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[Bladesman]

 

[William Henry Foulkes]

It's a big issue because of this:
Sheffield United with this bloke = fifth in Division One
Sheffield United without this bloke = fifth in Division One

Aka Division 3

If you can produce any evidence he has improved our league position, aside from speculative assumption he has been somehow involved in some or other of the 'business' of the club

1) This wouldn't be evidence, it would be speculation.
2) He's been in post for a few months, what if his impact is intended to be long term? Should he have produced "results" by now? If he hasn't then is he worthless?

your statements about his worth are ... well, meaningless.

Without evidence either way then aren't statements of his worth meaningless? Isn't it just as meaningless to assert he is worthless*.

I don't give one fat fuck about people who engage with fans on Twitter. It moves our club not one sparrows fart nearer our objective

I can't see that the medium is particularly relevant, the significant point here is that he is communicating with the fans. This, to me, does move the club forwards in that it makes it at least apparently more open. Sunlight is the best disinfectant and all that. I'm glad that he takes time to talk to fans. Are we moving forward to some kind of democratic fan ownership model? Unlikely, but it feels like progress that lines of communication are open.

Does this shut the gap at Turner's near post? No. Does it have other longer-term touchy-feely benefits. I like to think so.

if that bellend McCabe thinks we need another mouthpiece conduit through which to pedal his lies and deceit about the enduring desperate situation in the club and someone to pour oil on the water and keep the irate fans out of the car park then he is wrong.

This is just a Straw Man. So is this:

This bloke has some mythical role with a made up jobname

The role is defined on the official site, isn't it? Therefore it is not mythical. And all job titles or job names are made up by someone, aren't they?

...

Mr Baki comes across as a genuine bloke with a real passion for football and for the club. He doesn't get paid for the work he does, whatever it is. He might sneak away in the night with the gate receipts and then I'll have to pretend someone hacked my account and I knew all along he was a crook.

Till then I'm really glad he and Jim Phipps are part of our club.

UTB


*FWIW talking in these terms seems wrong - like talking about someone behind their back.

 

[pommpey]

He's a volunteer! What on earth does it matter? It seems to me like you've got the tiger by the tail with this, you just don't want to let go and even if he wrote to you directly with his objectives and deliverables I don't think you'd be happy. All you're left with is that you have a right to know what he's up to the same as you have a right to know what the tea lady is up to. She makes tea. Now sleep well!

Yes. The tea lady's output is possibly measurable. Would you agree with that?

Amazing.

pommpey

 

[Bladesman]

 

[Pedro Verde]

Or they can ignore my comments.

That would be a very good idea as you rarely have anything constructive to say about anything at BDTBL

 

[TonyAgana]

Yes. The tea lady's output is possibly measurable. Would you agree with that?

Amazing.

pommpey

I've not tasted her tea.

 

[Bladepicker]

Why has Jimbo gone all Eric Cantona on us?

 

[pommpey]

That would be a very good idea as you rarely have anything constructive to say about anything at BDTBL

Once again, 'to the man'.

I am talking about Baki, here and his role at the club and his output. Let's talk about this subject, not what your opinion is of me. We have plenty of opportunity to slag each other off, unless you fancy switching the subject here to that to cover your lack of evidence on the subject?

pommpey

 

[TonyAgana]

Why has Jimbo gone all Eric Cantona on us?

He's karate kicked someone in the face? That I'd love to see.

 

[William Henry Foulkes]

Why has Jimbo gone all Eric Cantona on us?

You're equating Eric Cantona with William Shakespeare. Have you no decency?

 

[TonyAgana]

Once again, 'to the man'.

I am talking about Baki, here and his role at the club and his output. Let's talk about this subject, not what your opinion is of me. We have plenty of opportunity to slag each other off, unless you fancy switching the subject here to that to cover your lack of evidence on the subject?

pommpey

The point is "why?". You thought he was robbing a wage. He isn't. Now you can't let it go.

 

[William Henry Foulkes]

He's karate kicked someone in the face? That I'd love to see.

I think he's talking about trawlers. The Fleetwood game has affected us all more deeply than we realise.

 

[blade.i.am]

I'll have a pint of what Jim's drinking

 

[blade.i.am]

Looking a t Mr Baki's early life could be useful down at Millwall next season

 

[Rodley]

I think he's talking about trawlers. The Fleetwood game has affected us all more deeply than we realise.

Where's yer evidence?

 

[William Henry Foulkes]

Where's yer evidence?

I haven't got any. I'm all at sea.

 

[Pedro Verde]

Once again, 'to the man'.

