Outgoing? SANDER BERGE ON WAY OUT ?

[alcoblade]

Yes, what dickhead payed £22 million for him them ?

And what bigger dickhead is going to let him go for less than that ?

The first part is irrelevant as it’s spilt milk. But more baffling than the notion that we paid £22m for him is the idea that he’s actually increased that value over the last 2 years. Now that really is bizarre.

The second part is almost as irrelevant - he’s worth what someone will pay, and if that’s less than we’ve paid, so be it. If we need to deal for squad restructuring, it would be sensible to acccept less if that’s all that’s on the table.

 

[VonBrysonsExpress]

He will be sold for what someone else is prepared to pay - well, errr yes. I think we can all agree on that!

But I’ll hazard a guess that our internet based musings really won’t alter what someone else is prepared to pay.

But that's my point, lots of arguing around what people on here think he is worth based on performances for us, fact is if a team think he'll add value to their team then they'll pay an appropriate amount of dosh...whether anyone thinks he's an indulgence, lightweight, flatters to deceive or a cultured ball winner with potential won't affect his market value if a team want him, it's what the club are prepared to sell for and what another team will pay. Obvious I know but seems to have got lost in people's view of his value to us.

 

[alcoblade]

But that's my point, lots of arguing around what people on here think he is worth based on performances for us, fact is if a team think he'll add value to their team then they'll pay an appropriate amount of dosh...whether anyone thinks he's an indulgence, lightweight, flatters to deceive or a cultured ball winner with potential won't affect his market value if a team want him, it's what the club are prepared to sell for and what another team will pay. Obvious I know but seems to have got lost in people's view of his value to us.

It’s not lost on me. But if all transfer discussion starts and ends at the reality that the value will be what someone pays, there’s not much room for discussion. On a discussion forum.

 

[VonBrysonsExpress]

It’s not lost on me. But if all transfer discussion starts and ends at the reality that the value will be what someone pays, there’s not much room for discussion. On a discussion forum.

Fair point, I'm constantly amazed at the prices some rather ordinary players go for but that's the market! Not wanting to stifle debate, just wanted to address the fact that him having a couple of middling games for us won't nick millions of his value if someone thinks he's the midfield player they need to improve their team.

 

[ancientblade]

When you see Buendia leaving for £33m you've got to question the £35m valuation being placed on Berge. I'd be shocked if anyone offers that. Maybe a deal rising to £35m, but he's done very little since he's been here.

i disagree if buendia is worth 33m we shouldnt be selling berge for anything less than 30m

 

[sitwell]

i disagree if buendia is worth 33m we shouldnt be selling berge for anything less than 30m

You think Berge has had the impact or will have that Buendia has ? How do you come to that ?
I really hope we get back what we paid for him or he does prove me wrong and show hes a good player btw.

 

[JJBlade]

The first part is irrelevant as it’s spilt milk. But more baffling than the notion that we paid £22m for him is the idea that he’s actually increased that value over the last 2 years. Now that really is bizarre.

The second part is almost as irrelevant - he’s worth what someone will pay, and if that’s less than we’ve paid, so be it. If we need to deal for squad restructuring, it would be sensible to acccept less if that’s all that’s on the table.

I'll pay 11p for him, that's what I'm willing to pay

It doesn't matter what somebody is willing to pay, it's what United are willing to sell for.

That price is £35 million, if nobody pays it, nobody buys him.

That's how it should be, it is not up to the buyer to determine the price, the buyer might be able to successfully negotiate a slightly better price if the seller is willing to negotiate.

If the seller isn't negotiating then the price is the price.

 

[ancientblade]

You think Berge has had the impact or will have that Buendia has ? How do you come to that ?
I really hope we get back what we paid for him or he does prove me wrong and show hes a good player btw.

different types of players i dont think sander ever fitted in with us under wilder in the 352 set up but you put him in a possesion based team and he will be outstanding and in any case although buendia is a very good player he didnt exactly set the premier league alight last time he was here with norwich still think 30m is the minimum we should be expecting if hes sold otherwise he stays

 

[JJBlade]

But that's my point, lots of arguing around what people on here think he is worth based on performances for us, fact is if a team think he'll add value to their team then they'll pay an appropriate amount of dosh...whether anyone thinks he's an indulgence, lightweight, flatters to deceive or a cultured ball winner with potential won't affect his market value if a team want him, it's what the club are prepared to sell for and what another team will pay. Obvious I know but seems to have got lost in people's view of his value to us.

