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[Darren]

That's true, but I do think the landscape changed during his time in prison. "Twitterstorms" were nowhere near as powerful 3 years ago and getting support for a cause and global exposure wasn't as easy as it is now, and feminism seemed to move up a gear certainly from a pop-culture point of view (I can't imagine Robin Thicke would have such an easy ride releasing his single today). It's our board's failure to gauge the magnitude of what they were up against that I think caused the problems.

Indeed, but my point was that in the 2-3 months before his release in October 2014, they had a pretty good idea what they were up against. I agree that the amgnitude of it surprised everyone, but it was, in my view, pretty clear pre release that the cons outweighed the pros in terms of re-signing him.

 

[TonyAgana]

Indeed, but my point was that in the 2-3 months before his release in October 2014, they had a pretty good idea what they were up against. I agree that the amgnitude of it surprised everyone, but it was, in my view, pretty clear pre release that the cons outweighed the pros in terms of re-signing him.

With that in mind, do you think that would go some way as to explain why we haven't heard from McCabe since? The language and logic made me think at the time, and still now, that McCabe had made a promise to Evans and his family that there'd be a contract for him on his release and the new board had an obligation to uphold it in some capacity.

 

[JasonEllis]

The question was asked as if there is only one possible answer and that anything else was obviously madness. The businessmen at Bramall Lane think they need someone holding this position. It's rather up to you to explain why they don't. Which I've yet to see, by the way.

I apologise for not setting out my own argument more clearly, see posts by D and BP which tally well with my thoughts on this matter.

I think the argument that the businessmen at bramall lane think they need someone holding this position presupposes that they are correct in this thought. I would say they weren't for the reasons stated by D and BP above.

That said, what do I know

 

[Darren]

With that in mind, do you think that would go some way as to explain why we haven't heard from McCabe since? The language and logic made me think at the time, and still now, that McCabe had made a promise to Evans and his family that there'd be a contract for him on his release and the new board had an obligation to uphold it in some capacity.

Didn't the father in law say just that in a story that was in one of the papers a while back?

I think it is pretty clear that some promise was made to Evans. Unless it was a properly constituted Board decision though, I don't think any such promise would be legally binding on SUFC.

 

[TonyAgana]

Didn't the father in law say just that in a story that was in one of the papers a while back?

I think it is pretty clear that some promise was made to Evans. Unless it was a properly constituted Board decision though, I don't think any such promise would be legally binding on SUFC.

Ah, maybe - it was certainly a conclusion I drew.

Well that's kind of my point, albeit not "legally binding" the new board had a certain obligation to McCabe. It may well have been noted in the "£1" purchase. All I'm saying is I still have faith in their decision-making, especially if "the Evans affair" can be largely attributed to when McCabe was very much in charge.

 

[pommpey]

The question was asked as if there is only one possible answer and that anything else was obviously madness. The businessmen at Bramall Lane think they need someone holding this position. It's rather up to you to explain why they don't. Which I've yet to see, by the way.

No. Let's take this out of the decision-making path of 'the businessmen at Bramall Lane' whom we have seen in the past have had billy-bollocks to do with the betterment of our club since it span out of the Premier League a few seasons ago. If they were that benevolent, we'd be back in the PL right now.

I want to know what you think justifies having some wage earner jetting about Europe Mr Fixing sponsorship deals for an underperforming third division club. I want to know what you think as a club contributor (your wage, your tickets) justifies sionce Novemebr as a tagible return on expenses, or do you think this bloke is simply tossing it off, because them great businessment have found him a job and us supporters should just shut the fuck up when we ask 'why'?

Also, if you can, can you justify having me at the club as UK Internet Critical Supporter Matchplay Adviser, paying my expenses to fly (in some cases at my convenience) to home and away matches to offer a persepctive from the supporter in the stand, gathering crowd feedback and opinion, looking at opportunities to interact with fans and generate discussion on an internet forum. I wouldn't ask much - £120k per year plus expenses, a match bonus, discount on club merchandise, executive perks etc.

Could you show me, over one season, what my all-up benefit for the club would be? or would you say my 'package' (ooh-err, missus) would be better spent on players?

pommpey

 

[TarquinDelouche]

No. Let's take this out of the decision-making path of 'the businessmen at Bramall Lane' whom we have seen in the past have had billy-bollocks to do with the betterm...

I stopped right there for three reasons:

1) The businessmen at Bramall Lane are the ones who make the decisions, and thank Christ because:
2) It's their investment at stake and:
3) If it were up to the fans, we'd have sacked the manager four times this season.

From what I can see, the only justification people have for wanting to sack Mr Baki is "I don't understand his role at the club".

