Outgoing? SANDER BERGE ON WAY OUT ?

[AnstonBlade1]

Does Vieira

Even if you think Berge is only worth £15m that still makes him our best midfielder by a country mile. We wouldn’t be lucky to get £15m at all. We’d either be lucky to keep him, or lucky to £35m+.

It’s not hard to be the best midfielder at the club though, rest of them are dire.

 

[BrisBlade]

Nobody in this market are paying £30 mil for Berge, he’s done nothing to warrant that sort of figure.
Be lucky to get 15 at the moment.

Great - let's keep him then!
Regardless of all the conjecture about whether he makes us a better team or not, I just love watching him play for us. I'm very happy if no other teams want to pay what we value him at.

 

[A Storm of Blades]

It’s not hard to be the best midfielder at the club though, rest of them are dire.

So why sell him for a cut price? It weakens an already dire midfield, and doesn’t exactly give us a kings ransom to strengthen.

 

[alcoblade]

Does Vieira

Even if you think Berge is only worth £15m that still makes him our best midfielder by a country mile. We wouldn’t be lucky to get £15m at all. We’d either be lucky to keep him, or lucky to £35m+.

Not necessarily - it means that a players value falls slowly as people are slow to react to new news.

 

[Sheffsteel]

targeting young players is a good strategy.

but I’d argue about ‘likely’ to increase.

ramsdale has done well but we are struggling to get what we paid back for him. Same with berge, no one is coming in with a bid for substantially more than we paid.

It might change but would we get even 50% of what we paid for mcburnie or Brewster back atm?

every signing is a essentially a gamble, especially if the focus is on going to be young English talent who attract a HUGE premium. I’d focus on expanding our scoring infrastructure and analytics departments. Focus on young foreign talent more, if their value is substantially cheaper you can afford to take more bites at the Apple

Young players won’t increase in value in 6 to 12 months.
I was thinking at least to the end of their contract, 3 years, maybe even 5 years.

The problem is…the longer someone plays in the Championship the more their value diminishes…..thats probably why some PL are delaying because they suspect that by Jan22 or next Summer…the valuation will be reduced. Same as….as soon as anyone plays a few PL games….their value goes up…just by playing.

Agree with the last bit….we‘ve gone for a policy of gambling on young talented players…which are investments for tomorrow not the here and now.
We’ve overpaid on all of them but that’s because they are all rated as young talents, so their value is likely to increase.

Thats why it’s tricky discussing transfer valuations of Berge, Ramsdale, Brewster, McBurnie and even Jebbison.
There’s the “here and now” valuation…..which is pretty modest.
Then there‘s the potential value, which is much much higher. We paid a middle ground figure when buying them with clauses.

 

[dc_blade]

In Berge's defence, I think anyone would've struggled in that midfield. A midfield two supported by a ludicrous number of strikers was always going to get over run. After a disastrous first 15 minutes he steadied into a slightly better performance. By the second half he looked better, he actually created the only really good chance of the game.

Personally I've seen enough of Berge to see there's a quality player in there. Unlike Brewster, that isn't blind faith and reputation.

I've defended him till I'm blue in the face up until now and I agree with you that there seems to be a quality player in there somewhere. But there were one or two times at the beginning of the game against Swansea when he was robbed of the ball due to lack of fight. That's not down to the quality of the players around him. He urgently needs to grow a pair and learn to be 100% braver and more aggressive if he's going to succeed in the English game. I find him to be a tremendously frustrating player.

 

[ancientblade]

I've defended him till I'm blue in the face up until now and I agree with you that there seems to be a quality player in there somewhere. But there were one or two times at the beginning of the game against Swansea when he was robbed of the ball due to lack of fight. That's not down to the quality of the players around him. He urgently needs to grow a pair and learn to be 100% braver and more aggressive if he's going to succeed in the English game. I find him to be a tremendously frustrating player.

yes me anall no doubt hes a class act but he just doesnt look commited to the english game i think he will end up abroad maybe italy

 

[Belvedere Blade]

Slavisa Jokanovic has claimed Aaron Ramsdale and Sander Berge are the only two players Sheffield United can sell without his permission​

Yorkshire Post

 

[bromtom]

Slavisa Jokanovic has claimed Aaron Ramsdale and Sander Berge are the only two players Sheffield United can sell without his permission​

Yorkshire Post

Probably the only two with release clauses.