This is exactly what I said earlier.

Just because we couldn't get a tune out of him due to shit tactics and playing him out of position doesn't mean he's a crap player.

In the right team, with the right set up he would probably look a much better player

Any team (other than us) would be looking at him if they thought he would fit in with their game plan.

 

[Nah den]

different types of players i dont think sander ever fitted in with us under wilder in the 352 set up but you put him in a possesion based team and he will be outstanding and in any case although buendia is a very good player he didnt exactly set the premier league alight last time he was here with norwich still think 30m is the minimum we should be expecting if hes sold otherwise he stays

Exactly this. We signed a player that played the base of a midfield in a possession based team and did well domestically and in Europe. He comes to us a gets bunged out on the right in a team that regularly conceded 75% possession to the opposition. No wonder he didn't show his best football.

As for his value, not sure really, but an argument for his value increasing since we've had him is that he's much closer to being up to PL standards conditioning wise, which he wasn't when he arrived. We've also provided him with the insight as to what to expect from the PL. In a possession heavy team, using him correctly, I think he could be very valuable.

 

[alcoblade]

I'll pay 11p for him, that's what I'm willing to pay

It doesn't matter what somebody is willing to pay, it's what United are willing to sell for.

That price is £35 million, if nobody pays it, nobody buys him.

That's how it should be, it is not up to the buyer to determine the price, the buyer might be able to successfully negotiate a slightly better price if the seller is willing to negotiate.

If the seller isn't negotiating then the price is the price.

You’re mistaken here. £35m is (apparently) the price that if we are offered, we could not refuse the deal.

You (or I) have no idea whatsoever how much we’d be prepared to sell him for.

 

[JJBlade]

Exactly this. We signed a player that played the base of a midfield in a possession based team and did well domestically and in Europe. He comes to us a gets bunged out on the right in a team that regularly conceded 75% possession to the opposition. No wonder he didn't show his best football.

As for his value, not sure really, but an argument for his value increasing since we've had him is that he's much closer to being up to PL standards conditioning wise, which he wasn't when he arrived. We've also provided him with the insight as to what to expect from the PL. In a possession heavy team, using him correctly, I think he could be very valuable.

Bit of common sense there pal

Unfair to judge players like Brewster and Berge until we have a team that keeps the ball and creates chances

 

[sitwell]

Exactly this. We signed a player that played the base of a midfield in a possession based team and did well domestically and in Europe. He comes to us a gets bunged out on the right in a team that regularly conceded 75% possession to the opposition. No wonder he didn't show his best football.

As for his value, not sure really, but an argument for his value increasing since we've had him is that he's much closer to being up to PL standards conditioning wise, which he wasn't when he arrived. We've also provided him with the insight as to what to expect from the PL. In a possession heavy team, using him correctly, I think he could be very valuable.

Because when we played him in 'his position' he was absolute dogshit and we got leathered. Shouldnt 35 million pound footballers adapt anyway ?

 

[JJBlade]

You’re mistaken here. £35m is (apparently) the price that if we are offered, we could not refuse the deal.

You (or I) have no idea whatsoever how much we’d be prepared to sell him for.

I'm not sure what it is
But the noises are that its £35 million

Big Kev isn't here anymore, so £35 million might mean £35 million

And if Norwich offered £35 million for example the deal still might not happen because Berge could reject it himself

 

[ancientblade]

Because when we played him in 'his position' he was absolute dogshit and we got leathered. Shouldnt 35 million pound footballers adapt anyway ?

got a feeling you dont rate berge

 

[sitwell]

got a feeling you dont rate berge

Not at 22 million I dont ,he will probably go to Europe and we will never hear of him again but still people will say what a player

 

[alcoblade]

Exactly this. We signed a player that played the base of a midfield in a possession based team and did well domestically and in Europe.

I think the numbers are that his team acquired a single point in their European adventure.

It seems he caught the odd eye after a decent performance against Liverpool, which (for me) has catapulted his reputation way beyond the reality of his ability.

 

[Snowflake]

It’s not lost on me. But if all transfer discussion starts and ends at the reality that the value will be what someone pays, there’s not much room for discussion. On a discussion forum.

We can still discuss what we think someone will pay !!