I am talking about Baki, here and his role at the club and his output. Let's talk about this subject, not what your opinion is of me. We have plenty of opportunity to slag each other off, unless you fancy switching the subject here to that to cover your lack of evidence on the subject?

pommpey

What eveidence do you have that Mr Baki is not fulfilling his role at the club, deals sponsorships etc take time to come to fruition it will be a long term project
He will hardly be working on it full time as he probably has plenty of irons in the fire (other business interests and work for the Prince in other areas) Neither of us have any evidence of anything its all conjecture

 

[pommpey]

Why has Jimbo gone all Eric Cantona on us?

"After all, all he did, was string together a load of old, well-known quotations"

HL Mencken 1880-1956 (on Shakespeare)

 

[William Henry Foulkes]

There's a website http://www.fleetwood-trawlers.info/

 

[pommpey]

The point is "why?". You thought he was robbing a wage. He isn't. Now you can't let it go.

Because he says so?

Okay. Lets move on. Nothing to see here. Move along, people.

pommpey

 

[Foxy]

Soooo, as I'm late to the party, essentially what we have is someone calling out an SUFC board member, suggesting that they aren't doing their job (despite not knowing properly what it is), moaning that the job exists (again, not knowing properly what it is) and moaning about them getting paid (despite them not being paid by SUFC)?

Having found out they don't actually get paid by SUFC, it's still that persons fault we lost to Fleetwood and that we haven't secured automatic promotion and we still want someone to justify that they are actually doing their job?

Seems a little unfair to me that one?

I'm all for constructive criticism, feedback and questioning on anything to do with SUFC, but this strays into the realms of getting personal and taking out footballing frustrations on an individual for the sake of it - certainly in the way in which the posts are written.

If you want to know more about Selahattin's role at SUFC and the way things work, but don't want to find out off your own back, I'm more than willing to ask for peoples time and co-operation in explaining what they can to you about the way SUFC work.

However, I don't think a person should have to justify their position to you just because you decide to take a pop at them online. Nor am I willing to go out of my way to request that kind of co-operation when people choose simply to abuse or accuse individuals unfairly.

 

[wizadry]

Because he says so?

Okay. Lets move on. Nothing to see here. Move along, people.

pommpey

Tbf pommps i don't think anyone on here really has a clue either way as to what the crack is with Sel Baki, i think it's a wait and see scenario to be perfectly honest.

 

[Rodley]

Soooo, as I'm late to the party, essentially what we have is someone calling out an SUFC board member, suggesting that they aren't doing their job (despite not knowing properly what it is), moaning that the job exists (again, not knowing properly what it is) and moaning about them getting paid (despite them not being paid by SUFC)?

Having found out they don't actually get paid by SUFC, it's still that persons fault we lost to Fleetwood and having secured automatic promotion and we still want someone to justify that they are doing their job?

Seems a little unfair to me that one?

Like a weight off my shoulders that Foxy!

 

[William Henry Foulkes]

Soooo, as I'm late to the party, essentially what we have is someone calling out an SUFC board member, suggesting that they aren't doing their job (despite not knowing properly what it is), moaning that the job exists (again, not knowing properly what it is) and moaning about them getting paid (despite them not being paid by SUFC)?

Having found out they don't actually get paid by SUFC, it's still that persons fault we lost to Fleetwood and having secured automatic promotion and we still want someone to justify that they are doing their job?

Seems a little unfair to me that one?

Stop Making Sense...and start posting pictures of trawlers.

This thread lost touch with reality some time ago.

 

[Rodley]

Stop Making Sense...and start posting pictures of trawlers.

This thread lost touch with reality some time ago.

I'm still trying to find the evidence that I have no evidence.

I'll barely sleep a wink tonight

 

[William Henry Foulkes]

Soooo, as I'm late to the party, essentially what we have is someone calling out an SUFC board member, suggesting that they aren't doing their job (despite not knowing properly what it is), moaning that the job exists (again, not knowing properly what it is) and moaning about them getting paid (despite them not being paid by SUFC)?

Having found out they don't actually get paid by SUFC, it's still that persons fault we lost to Fleetwood and that we haven't secured automatic promotion and we still want someone to justify that they are doing their job?

Seems a little unfair to me that one?

I'm all for constructive criticism, feedback and questioning on anything to do with SUFC, but this strays into the realms of getting personal and taking out footballing frustrations on an individual for the sake of it.

If you want to know more about Selahattin's role at SUFC and the way things work, but don't want to find out off your own back, I'm more than willing to ask for peoples time and co-operation in explaining what they can to you about the way SUFC work.