 

[Sheff de party]

I’m asking if we shouldn’t be going back up one - why the constant assumption by seemingly everyone that he has the talent?
Does Ravel Morrison have the talent?

From what I’ve seen he certainly does. He still really struggles with tackling smaller, skilful players though, which is bizarre considering the level he apparently wants to play at.

 

[JJBlade]

Quite amazing that one man who can't take on eleven every week is shit.

When he goes to a club that plays decent football he will shine, he won't go to Arsenal or Liverpool, not directly from us.
He'll go to Brighton or Palace, then within 12 months be off to a big club for £75 million

We could of course get some footballers in and build the team around our best player, but hey, what the fuck would we want to do that for ?
Much better to just flog him for a loss, so that we can bring in another seven League One players. And then moan about how we ended up in League One

 

[A Storm of Blades]

Quite amazing that one man who can't take on eleven every week is shit.

When he goes to a club that plays decent football he will shine, he won't go to Arsenal or Liverpool, not directly from us.
He'll go to Brighton or Palace, then within 12 months be off to a big club for £75 million

We could of course get some footballers in and build the team around our best player, but hey, what the fuck would we want to do that for ?
Much better to just flog him for a loss, so that we can bring in another seven League One players. And then moan about how we ended up in League One

I do sometimes feel we get the players we deserve…

 

[alcoblade]

From what I’ve seen he certainly does. He still really struggles with tackling smaller, skilful players though, which is bizarre considering the level he apparently wants to play at.

He does struggle in the tackle. He also has zero aerial threat. And he seemingly doesn’t have the energy for the speed of the English game.

He’s not without his attributes, that’s for sure. But the valuations talked about are simply way beyond anything he’s demonstrated in a season and a half.

 

[robbiez666]

They're probably the only two that anyone would by!

 

[robbiez666]

He does struggle in the tackle. He also has zero aerial threat. And he seemingly doesn’t have the energy for the speed of the English game.

He’s not without his attributes, that’s for sure. But the valuations talked about are simply way beyond anything he’s demonstrated in a season and a half.

He needs too much time on the ball for English football. He's fine when he's pushing forward and has to act. Much more than fine. But when he gets the ball and is static he takes too long to make a decision. It feels like he not planning ahead. He also seems to not be able to protect the ball that well (like Coutts used to do).

 

[Keen Blade]

Agree to a point….our transfer policy has been to target young players with big potential.

So players like Ramsdale, Brewster, Berge, McBurnie weren’t worth the money we paid for them
however as an investment their value is likely to increase.

It depends what we intend to do with the money.
I’m not bothered about individual players, it’s the team that counts.

I'd love to know the basis for an increase in the value of Brewster's Millions - let me see , he had a contract at Liverpool but never played , he was loaned to Swansea + scored a few , he arrived at the Lane a year ago , has barely played , let alone scored a league goal.
If you were scouting him you'd say he looked unfamiliar with a football pitch.
He cost £23m.
I'll give you 10 cents on the dollar but only coz I sympathize with how you got duped by Klopp.
McBurnie runs like a rotavator , never wins a physical battle without committing a foul.
He pesters the ref all game for nonsense + wonders why , once the ref has got his measure , he never gets a free kick even when he deserves one.
He's scored a couple of goals in his 2 years here but his best position is helping our short CBs clear opposition corners - he nearly always wins headers in our own box , a bit like JoC did.
His private life is questionable , with one conviction for drink driving + one violent incident where he appeared from a widely circulated video clip to commit criminal damage & assault (allegedly) but the victim mysteriously seemed to withdraw his complaint.
He injured his shoulder whilst appearing to dive to the deck + then broke a bone in his foot , so has not been consistently available to play.
I think it's a stretch to call what we've paid for these 2 strikers an "investment that's likely to increase in value".

 

[247Blade]

Just read 'sports witness' saying Napoli might come in last minute for Berge ... well that's no good if we havnt got adequate cover ... our record this window is poor so I'm not confident we will

 

[Bladesman]

Just read 'sports witness' saying Napoli might come in last minute for Berge ... well that's no good if we havnt got adequate cover ... our record this window is poor so I'm not confident we will

Would he want to go there? apart from for the pizza (no pineapple).