 

[ancientblade]

Not at 22 million I dont ,he will probably go to Europe and we will never hear of him again but still people will say what a player

all about opinions sitwell isnt it time will tell what we get for him im same on mcburnie as you are with berge never have and never will rate the guy and hope we sell if any decent offer comes in

 

[More Bladier than thou]

Seen nothing to suggest hes premier league quality, very over rated, sell him, reinvest the lot, although iam sure slav knows what we need.can certainly get alot more bang for our buck than Berge. This is the key position that needs sorting, we need that creativity, basically ‘The Engine Room’, The ‘Midfield general’.

 

[TJ blade]

Hasn’t he just proved he’s got something with Norwich walking the league?

Sander Berge hasn’t had one outstanding game for us, let alone a season.

If The Arse want him or anybody else for that matter they pay the realise clause or fuck off!

 

[alcoblade]

If The Arse want him or anybody else for that matter they pay the realise clause or fuck off!

Again, all fine if we can afford to hold out for, or for some reason we believe he's actually worth anywhere near £35M.

My guess is we will deal at half that, and it will be good business for us.

This debate's become a bit circular now, so I'll try to leave it there.

 

[TJ blade]

Again, all fine if we can afford to hold out for, or for some reason we believe he's actually worth anywhere near £35M.

My guess is we will deal at half that, and it will be good business for us.

This debate's become a bit circular now, so I'll try to leave it there.

Your not any relation to McCabe are you

 

[Liaminho9]

James Shield’s latest story in the Star says that Berge has already decided to leave and it’s out of Jokanovic’s hands…

 

[Millhousesblade1889]

My confident prediction - We will accept far less than that because we need to finance other deals - and nobody will pay it.

I don't really see us signing many if any players this pre-season. Maybe a winger or two.

I also don't see us taking a hit on a price for someone that the board seemingly feel they signed for a bargain price with long-term profit in mind

 

[Davalon]

James Shield’s latest story in the Star says that Berge has already decided to leave and it’s out of Jokanovic’s hands…

He can decide what he wants but if any clause isn't met or our asking price isn't then he's going nowhere.

Always seen him as a good kid and very professional.

He may want away but considering what we paid and what he's provided, I'm sure he doesn't expect to walk away for peanuts.

I actually believe he'll look a very different player in a better front foot side who dominate possession.

 

[Nah den]

Because when we played him in 'his position' he was absolute dogshit and we got leathered. Shouldnt 35 million pound footballers adapt anyway ?

Yeah, it's not an unreasonable view of things but I'd ask was he up to speed with the pace of the PL and was he playing in a team that kept the ball well and used him to his strengths? Probably not.

The other point is £35m isn't that much in the PL, yes it's a material fee for a single player, but not one that you'd be expecting to sign a world beater for.

 

[Flatulent_Bob]

Yeah, it's not an unreasonable view of things but I'd ask was he up to speed with the pace of the PL and was he playing in a team that kept the ball well and used him to his strengths? Probably not.

The other point is £35m isn't that much in the PL, yes it's a material fee for a single player, but not one that you'd be expecting to sign a world beater for.

I think it's the fact that you are buying the potential and sell on value that people struggle to get their heads round.
Clubs and scouts can see the lad has all the required traits and ability, so the cost goes up due to his age. There will be a tipping point when it starts coming down again, but I think most people access it with lock down, coming into a new country and a struggling side the conditions weren't exactly ideal for a young player to make his mark.

 

[blades78]

Exactly this. We signed a player that played the base of a midfield in a possession based team and did well domestically and in Europe. He comes to us a gets bunged out on the right in a team that regularly conceded 75% possession to the opposition. No wonder he didn't show his best football.

As for his value, not sure really, but an argument for his value increasing since we've had him is that he's much closer to being up to PL standards conditioning wise, which he wasn't when he arrived. We've also provided him with the insight as to what to expect from the PL. In a possession heavy team, using him correctly, I think he could be very valuable.

Bit of common sense there pal

Unfair to judge players like Brewster and Berge until we have a team that keeps the ball and creates chances

You do realise that they have to help the rest of the team win the ball and keep it as well as create chances? Are the other 9 players at fault for not doing their dirty work for them?

 

[Harrisblade]

Fair point, I'm constantly amazed at the prices some rather ordinary players go for but that's the market! Not wanting to stifle debate, just wanted to address the fact that him having a couple of middling games for us won't nick millions of his value if someone thinks he's the midfield player they need to improve their team.

Another point of view

Klopp has made his interest in Sander Berge clear amid Arsenal tussle

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