily fork out cash, week after week to go and watch in the flesh. There's no disputing that Selles failed to deliver that, but the concern for me now he's gone, is that the next man through the door will fail to generate that feeling in me as well.

 

[Snowflake]

It's a shame the Selles move didn't work out. He seems a decent bloke, spoke well, seemed to have solid ideas of playing aggressively etc. But it fell apart from the moment we went 2-1 behind vs Brizzle on the opening day. If that game goes a different way, we wouldn't be here now. But facts don't lie - the team hasn't been good enough under him, and when that happens, there's only one way for things to turn out.

I'd really, really like, if we went out and made a statement hire. Someone who will truly out the cat amongst the pigeons, and revitalise the team in the process. The problem therein though, is that anyone who really would have done that was snapped up in the summer. So it's fairly slim pickings now as far as available hires are concerned.

Unless we go and get a top quality manager from another club, we're going to be picking from people who were deemed not good enough for their prior clubs, and not good enough for any other club in the summer that was in need of a new gaffer.

But despite that, we all know what's coming. Mr "we got 92 points". Which is truly saddening for me.

I know the counter-arguments about the points tally, but I don't really care. Nowadays, I have an expectation that in going to a football match, I will be entertained. Considering the level of time and monetary investment that is required to attend a match, I should be able to leave at full time, content that it was a smart decision. And last season, the football we played, was some of the least entertaining I've seen from a Blades side in many, many years. And I expect we're going to end up seeing more of the same.

I want to have a team that I am proud of. That I'd happily fork out cash, week after week to go and watch in the flesh. There's no disputing that Selles failed to deliver that, but the concern for me now he's gone, is that the next man through the door will fail to generate that feeling in me as well.

Well said. That’s exactly how I felt last season and don’t want to this season.

 

[Eskimo]

Agree

We should also have arranged for Fred Tunstall , Jimmy Hagen , Alan Woodward , Fatty Foulkes , Len Badger etc to be frozen and stored under the stage in the fanzone to be defrosted and put straight into the first team - should we need them

Fact is Robson for Warnock and Selles for Wilder were probably the worst managerial choices we have made irrespective of the Utd affiliations of those sacked. Sometimes you don’t know what you have got ‘til it’s gone. Were you one of the ‘bored’ last season? And its Hagan not Hagen.

 

[Ndiayewillalwaysloveyou]

Edwards and Mason started well but we preferred Selles

 

[Pintor75]

A backwards step for the owners and their idea of building a team/club that is established in the premiership, going back to a manager who walked once and was sacked once and nobody else is interested in employing, I hope this is a short term plan if he comes back and as much as he isn't my choice I obviously hope whoever is in charge can help us climb the table still over 120 points available

 

[GymClassHero]

A backwards step for the owners and their idea of building a team/club that is established in the premiership, going back to a manager who walked once and was sacked once and nobody else is interested in employing, I hope this is a short term plan if he comes back and as much as he isn't my choice I obviously hope whoever is in charge can help us climb the table still over 120 points available

Plenty have shown interest. Rangers being one

 

[Deadly_D'Jaffo]

Selles was/is a decent guy with a high IQ of football coaching.

What he didn't/doesn't have is the leadership experience to thrive at a slapdash football club.

Sheffield United Football Club is not a nurturing environment for any Football Manager. It's slapdash chaos owing to a deluded boardroom who think they can achieve promotion on the cheap.
We've tried to do the 'progressive football club' thing with bargain bin A.I recruitment, inferior loan signings and the Teemu version of Guardiola to oversee it all.
It would appear that COH/Bettis have a lack of self awareness, coupled with arrogance, in that they think they can do something no other club has ever done. The reality is we've wasted good money on paying off staff, panic signings & loans players that'll never be good enough (Bindon, Barry).

The only Manager strong & experienced enough to thrive in this haphazard environment is Chris Wilder. He's proven & passionate enough to make success happen without any support. So when you have a good 'make do & mend' manager with a board that don't want to invest any serious time or money then Wilder is about the best we can hope for. It's an imperfect, functional relationship.

 

[FlamingLip]

Biggest annoyances for me: 1. Fans will remain divided (the butt hurt and gleeful have vice versa'd) 2. What the fckin fck is the owners' strategy if Wilder returns?