 

[247Blade]

Would he want to go there? apart from for the pizza (no pineapple).

Probably send Moose instead then

 

[Espania blade]

I'd love to know the basis for an increase in the value of Brewster's Millions - let me see , he had a contract at Liverpool but never played , he was loaned to Swansea + scored a few , he arrived at the Lane a year ago , has barely played , let alone scored a league goal.
If you were scouting him you'd say he looked unfamiliar with a football pitch.
He cost £23m.
I'll give you 10 cents on the dollar but only coz I sympathize with how you got duped by Klopp.
McBurnie runs like a rotavator , never wins a physical battle without committing a foul.
He pesters the ref all game for nonsense + wonders why , once the ref has got his measure , he never gets a free kick even when he deserves one.
He's scored a couple of goals in his 2 years here but his best position is helping our short CBs clear opposition corners - he nearly always wins headers in our own box , a bit like JoC did.
His private life is questionable , with one conviction for drink driving + one violent incident where he appeared from a widely circulated video clip to commit criminal damage & assault (allegedly) but the victim mysteriously seemed to withdraw his complaint.
He injured his shoulder whilst appearing to dive to the deck + then broke a bone in his foot , so has not been consistently available to play.
I think it's a stretch to call what we've paid for these 2 strikers an "investment that's likely to increase in value".

Insert swear words and you would morf into Pommpy

 

[Yogi]

Just read 'sports witness' saying Napoli might come in last minute for Berge ... well that's no good if we havnt got adequate cover ... our record this window is poor so I'm not confident we will

If they come in and meet his release clause there’s nothing we can do about it no matter how late that is. That’s the downside to release clauses on the one hand it keeps the player in question happy as he’s secure in the knowledge the club can’t block a move and so messy things like transfer requests are avoided (see Harry Kane and Jack grealish) but if it’s met he’s gone. On the plus side it would mean the club would all of a sudden have 35 million in cash to play with and there’s more than enough there to make an offer for someone that their club can’t refuse in order to bring in a replacement.

 

[Snowflake]

If they come in and meet his release clause there’s nothing we can do about it no matter how late that is. That’s the downside to release clauses on the one hand it keeps the player in question happy as he’s secure in the knowledge the club can’t block a move and so messy things like transfer requests are avoided (see Harry Kane and Jack grealish) but if it’s met he’s gone. On the plus side it would mean the club would all of a sudden have 35 million in cash to play with and there’s more than enough there to make an offer for someone that their club can’t refuse in order to bring in a replacement.

If it is really late then paperwork may hold it up until September !
Alternatively bank £35m and wait to see where we are in January

 

[Bladeinleeds]

Sale of ramsdale at least takes some of the financial pressure off.

would only strengthen our ability to hold out for top dollar for him.

 

[Yogi]

If it is really late then paperwork may hold it up until September !
Alternatively bank £35m and wait to see where we are in January

Potentially but in order for the club buying sander to get their own paperwork done and negotiate personal terms then they’d likely kick off proceedings early on deadline day which should give united time to get out and bring someone in

 

[ancientblade]

Potentially but in order for the club buying sander to get their own paperwork done and negotiate personal terms then they’d likely kick off proceedings early on deadline day which should give united time to get out and bring someone in

get him sold as well and spend the 50m bringing 6 players in that we badly need

 

[Yogi]

get him sold as well and spend the 50m bringing 6 players in that we badly need

If someone was offering us 25 I’d take it but by all accounts they’re not Napoli are fucking about around 10 million. Which means we’d likely lose money in selling him not as in selling him for less than we bought but if we amortised his 18 million fee plus a year and a half a wages 10 million won’t touch the sides. We might actually have to pay genk some money when he leaves as I doubt we paid it all upfront.

 

[Frank the tank]

No one wants him

 

[ChipButtyBlade]

^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Even moreso after tonite.

 

[Guesty]

No one wants him

But he'd look great in the Manchester City midfield!!!

 

[Slug]

If there is anything around the £20m mark on the table for him then snatch their hands off and invest it in a couple of midfielders who want to be here and have the heart for the fight of the Championship. His value is decreasing with every single performance.