However, I don't think a person should have to justify their position to you just because you decide to take a pop at them online. Nor am I willing to go out of my way to request that kind of co-operation when people choose simply to abuse or accuse individuals unfairly.

I've just taken time to read and re-read that and it's a top quality post.

 

[Bladepicker]

Soooo, as I'm late to the party, essentially what we have is someone calling out an SUFC board member, suggesting that they aren't doing their job (despite not knowing properly what it is), moaning that the job exists (again, not knowing properly what it is) and moaning about them getting paid (despite them not being paid by SUFC)?

Having found out they don't actually get paid by SUFC, it's still that persons fault we lost to Fleetwood and that we haven't secured automatic promotion and we still want someone to justify that they are actually doing their job?

Seems a little unfair to me that one?

I'm all for constructive criticism, feedback and questioning on anything to do with SUFC, but this strays into the realms of getting personal and taking out footballing frustrations on an individual for the sake of it.

If you want to know more about Selahattin's role at SUFC and the way things work, but don't want to find out off your own back, I'm more than willing to ask for peoples time and co-operation in explaining what they can to you about the way SUFC work.

However, I don't think a person should have to justify their position to you just because you decide to take a pop at them online. Nor am I willing to go out of my way to request that kind of co-operation when people choose simply to abuse or accuse individuals unfairly.

I didn't know he wasn't paid by the club so, as stated it is honourable that he gives time and effort for free.

However I personally think it is perfectly reasonable as a fan of Sheffield United to question why we are pooling resources into trying to build international sponsorship deals when no one outside of Yorkshire would have any real interest as exposure would be minimal at best.

I don't think that is a personal attack on Baki, who I am sure has fantastic intentions for the club. It just, again, strikes me as a bit of a waste of effort given our current position.

We all only want what is best for the club.

 

[pommpey]

Soooo, as I'm late to the party, essentially what we have is someone calling out an SUFC board member, suggesting that they aren't doing their job (despite not knowing properly what it is), moaning that the job exists (again, not knowing properly what it is) and moaning about them getting paid (despite them not being paid by SUFC)?

Having found out they don't actually get paid by SUFC, it's still that persons fault we lost to Fleetwood and that we haven't secured automatic promotion and we still want someone to justify that they are doing their job?

Seems a little unfair to me that one?

I'm all for constructive criticism, feedback and questioning on anything to do with SUFC, but this strays into the realms of getting personal and taking out footballing frustrations on an individual for the sake of it.

If you want to know more about Selahattin's role at SUFC and the way things work, I'm more than willing to ask for peoples time and co-operation in explaining what they can to you about the way SUFC work.

However, I don't think a person should have to justify their position to you just because you decide to take a pop at them online. Nor am I willing to do so when people choose simply to abuse or accuse individuals unfairly.

Welcome to the discussion Foxy. I'm not calling Baki out at all. I am calling out his defenders, despite their lack of evidence to support their argument. My questions are pointed (and have been in the past) and have regarded the vague aspect of his role and what people see in that. yes I allude that from this low-angle, everything seems a bit puzzling, especially as the outcomes aren't exactly clear. But that's not a crime, is it? Neither is asking the perfectly fair question of if he were not doing this role, would we still be where we are? So, forgive for asking what exactly he does, an not being satisfied with the response.

You are right - he doesn't have to justify his role to any of us, let alone me. Maybe he has done untold wonders for Sheffield United, maybe not. I'd like to see some evidence of this that ties in with his job title, that's all. Otherwise I might ask for a job there myself, and as I say, I will campaign for you and Lindz if you want. Someone is funding his time and effort. I am asking for x to be connected to y to result in z. It is difficult to ascertain why people choose to corral the wagons when faced with such a simplistic argument. It seems like the only countering quality people can offer is that he goes on Twitter and has some sort of hoolie background. I am shrugging my shoulders about that because what matters to me is out there on the pitch, and that can be affected by resources and efforts possibly best steered toward that factor, not some fanciful international folly.

And I won't retract my comments on McCabe. My frustrations with his running of my beloved football club have run for years and the common denominator is plain to see.

pommpey

 

[Rodders]

As I see it, EVERY fan has the right to ask what anyone in the Club does, and what they contribute.

 

[pommpey]

As I see it, EVERY fan has the right to ask what anyone in the Club does, and what they contribute.

I am waiting for (readies the chorus)

"What the fuck do you know? You only go to one game a season!"

It's coming, Rodders ...

pommpey