I didn't want Wilder to go, but could understand the desire for a new horizon. It now appears ChatGPT has returned the answer: " sorry cocker, bollocked it up dint a. best gerrimback"

 

[Moan? Nope-I saw Longhorn]

Looking back on when we first met
I cannot escape and I cannot forget
Selles lost the plot
Lost six on the trot
Wilders coming home again
-

FFS
Life is shite enough at present without some twat quoting Atomic fucking Kitten !
Id never heard of (or even heard) afore your post - thanks a fucking bundle - I now know what motivated Van Gogh & I feel the need to go one better - ears who needs ‘em?

 

[Kenilworth]

Fully agree. Although the team amassed 92 points last season, most of the performances would have you searching for the beta blockers while we hung on for most of a game with a one goal lead.
Alternatively, the style of play would send a glass eye to sleep. Passing along the back four for a few minutes then back to the goalkeeper, no flair, no pace, hardly any shots on goal when the opportunity arose. It was fucking boring most of the time but hey ho, lets welcome Wilder to walk back into the club weaving his own brand of magic.
You couldn't make this shit up.

Beggars belief how people rewrite history or conveniently forget the rebuild that had to happen last season, yet we still managed to get 92 points. Of course it had to be a case of building from the back with a solid defence (that faltered once Souttar got that awful injury) considering how dreadful the defence had been in the Prem the year before. 19 players left in the previous close season. That fact seems to be erased from history.
No one seems to understand that this season would have been a build on the previous season yet appear to give Selles a free pass as if he “wasn’t backed.”

Selles was a complete disaster. The wrong appointment and out of his depth from day one. An uninspiring track record and someone that should never have been anywhere near this job.

A zero percent win rate is a phenomenal badge to earn.

 

[deplorable]

FFS
Life is shite enough at present without some twat quoting Atomic fucking Kitten !
Id never heard of (or even heard) afore your post - thanks a fucking bundle - I now know what motivated Van Gogh & I feel the need to go one better - ears who needs ‘em?

Wilders coming home again, Wilders coming home again, Wilders coming home again, Wilders coming home again, Wilders coming home again, fu@@ me the record is stuck!

Who wrote these lyrics anyway???

 

[silentspinner13]

Getting wilder back is a good choice in the circumstances.

But are we just reverting back to him now everytime it doesn't go right?

Probably a reason its not worked out for him elsewhere and probably a reason we haven't kicked on to teams like Villa and Forest who we were on par with a few yesrs ago.

Want to be successful sustainable PL team, we ain't no where near that while we cant buy into change.

That includes the piss poor performance of the players aswell who will no doubt put in a remarkable performance on Saturday.

We will be absolutely fine, but we are never going to succeed at a high level when we keep going back to our safe zone.

 

[Kenilworth]

Getting wilder back is a good choice in the circumstances.

But are we just reverting back to him now everytime it doesn't go right?

Probably a reason its not worked out for him elsewhere and probably a reason we haven't kicked on to teams like Villa and Forest who we were on par with a few yesrs ago.

Want to be successful sustainable PL team, we ain't no where near that while we cant buy into change.

That includes the piss poor performance of the players aswell who will no doubt put in a remarkable performance on Saturday.

We will be absolutely fine, but we are never going to succeed at a high level when we keep going back to our safe zone.

Got absolutely nowt to do with a resistance to change. Have you really thought about the difference in the money that Villa spent and that Forest spent compared to the pittance we have had to manage on? I mean really thought?

The sort of seismic change needed to have anywhere near the same infrastructure as those two clubs have is miles away from where we are now. They should begin with Cat 1 as an achievable first goal and then begin to build from there. It’s a long term project. How can anyone believe that bringing in a coach like Selles would make a significant difference and be the agent of change? That never made any sense to me. They have a hell of a lot of work to do behind the scenes before they can even begin to start a revolution that comes close to Villa and Forest.

 

[Andy67]

So this, some players have really shown their true identities, and that's as much on them as it is Selles. Players don't just suddenly loose all footballing brain without some form of poor mental attitude.

Sack wilder to move forward - agreed with. His style last season was not enjoyable to watch, and some will disagree but football to me is entertainment, not just points.

Appointing Selles - said at the time it was a gamble, but it will always be a gamble, no manager is guaranteed success. Let's hope the next appointment works for us because the Selles gamble clearly hasn't paid off.

Regardless of appointment I hope we can unite behind the new manager and not have the repetitive "I told you so" point scoring.

Have you ever thought that the playing staff thought that what the coaches were saying and implementing was absolute garbage.

