Outgoing? SANDER BERGE ON WAY OUT ?

[CrookesBlade]

Ruin it? What to lose PL money and risk the chance of losing his investment. altogether

I’m beginning to wonder if you’re an embittered ex employee.

There’s no one more bitter than me, Seth.

 

[Harrisblade]

If they both stay then I don’t give a flying about the embargo

Is that because you think the squad is strong enough to survive in the PL without any additional players - or you don't think the embargo can be applied to a Pl club?

 

[Cheesebored]

but that is the most mental thing I've ever read on here

 

[ShockingBadBuy]

His intention is not to invest but to asset strip.

I‘m really confused now. I thought he‘d had enough, wanted out, and was trying to sell the club.

Even if we forget about the “how” of this asset stripping for a moment, in what ways would stripping assets from an entity he‘s already agreed a price on help him complete the sale of the club?

Unless of course his real intention all along has been to fuck us up as completely as possible, just for the lols, like.

 

[Millhousesblade1889]

I think berge might stay

Despite our best efforts to get rid

 

[Tuns25]

It's not haters this time, Andy. You've put yourself forward as someone who knows bits and pieces about what's going on at the club--and a good deal of what you said in the first go around seems to have been true. But now you're implying the owner is deliberately trying to sabotage the club's promotion bid. People are entitled to know whether that's coming from information you have from inside the club or whether it's just your interpretation.

Maybe a desperate Prince agreed a price for the take over afew months ago but we are now worth much more given the position we are in going into February.

During the grey area of who pays for what the Prince plays hardball knowing that if it falls through the other buyers apparently waiting in the wings will step in and do a deal for potentially tens of millions more as an almost nailed on promoted club.

There is clearly scenario in which the Prince could hugely benefit from it falling through. Selling Berge for a couple of good loans could be a gamble worth taking for him

 

[dc_blade]

Maybe a desperate Prince agreed a price for the take over afew months ago but we are now worth much more given the position we are in going into February.

During the grey area of who pays for what the Prince plays hardball knowing that if it falls through the other buyers apparently waiting in the wings will step in and do a deal for potentially tens of millions more as an almost nailed on promoted club.

There is clearly scenario in which the Prince could hugely benefit from it falling through. Selling Berge for a couple of good loans could be a gamble worth taking for him

Not sure I follow that, to be honest. Andy is implying (or was--he's now backtracking) that the owner is attempting to sabotage promotion--that he is selling Berge and whoever else he can shift because he doesn't want us to go up. Your scenario seems to be about the owner trying to sabotage the sale of the club.

In both cases, the simplest answer as to why we're trying to sell Berge is that we need the money. No sabotaging of promotion, no complicated attempts to scupper the takeover, just a simple lack of money to cover the running costs of the club.

 

[Mouth of the South]

Maybe a desperate Prince agreed a price for the take over afew months ago but we are now worth much more given the position we are in going into February.

During the grey area of who pays for what the Prince plays hardball knowing that if it falls through the other buyers apparently waiting in the wings will step in and do a deal for potentially tens of millions more as an almost nailed on promoted club.

There is clearly scenario in which the Prince could hugely benefit from it falling through. Selling Berge for a couple of good loans could be a gamble worth taking for him

Incredibly unlikely - the conditions precedent in the agreement will in all probability be with the buyer to fulfil e.g. EFL approval, transfer of funds etc. and once done they'll be able to force the deal to complete. If the seller doesn't comply, it will go to litigation but PA wouldn't have a leg to stand on.

 

[Fatlad666]

We can all agree one thing on here , the club is skint, but I can't believe for one minute , The prince is asset striping the club. It's only Andy look at me I'm Sandra-Dee 67 . Implying this show us the proof. I've got nothing against you but you seem very bitter.

 

[andy m]

Not sure I follow that, to be honest. Andy is implying (or was--he's now backtracking) that the owner is attempting to sabotage promotion--that he is selling Berge and whoever else he can shift because he doesn't want us to go up. Your scenario seems to be about the owner trying to sabotage the sale of the club.

In both cases, the simplest answer as to why we're trying to sell Berge is that we need the money. No sabotaging of promotion, no complicated attempts to scupper the takeover, just a simple lack of money to cover the running costs of the club.

I got the impression that what Andy is saying is that if clubs meet our valuation for players they will be sold. Our league position is not being taken into consideration.

 

[Greasy Chap Butty]

If they both stay then I don’t give a flying about the embargo

You don't understand the embargo rules then.

 

[Freethinker]

Why though?

Why are you baiting him

 

[dc_blade]

I got the impression that what Andy is saying is that if clubs meet our valuation for players they will be sold. Our league position is not being taken into consideration.