 

[Bladepicker]

I stopped right there for three reasons:

1) The businessmen at Bramall Lane are the ones who make the decisions, and thank Christ because:
2) It's their investment at stake and:
3) If it were up to the fans, we'd have sacked the manager four times this season.

From what I can see, the only justification people have for wanting to sack Mr Baki is "I don't understand his role at the club".

Er no, I understand his role as it was explained at the time by the club's press release.

However, as myself, pommpey and Darren have pointed out we would question the merit of such a role given the fact we are a third division football club that few people give a monkey's about outside of South Yorkshire let alone the rest of the world.

And it's not about wanting him sacked, it's about pooling resources in a more productive way given our circumstance. That could still be Sela.

 

[stringjunior]

Yes, on the face of it it appears it might be a frivolous waste of money for a 3rd tier club to have somebody in this position. However do we recruit somebody once we have get promoted to then find ourselves a step behind the competition, or do we get Baki on it now talking up the Blades' prospects so we're already in the game come promotion? Do we even know how much of his time is spent on this part of his role, or how much he earns from it? And what if none of the footballing budget is effected by his salary? We just don't know.

 

[pommpey]

From what I can see, the only justification people have for wanting to sack Mr Baki is "I don't understand his role at the club".

Absolutely not. What a ridiculous assumption.

Lets look at his Job Description. Let's look at what that JD generates for the club. Finally (and you haven't answered this yet - and it is something I mentioned some time ago on the subject of this bloke) let's look at the deliverables. Can you illustrate to us exactly what he has done for Shefffield United since November in this obviously critically essential role? Secondly, were he not doing the job, do you think Sheffield United would still be in the League position they are, right now? I ask this, because although I am possibly not as business-savvy as soem of these businessmen you mention, I possess some measure of common sense and in my dealings in business, any expenditure has to have a needs based cost analysis based upon benefits, setbacks, challenges, requirements and deliverables.

If you find anything that moves his position into a plus-figures stature, then I'd like you to draw up the business case and send it to McCabe for my job, please.

Hurry up. I'm bored teaching Gas Turbine technology here.

pommpey

 

[raul]

I'm uninterested in his Bladey Bladey Bladeness. I'm uninterested in his background and reason for being here. I'm very interested in his performance and results. His remit is in the public domain so let's just let him crack on judge him by his results.

 

[Darren]

Absolutely not. What a ridiculous assumption.

Lets look at his Job Description. Let's look at what that JD generates for the club. Finally (and you haven't answered this yet - and it is something I mentioned some time ago on the subject of this bloke) let's look at the deliverables. Can you illustrate to us exactly what he has done for Shefffield United since November in this obviously critically essential role? Secondly, were he not doing the job, do you think Sheffield United would still be in the League position they are, right now? I ask this, because although I am possibly not as business-savvy as soem of these businessmen you mention, I possess some measure of common sense and in my dealings in business, any expenditure has to have a needs based cost analysis based upon benefits, setbacks, challenges, requirements and deliverables.

If you find anything that moves his position into a plus-figures stature, then I'd like you to draw up the business case and send it to McCabe for my job, please.

Hurry up. I'm bored teaching Gas Turbine technology here.

pommpey

I would only add that being a succesful business person does not make one immune to delusions of grandeur: cf United building a "world brand" in China, Hungary and so on as the actually existing English football team slid down the divisions.

Mr Baki may have many fine qualities and may be able to do a job for the club. I think what you, I and other people are saying is that him jetting off seeming "global opportunities" would not appear to be the best use of his talents.

 

[William Henry Foulkes]

A lot of this is based on a Wikipedia article. Are we justified in drawing any firm conclusions?

 

[pommpey]

I'm uninterested in his Bladey Bladey Bladeness. I'm uninterested in his background and reason for being here. I'm very interested in his performance and results. His remit is in the public domain so let's just let him crack on judge him by his results.

Which are ... ?

Don't get me wrong, Raul. I am just asking.

Anyone? Bueller?

pommpey

 

[Rodley]

We've signed 20 players this season. The board are doing their bit. Why are we pissing in the wind about Baki, who by all accounts understands football and is part of an administration which is clearly, in the context of L1, giving our manager significant resources to play with.

If we'd signed one emergency loan all season, I'd think it worth wasting hot air on this. Surely bigger fish to fry?

 

[Rodley]

Which are ... ?

Don't get me wrong, Raul. I am just asking.

Anyone? Bueller?

pommpey

We've signed 20 players.

 

[wizadry]

Which are ... ?

Don't get me wrong, Raul. I am just asking.