 

[Revolution]

I know the counter-arguments about the points tally, but I don't really care. Nowadays, I have an expectation that in going to a football match, I will be entertained. Considering the level of time and monetary investment that is required to attend a match, I should be able to leave at full time, content that it was a smart decision. And last season, the football we played, was some of the least entertaining I've seen from a Blades side in many, many years. And I expect we're going to end up seeing more of the same.

I want to have a team that I am proud of. That I'd happily fork out cash, week after week to go and watch in the flesh. There's no disputing that Selles failed to deliver that, but the concern for me now he's gone, is that the next man through the door will fail to generate that feeling in me as well.

Meanwhile, back in a world where there are consequences for ineptitude, the likely relegation to League One has been averted.

Seriously, if you want to be entertained by the football every week, the PL is the football to watch. The PL has outstanding players, playing good stuff, in teams that hardly ever lose. Anything else is an inferior "product". Go and watch that and you will get your wish. Or watch Barcelona or something.

It's not just Sheffield United - which championship clubs guarantee you entertainment every single game? This is a pipe dream. You are holding the club, and the players, to a standard that is rarely, if ever, achieved in this division.

And here we go again. Last season was the least entertaining for many years. Well, no. The season before we won 3 of 38 games and conceded more goals than any team in the top flight in 60 years. Didn't see much entertainment to be had there. People who make this silly comment (and there are many) have very short memories.

Personally, I find wins entertaining. They are certainly a lot more entertaining that what the Poor Man's Russell Martin served up this season.

 

[PrestwichBlade]

Beggars belief how people rewrite history or conveniently forget the rebuild that had to happen last season, yet we still managed to get 92 points. Of course it had to be a case of building from the back with a solid defence (that faltered once Souttar got that awful injury) considering how dreadful the defence had been in the Prem the year before. 19 players left in the previous close season. That fact seems to be erased from history.
No one seems to understand that this season would have been a build on the previous season yet appear to give Selles a free pass as if he “wasn’t backed.”

Selles was a complete disaster. The wrong appointment and out of his depth from day one. An uninspiring track record and someone that should never have been anywhere near this job.

A zero percent win rate is a phenomenal badge to earn.

I don't think anyone's disappointed Sellés has gone mate...

 

[Edgar Allan Poo]

 

[ThroughThinAndThinner]

Have you ever thought that the playing staff thought that what the coaches were saying and implementing was absolute garbage.

So just gave up? Not the attitude I'd expect from professional sportsmen

 

[Flumps]

I wanted Selles to do well.
If Widz is back then I want him to do well too.

I'm doing this all wrong aren't I?

It's entirely fair to disagree with the decisions of the club etc with appointees and the like but I never want them to fail.

I think Selles just wasn't right, I'd have loved for him to have brought good results but that's history now. I love Wilder but I think re appointment isn't the best idea however if he's back again, I want him to shine.

Can understand people seem to like him or dislike him, think there's plenty of justifiable questions and concerns around him being back but I'd never want him to fail.

 

[Kenilworth]

I don't think anyone's disappointed Sellés has gone mate...

Not the point I made, though, Presters

The main gripes I’ve observed about last season are:
1. the turgid football that was less than entertaining

2. The scraping of 1-0 wins - by getting a goal in front and grinding out a victory

3. The fact we ran out of steam on 60 mins and weren’t capable of addressing that with any tactical changes or substitutions.

4. We were ahead of Leeds and Burnley and then screwed it up in the final weeks.

All these in the backdrop of

1. A disastrous and soul destroying season in the Prem that would have sapped the confidence of anyone.

2. 19 players leaving, many of whom had been absolute stalwarts for the club during the previous 6 years

3. Trying to rebuild a competitive squad without a huge pot to do so - adding key players in key positions. Cooper, Campbell, Souttar, Burrows, COH, Gilchrist, JRS - plus retaining Hamer and Souza (what a decent window that was compared to the shite (Tanga aside) we’ve had this one).

4. Doing 3. In time for the season kick off.

5. George Baldock’s tragic death and the effect on the club.

6. Arblaster ACL - losing your captain and brighter prospect in November.

7. Losing Harry Souttar on New Year’s Day - an absolute defensive rock for us.

8. Beginning the season with a -2 points penalty

9. Competing (which we did) with Leeds and Burnley, who both accumulated 100 points each an and had squads worth far more than ours.


And we also did the steel city double, last season, again.

 

[Millhousesblade1889]

The one thing I’m not sure on is whether we saw the true style that Selles wanted to play or whether he attempted to play all out attacking football but didn’t know how to.