Yeah, that's definitely what he's saying. But it raises more questions than it answers. Why would we be doing that, if indeed we are?

 

[Brownieblade]

The embargo that will prevent us buying anyone for the Premier league and will likely see us challenging derbys record?

The embargo that will prevent us buying anyone for the Premier league and will likely see us challenging derbys record?

If we don’t have money or new owner next season then next year you will be closer to Derby record than staying up with this current squad bar illy and Berge

 

[Tarqs]

Yeah, that's definitely what he's saying. But it raises more questions than it answers. Why would we be doing that, if indeed we are?

Dont most clubs sell players if valuations are met?

 

[dc_blade]

Dont most clubs sell players if valuations are met?

You're right, but I think it's fair to ask why we're selling one of our best players* when we're so close to promotion. I'm just not sold on the explanation that it's because the prince is either trying to scupper promotion or fill his pockets on the way out the door.

 

[Tarqs]

You're right, but I think it's fair to ask why we're selling one of our best players* when we're so close to promotion. I'm just not sold on the explanation that it's because the prince is either trying to scupper promotion or fill his pockets on the way out the door.

Simply because hes one of the only players we could seel easily and get value from

Who else is going to bring a few mill in?

 

[dc_blade]

Simply because hes one of the only players we could seel easily and get value from

Who else is going to bring a few mill in?

I agree, that seems like the likeliest explanation.

 

[Sean Thornton]

This is getting reyt wank.

It’s getting better. Now the owner who apparently has the chance of a substantial profit has decided to “ruin” our promotion hopes. Let’s ignore the fact that it makes no financial sense whatsoever and grasp the much enhanced opportunity to take the entire subjects to places we could never dream of.

“Good luck against those elephants”

 

[Tarqs]

I agree, that seems like the likeliest explanation.

As for prince scuppered promotion or lining his pockets, that's straight out of andys conspiracy book*.

*Available in all pound stores

 

[bertieblade]

Dont most clubs sell players if valuations are met?

As you say it’s hardly ground breaking news, especially when both are nearing the end of their contracts. Ideally hang on but circumstances seem to dictate otherwise.
it is however evidence of bad financial management if we have been allowed to reach this situation.
we needed to raise additional funds when we were relegated, when we did not it was fair to assume that our board had found another way of plugging the gap.

 

[dc_blade]

As for prince scuppered promotion or lining his pockets, that's straight out of andys conspiracy book*.

*Available in all pound stores

Right, that's exactly the point I've been making

 

[Sean Thornton]

I got the impression that what Andy is saying is that if clubs meet our valuation for players they will be sold. Our league position is not being taken into consideration.

Which makes no financial sense at all.

 

[Carlton Blade]

Why are you baiting him

Baiting him? Since when is asking a question baiting?

Also, it's a football forum not a court of law. Easy enough to ignore me or tell me to bugger off

 

[Kev Gee]

Ruin it? What to lose PL money and risk the chance of losing his investment. altogether

I’m beginning to wonder if you’re an embittered ex employee.

Careful....
He will start launching into his C bombs soon.
As I've said. He's full of BS.

 

[Pedro Verde]

What I dont get is why would the Prince try and deliberately derail our promotion to the PL ?
His investment (SUFC) would be worth considerably less if the potential takeover does not come to fruition

If there is a new owner waiting for EFL approval he would certainly not take kindly to PA selling off the Family Silver. It just doesnt make sense

If there isnt a new owner in the offing PA would stand a better chance of selling the club at a later date as a PL club for more money if we dont reach the PL then there would obviously be a fire sale

 

[andy m]

Which makes no financial sense at all.

I agree. Not saying it's true.

 

[KeithEdsgoalWards]

What I dont get is why would the Prince try and deliberately derail our promotion to the PL ?

Because he loves nights out in Blackpool.

 

[Sean Thornton]

I’m always amazed that when “asset stripping” is bandied about its invariably. By people who don’t understand what the phrase means.

 

[bertieblade]

What I dont get is why would the Prince try and deliberately derail our promotion to the PL ?
His investment (SUFC) would be worth considerably less if the potential takeover does not come to fruition

If there is a new owner waiting for EFL approval he would certainly not take kindly to PA selling off the Family Silver. It just doesnt make sense

If there isnt a new owner in the offing PA would stand a better chance of selling the club at a later date as a PL club for more money if we dont reach the PL then there would obviously be a fire sale

The prince would not be selling off the company assets in isolation, it will have been agreed with the new buyer the criteria within which the “company“ has to work.