Anyone? Bueller?

pommpey

I think it's quite clear pommps, he's building our hooligan element all over europe so when we play Fenerbahce away in a pre season friendly we don't get the fuck kicked out of us and we can deal with all the pyro party brigade, that's all i can think of anyway

 

[Darren]

According to this, he's supposed to "bring in international sponsorship" and "identify international talent"

http://www.sufc.co.uk/news/article/20141110-selahattin-baki-2076010.aspx

I suppose you could say he has only had 4 months to do that so the absolutely zero result on those fronts should not be held against him just yet. However you would have thought (like bladepicker said), it seems a bit strange jetting off round the world to find sponsors when their reaction to "hey why not sponsor Sheffield United" is likely to be "who?"

 

[robbiez666]

We are a league one side, is it really worth wasting time working on "utilise global contacts, assist in identifying overseas football talent opportunities and to bring in international sponsorships for the attention of the Club's management"?

We've been wasting money on this for years. Admittedly, we may now look outside of countries where KM has business interests.

 

[William Henry Foulkes]

Getting a foothold in China when we did was probably, in theory, a very good idea. I can't say the benefits have been obvious though. A wasted opportunity?

 

[robbiez666]

Getting a foothold in China when we did was probably, in theory, a very good idea. I can't say the benefits have been obvious though. A wasted opportunity?

Not wasted by everyone

http://www.scarboroughgroup.com/international/far-east/#real-estate

 

[pommpey]

We've signed 20 players.

What? Because of him? Wow. He clearly is connected.

Seriously. Are you guys honestly happy the club we support is paying the wages of a bloke whose demonstrable output is, and will be 'zero'? I mean, it was bad enough with fucking Higdon.

pommpey

 

[Rodley]

What? Because of him? Wow. He clearly is connected.

Seriously. Are you guys honestly happy the club we support is paying the wages of a bloke whose demonstrable output is, and will be 'zero'? I mean, it was bad enough with fucking Higdon.

pommpey

I imagine he will have played a part of it as one of the senior management team. He seemed fairly involved in the process given his twitter feed. But I defer to your greater knowledge, presumably gleaned from Wikipedia.

I don't know his wages as I'm not privy to that information, nor, beyond Wikipedia and a couple of lines on the SUFC website, have much of an understanding of his genuine role, responsibility or influence he wields at board level at Bramall Lane.

I do though think, of all the recent board members of the last 20-25 years, that he's made a reasonable and decent attempt to actually engage with the SUFC support. Not just on twitter but in person and he seems well liked by the people who have come across him.

Again I'm not sure this is a big issue, or really an important issue currently. Can you explain why it is? Beyond expressing a lack of any understanding of what he actually does - I already have that and I'm relatively comfortable with it.

 

[pommpey]

I imagine he will have played a part of it as one of the senior management team. He seemed fairly involved in the process given his twitter feed. But I defer to your greater knowledge, presumably gleaned from Wikipedia.

I don't know his wages as I'm not privy to that information, nor, beyond Wikipedia and a couple of lines on the SUFC website, have much of an understanding of his genuine role, responsibility or influence he wields at board level at Bramall Lane.

I do though think, of all the recent board members of the last 20-25 years, that he's made a reasonable and decent attempt to actually engage with the SUFC support. Not just on twitter but in person and he seems well liked by the people who have come across him.

Again I'm not sure this is a big issue, or really an important issue currently. Can you explain why it is? Beyond expressing a lack of any understanding of what he actually does - I already have that and I'm relatively comfortable with it.

It's a big issue because of this:

Sheffield United with this bloke = fifth in Division One

Sheffield United without this bloke = fifth in Division One

If you can produce any evidence he has improved our league position, aside from speculative assumption he has been somehow involved in some or other of the 'business' of the club, transfers especially, your statements about his worth are ... well, meaningless.

I don't give one fat fuck about people who engage with fans on Twitter. It moves our club not one sparrows fart nearer our objective and if that bellend McCabe thinks we need another mouthpiece conduit through which to pedal his lies and deceit about the enduring desperate situation in the club and someone to pour oil on the water and keep the irate fans out of the car park then he is wrong. This bloke has some mythical role with a made up jobname with still no mentioned deliverables that cynics like me can acknowledge or embrace as viable and contributory to us getting out of this division. And it seems he has you firmly hooked, slowly drawing you in to the landing net. You can't accept a situation is viable, just because the grown ups say it is so. If that were the case, we'd never know what electricity was, we'd still think the sun went round the earth and we'd still think the Pigs were massive.