My reasoning for this is at Reading his ‘philosophy’ was -

Players described it as a “counter-press” style that created “chaos” for the opposition, relying on relentless energy from the front line and midfield to suffocate attacks

The focus was on vertical passing—quick, direct balls forward to exploit spaces—rather than patient build-up.

But at United it was all patient build up, slow movement of the ball. Way too many passes & no shots.

Hull - he prioritised organised defensive strength over attacking risk. However at united it was unorganised football and terrible defending despite having better players.

So did Selles try and play a style of football that he just didn’t really have any understanding of in order to please fans/ owners/ players etc?

Either way I’m glad he’s gone

 

[Kenilworth]

Meanwhile, back in a world where there are consequences for ineptitude, the likely relegation to League One has been averted.

Seriously, if you want to be entertained by the football every week, the PL is the football to watch. The PL has outstanding players, playing good stuff, in teams that hardly ever lose. Anything else is an inferior "product". Go and watch that and you will get your wish. Or watch Barcelona or something.

It's not just Sheffield United - which championship clubs guarantee you entertainment every single game? This is a pipe dream. You are holding the club, and the players, to a standard that is rarely, if ever, achieved in this division.

And here we go again. Last season was the least entertaining for many years. Well, no. The season before we won 3 of 38 games and conceded more goals than any team in the top flight in 60 years. Didn't see much entertainment to be had there. People who make this silly comment (and there are many) have very short memories.

Personally, I find wins entertaining. They are certainly a lot more entertaining that what the Poor Man's Russell Martin served up this season.

This. 100 % this Revolution
Absolutely spot on.
You support the Blades for reasons other than “football entertainment”

And I’d argue further, the entertainment we have had over the last 10 years (two Prem seasons apart) has been streets ahead of the 10 years prior to that.

 

[Lord Eddard Muir]

Looking back on when we first met
I cannot escape and I cannot forget
Selles lost the plot
Lost six on the trot
Wilders coming home again
-

Outstanding work.

 

[Dkc]

Hes not coming back

Sure about that?

 

[Dkc]

Wilders not coming back

OK

 

[mattbianco1]

Wilder.
Hecky
Slav
Hecky
Wilder

Well technically, those above were the visions of the previous owner

Selles
Wilder

It as an absolute fucking joke.
If this is the vision of the owners, I hope it all goes tits up for them.
The sheer thought of wilder coming back is making me feel physically sick !

 

[Andy67]

So just gave up? Not the attitude I'd expect from professional sportsmen

I don’t think your definition of sportsmen giving up and not being professional is an indictment against players who were being coached by incompetents. You do what they tell you to do but if you are asked to do stuff that doesn’t work and you are far more experienced then them then it ends in conflict. With Wilder and Knill including Lester the coaching experience was huge hundreds of games including experience of promotions, international coaching experience Knill and Lester as well as being ex players. I can relate it to schools, the quality of schools depend on how good the leadership teams are, when the leadership team aren’t performing professional teachers can’t be hoodwinked. The leadership team start to clutch at straws, (Friday’s bench) staff don’t down tools but they become less organised because of mixed messages etc. We will see the difference under Wilder but it doesn’t mean the players have now decided to try, it means the manager as a clue. Blame the board for the stupid appointment, not Selles for not being any good, Selles needs lots of experience at lower levels before he gets an opportunity in the championship again.

 

[mattbianco1]

It's OK giving Wilder a free reign in the short term to get us out of this hole but what about when we want to progress higher than a yo yo team? We can't have one man running everything he will burn out in no time like I think he did at the end of last season. We have to modernise the club we can't live in a world 30 years in the past we need people above Wilder who know what they are doing look at today's successful clubs they change team manager but keep on being successful the change is seamless rather than our version of chaos.

Totally agree and was the reason why I wasn't too bothered that we let Wilder go after the Play Offs. We need to move on medium/long-term. Unfortunately our fans are too impatient to let the overhaul process run it's course. Same happened with Slav.

Wilder will get us firing again, but he'll never sustain us as a top fight club

 

[Revolution]

Totally agree and was the reason why I wasn't too bothered that we let Wilder go after the Play Offs. We need to move on medium/long-term. Unfortunately our fans are too impatient to let the overhaul process run it's course. Same happened with Slav.

Wilder will get us firing again, but he'll never sustain us as a top fight club

Wow.

How long were you prepared to give Selles?

The second point may well be true, but is irrelevant at present.