Outgoing? SANDER BERGE ON WAY OUT ?

[Flatulent_Bob]

I’d expect us to deal at £15m. Given the way many people rate him, I’m happy to accept my personal valuation (5-10m) is possibly low.

I think it’s totally fanciful to be talking of fees in the region of £35m.

Great, hope this is the case as we would definitely keep him if that's the case.

 

[alcoblade]

Great, hope this is the case as we would definitely keep him if that's the case.

You can’t possibly be sure we wouldn’t deal around £15m.

“Undisclosed” - get ready.

 

[Flatulent_Bob]

You can’t possibly be sure we wouldn’t deal around £15m.

I'm certain we wouldn't. I don't share your belief that we're that desperate for sales, especially given the fact I don't think we'll be paying much in transfer fees.

 

[alcoblade]

I'm very hopeful we wouldn't.

Fixed that for you.

 

[Flatulent_Bob]

Fixed that for you.

Why would we accept a loss on a player when we don't have a desperate requirement to sell?
According to rumour Arsenal have already bid more than the £15M you're quoting.

 

[alcoblade]

Why would we accept a loss on a player when we don't have a desperate requirement to sell?
According to rumour Arsenal have already bid more than the £15M you're quoting.

“According to rumour”

“we don’t have a desperate requirement”

You can’t be remotely certain of these points either.

“”Why would we take a loss” - because he proved to be worth nowhere near what we paid.

 

[Flatulent_Bob]

“”Why would we take a loss” - because he proved to be worth nowhere near what we paid.

According to you of course, but not according to a lot of others, and not according to quite a few people in the game.
I guess we'll know in August, but I do recall a very similar discussion with you around Ched when we dropped into League one, and you were certain he wasn't up to much and wouldn't turn it around.
There's no way Sander leaves us for less than £15M, none.

 

[alcoblade]

According to you of course, but not according to a lot of others, and not according to quite a few people in the game.
I guess we'll know in August, but I do recall a very similar discussion with you around Ched when we dropped into League one, and you were certain he wasn't up to much and wouldn't turn it around.

My posts are all according to me. I wrote them all myself.

I’ve got it wrong about lots of players Bob, and I hope I’m wrong here.

But who are those in the game that think Berge has enhanced his value since signing for us?

What do you think it was about his performances that they / you think enhanced his value?

 

[Flatulent_Bob]

I’ve got it wrong about lots of players Bob, and I hope I’m wrong here.

Who are those in the game that think Berge has enhanced his value since signing for us?

What do you think it was about his performances that they / you think enhanced his value?

I'm just surprised that you can't see any of his qualities and you genuinely think he's worth less than what Reading wanted for John Swift and level with what we paid for Freeman.
As I said previously, we'll see what those in the game believe depending on what get's bid but if you are suggesting that the papers make stuff up, whoever is making it up clearly thinks he's worth more than £15M.

 

[alcoblade]

I'm just surprised that you can't see any of his qualities and you genuinely think he's worth less than what Reading wanted for John Swift and level with what we paid for Freeman.
As I said previously, we'll see what those in the game believe depending on what get's bid but if you are suggesting that the papers make stuff up, whoever is making it up clearly thinks he's worth more than £15M.

So as I suspected, it’s based on paper speculation.

I’ve said on this thread, I expect us to deal at around £15m, and that someone will pay it. I have not compared him to the players you’ve said, though from what I’ve seen they look better players. But I can accept he’s done things before he signed for us that were way beyond what he offered us.

 

[ancientblade]

i would suggest if nobody comes up with at least 20m that we should hold on to berge it would be like signing a new player anyway with the poor standard that is the championship i think he would be brilliant for us sat as the anchor man of a midfield 3 in slavs 433 formation

 

[LudlamBlade]

Genuinely - where / who are these educated voices that place a high valuation on him?

There are plenty of interviews and articles written and recorded with several figures in the game, speaking on the subject of Berge and his potential (and value), a quick search and it doesn't take long to find some!

I'm not doing your research for you though mate

 

[alcoblade]

There are plenty of interviews and articles written and recorded with several figures in the game, speaking on the subject of Berge and his potential (and value), a quick search and it doesn't take long to find some!

I'm not doing your research for you though mate

It’s funny, I just can’t find it. So until I see otherwise, I’ll stick with my hypotheses.

Why not provide a bit, just to prove your point?

 

[BornOnShorehamStreet]

"Sheffield United are aware of the Norwegian's intentions to leave this summer"

Does anybody know Sander's intentions?

Other than him, his agent and the club, of course.

 

[JJBlade]

"Sheffield United are aware of the Norwegian's intentions to leave this summer"

Does anybody know Sander's intentions?

Other than him, his agent and the club, of course.

Rumours are, not a penny less than £35 million, and that is exactly where we should stubbornly dig in.

Regardless of whether this club has been able to get the best out of him or not, he is a top player, he's young, and a full and regular international for a decent international team.

I'm pretty sure that our fans hero Kevin McCabe would have accepted £10 million and a 10% sell on and not stopped pulling his pud for the entire summer as we replaced him with Sam Clucas on a free.