Either come up with evidence - show us the working out - or acknowledge he is simply an expensive boardroom appendix and as useless as much use as tits on a snake.

pommpey

 

[Rodley]

It's a big issue because of this:

Sheffield United with this bloke = fifth in Division One

Sheffield United without this bloke = fifth in Division One

If you can produce any evidence he has improved our league position, aside from speculative assumption he has been somehow involved in some or other of the 'business' of the club, transfers especially, your statements about his worth are ... well, meaningless.

I don't give one fat fuck about people who engage with fans on Twitter. It moves our club not one sparrows fart nearer our objective and if that bellend McCabe thinks we need another mouthpiece conduit through which to pedal his lies and deceit about the enduring desperate situation in the club and someone to pour oil on the water and keep the irate fans out of the car park then he is wrong. This bloke has some mythical role with a made up jobname with still no mentioned deliverables that cynics like me can acknowledge or embrace as viable and contributory to us getting out of this division. And it seems he has you firmly hooked, slowly drawing you in to the landing net. You can't accept a situation is viable, just because the grown ups say it is so. If that were the case, we'd never know what electricity was, we'd still think the sun went round the earth and we'd still think the Pigs were massive.

Either come up with evidence - show us the working out - or acknowledge he is simply an expensive boardroom appendix and as useless as much use as tits on a snake.

pommpey

Evidence of what? I don't know anything about what he does or doesn't, hence I can't really assess his impact. That's my point, neither of us have any evidence. Unless you do?

 

[Pedro Verde]

At the end of the day he is also an advisor to the Prince so the Prince probably pays his most of his wage he probably also has other business interests I would hardly think that the Blades are paying him thousands of pounds a week and that he will be full time in his role at BDTBL

 

[Rodley]

At the end of the day he is also an advisor to the Prince so the Prince probably pays his most of his wage he probably also has other business interests I would hardly think that the Blades are paying him thousands of pounds a week and that he will be full time in his role at BDTBL

It's a non-issue.

 

[Bladesman]

 

[pommpey]

Evidence of what? I don't know anything about what he does or doesn't, hence I can't really assess his impact. That's my point, neither of us have any evidence. Unless you do?

So, McCabe makes an announcement that he takes Baki on as this madeupjobname.

Because we don't know exactly what the madeupjob is, but we assume the club is paying his wages and expenses we all simply acquiesce at this.

There is no evidence whatsoever of his value to the club, save for his utterances on Twitter, which apparently impresses the shite out of some fans.

Fuck this. I am writing to McCabe to get Foxy and Lindz in as Club Outreach Multimedia Executives (£100k pa plus attractive bens plus car). I am asking to get Deadbat in as Club Online Match Report Manager (£65k pa plus free match pass and all the multimedia stuff he needs plus travel expenses and hotels), Brownie as Matchday Talismanic Bowel Movement Timekeeper (£80k pa plus meal expense pass at any London Road Bengali Curry House plus car and hotels) and Darren on a match by match extra legal advice executive 'just in case'.

Do you think this will push the team on the pitch in a new, upward direction? If McCabe said tomorrow he was making those appointments, would you unquestionably accept his decision? If, after three months we were still being sausaged by former Thackeays Fishing Tackle League hopefuls at BDTBL would you think 'what the fuck exactly do these cunts do?' whilst blaming Clough and looking at the array of excuses offered? What if McCabe offered me a job as Director of Fuck All? Would that convince you?

McCabe = having a laugh.

pommpey

 

[Pedro Verde]

So, McCabe makes an announcement that he takes Baki on as this madeupjobname.

Because we don't know exactly what the madeupjob is, but we assume the club is paying his wages and expenses we all simply acquiesce at this.

There is no evidence whatsoever of his value to the club, save for his utterances on Twitter, which apparently impresses the shite out of some fans.

Fuck this. I am writing to McCabe to get Foxy and Lindz in as Club Outreach Multimedia Executives (£100k pa plus attractive bens plus car). I am asking to get Deadbat in as Club Online Match Report Manager (£65k pa plus free match pass and all the multimedia stuff he needs plus travel expenses and hotels), Brownie as Matchday Talismanic Bowel Movement Timekeeper (£80k pa plus meal expense pass at any London Road Bengali Curry House plus car and hotels) and Darren on a match by match extra legal advice executive 'just in case'.

Do you think this will push the team on the pitch in a new, upward direction? If McCabe said tomorrow he was making those appointments, would you unquestionably accept his decision? If, after three months we were still being sausaged by former Thackeays Fishing Tackle League hopefuls at BDTBL would you think 'what the fuck exactly do these cunts do?' whilst blaming Clough and looking at the array of excuses offered? What if McCabe offered me a job as Director of Fuck All? Would that convince you?

McCabe = having a laugh.

pommpey

You do sometimes post crap