£35 - £40 million is a reasonable fee to demand for him even if some of our fans can't believe that we could have such a player.

 

[BornOnShorehamStreet]

Rumours are, not a penny less than £35 million, and that is exactly where we should stubbornly dig in.

Regardless of whether this club has been able to get the best out of him or not, he is a top player, he's young, and a full and regular international for a decent international team.

I'm pretty sure that our fans hero Kevin McCabe would have accepted £10 million and a 10% sell on and not stopped pulling his pud for the entire summer as we replaced him with Sam Clucas on a free.

£35 - £40 million is a reasonable fee to demand for him even if some of our fans can't believe that we could have such a player.

Doesn't answer my question, really, does it?

 

[JJBlade]

Doesn't answer my question, really, does it?

Sorry mate
I meant to quote somebody else.
Don't know what happened there

The answer to your question is:

Nobody knows what Berge is thinking, the chances are he's left his thinking to his agent, while he smiles and remains amicable with everybody

 

[BornOnShorehamStreet]

Sorry mate
I meant to quote somebody else.
Don't know what happened there

The answer to your question is:

Nobody knows what Berge is thinking, the chances are he's left his thinking to his agent, while he smiles and remains amicable with everybody

No problem - it happens

I just hope that we don't get a bid that matches the release fee and also that he can be persuaded his immediate future is at the Lane

 

[alcoblade]

I just hope that we don't get a bid that matches the release fee

We won’t, fear not.

 

[JJBlade]

No problem - it happens

I just hope that we don't get a bid that matches the release fee and also that he can be persuaded his immediate future is at the Lane

I hope so too
It's about time a team was built around our better players rather than only seeing the pound signs.

If he tears the Champiinship a new arsehole and we get promoted again he will be worth a fortune

 

[alcoblade]

£35 - £40 million is a reasonable fee to demand for him even if some of our fans can't believe that we could have such a player.

Similar qualifications to RND, who plays for a team far higher up the world rankings, yet would command a fee less than a tenth of the value you somehow believe we’ll get for Berge.

 

[VonBrysonsExpress]

Sander will be sold for the sum another team will want to pay. Why any blade wants to talk down his value is insane, comparing to prices of other vaguely similar players is redundant. If someone wants to pay 35 mill they will, if not it's our decision to retain for a season, we're in a good position as he has more than a year on his contract and safe to assume a decent relegation clause.

 

[SWB]

wow !!! some people are really driven here, he's a good solid player though who would/will greatly benefit in a decent team.

 

[alcoblade]

Sander will be sold for the sum another team will want to pay. Why any blade wants to talk down his value is insane, comparing to prices of other vaguely similar players is redundant. If someone wants to pay 35 mill they will, if not it's our decision to retain for a season, we're in a good position as he has more than a year on his contract and safe to assume a decent relegation clause.

He will be sold for what someone else is prepared to pay - well, errr yes. I think we can all agree on that!

But I’ll hazard a guess that our internet based musings really won’t alter what someone else is prepared to pay.

 

[Groucho Blade]

So as I suspected, it’s based on paper speculation.

I’ve said on this thread, I expect us to deal at around £15m, and that someone will pay it. I have not compared him to the players you’ve said, though from what I’ve seen they look better players. But I can accept he’s done things before he signed for us that were way beyond what he offered us.

Obviously, paper speculation isn’t going to be anywhere near as accurate as your expectations…

 

[ben1987]

A lot of this Arsenal talk seems to have come from Berge going out for lunch with Martin Odegaard.

How dare he go out for some snap with his best mate and international colleague.

it looks extremely unlikely that Arsenal can afford to sign Odegaard permanently so they probably weren’t planing on sharing a panini sticker book on the away coach.

he probably does fancy himself as too good for the championship and who could blame him. A lot of this seems to be lazy journalism though.

 

[alcoblade]

Obviously, paper speculation isn’t going to be anywhere near as accurate as your expectations…

It’s going to be what it is, pure speculation.

And to be honest, I haven’t read anything where newspapers have speculated that they believe he’s worth anything like the £35m some people are dreaming of.

 

[CaptainMorgans]

When you see Buendia leaving for £33m you've got to question the £35m valuation being placed on Berge. I'd be shocked if anyone offers that. Maybe a deal rising to £35m, but he's done very little since he's been here.

 

[JJBlade]

Similar qualifications to RND, who plays for a team far higher up the world rankings, yet would command a fee less than a tenth of the value you somehow believe we’ll get for Berge.

Yes, what dickhead payed £22 million for him them ?

And what bigger dickhead is going to let him go for less than that ?

 

[Yogi]

When you see Buendia leaving for £33m you've got to question the £35m valuation being placed on Berge. I'd be shocked if anyone offers that. Maybe a deal rising to £35m, but he's done very little since he's been here.

Maybe but the noises coming out of United recently are that the board are comfortable keeping him and berge isn’t agitating for a move so he could well stay if the price isn’t met.