Ryan One

[S64 Blade]

I love the notion of “not ready”. What determines this? Surely someone has to regularly play first to be able to land on this opinion? Most of our XI this season look “miles off it” yet somehow get a free pass to keep playing just because they’ve played 1/200 games or whatever before (arguably all the more reason why they should look ‘ready’).

 

[Danetheblade]

Not to me it isn’t. Please illuminate.

For the record, I’d be choosing Oné every single time over Cannon, but we’ve seen it being done with Brewdog, it’ll be the same scenario with Cannon. Justification for the price tag.

 

[CPB]

For the record, I’d be choosing Oné every single time over Cannon, but we’ve seen it being done with Brewdog, it’ll be the same scenario with Cannon. Justification for the price tag.

Wasn't Cannon not necessarily a Wilder signing though? My understanding this was scouting and then put through our ai system. Just like ukaki and caceres was at the time.

I do want to see us chuck in One more though. Just from a physical point of view he has height and strength so defenders have to be thinking about that. It may mean that bit more room for players around him too.

 

[Cheeky Blade]

Oné seems to have gone…

 

[Snowflake]

Oné seems to have gone…

One in one out ?

 

[themaninblack]

For the record, I’d be choosing Oné every single time over Cannon, but we’ve seen it being done with Brewdog, it’ll be the same scenario with Cannon. Justification for the price tag.

Isn't it a bit far fetched to imagine that a manager would pick a weaker team, therefore increasing the risk of losing, just to justify the club having paid a transfer fee for a particular player?
Brewster didn't turn out to be the the player we wanted him to be but his performances warranted selection last season.

 

[Cheeky Blade]

One in one out ?

Oné sheet?

 

[Danetheblade]

Wasn't Cannon not necessarily a Wilder signing though? My understanding this was scouting and then put through our ai system. Just like ukaki and caceres was at the time.

I do want to see us chuck in One more though. Just from a physical point of view he has height and strength so defenders have to be thinking about that. It may mean that bit more room for players around him too.

He’d chased him for over a year based on his comments when he’d signed. Oné is a superior option even now. Regardless of his lack of experience, he offers something Cannon seemingly can’t. An ability to learn and better his mistakes (which he’ll make.. he’s a kid ultimately).

 

[Danetheblade]

Isn't it a bit far fetched to imagine that a manager would pick a weaker team, therefore increasing the risk of losing, just to justify the club having paid a transfer fee for a particular player?
Brewster didn't turn out to be the the player we wanted him to be but his performances warranted selection last season.

Is a bit far fetched. But it’s not the first time he’s chosen a player who’s not up to the standard required. See Brewster, he also continually picked Lunwank when he’d given 3/10 performances week after week, he’d also picked the same line up three games in a row last season, after all and sundry saw it wasn’t working/needed freshening up. I’m not saying he does it deliberately, I just think Wilder lacks the tactical nous to realise any different.

 

[jt64]

I love the notion of “not ready”. What determines this?

Not having played two seasons on loan at other Yorkshire clubs as well as having gained at least 100 Championship appearances somehow is the normal metric

 

[XADE]

For the record, I’d be choosing Oné every single time over Cannon, but we’ve seen it being done with Brewdog, it’ll be the same scenario with Cannon. Justification for the price tag.

People say this a lot, but on the flipside how much 'should' Oné be worth at the moment, if he WAS playing as the back up striker to what is supposedly one of the best in the league in Campbell.

Surely it's close to 10m in today's climate.

Osula was similar, couldn't hit a barn door in preseason matches, never got in the team. Now he's coming on in the Champion's League.

 

[Danetheblade]

People say this a lot, but on the flipside how much 'should' Oné be worth at the moment, if he WAS playing as the back up striker to what is supposedly one of the best in the league in Campbell.

Surely it's close to 10m in today's climate.

Osula was similar, couldn't hit a barn door in preseason matches, never got in the team. Now he's coming on in the Champion's League.

Osula went for 10M after scoring a few goals in preseason, so I’d say around the same if not more for Oné.. reason I say this is he’s younger, and has more scope to bulk and fill out. He's already a unit at a young age.

 

[LurkerBlade]

Very similar scenario to Osula, we gave him a run out in PREM because we had to and he wasn't ready. Following year still not ready but he played a few more games and we got great money for him. NU probs sending him out on loan.
One very similar and although we could argue he'd do better than Cannon (and be quite convincing) is it the right move to throw the player in at this point?

 

[BangorBlade]

I'm pre season One seemed to be doing ok & finding back of the net, then he seemed to just stop getting selected ?

 

[Champagneblade]

Looked ready in pre season.

Bit we looked half decent in pre season too.

The reality is the real stuff is a level higher. He's 19 all season long. No rush.

It would have been interesting if we’d have just kept the however many million spent on Cannon and given his minutes to Marsh and Oné.

I feel a bit for Marsh. He’s like the guy who has good qualifications but gets turned away due to lack or experience thinking but how do I get it if nobody will give me a chance?

He’s more than served his apprenticeship.

 

[Big.Dane.w]

Very similar scenario to Osula, we gave him a run out in PREM because we had to and he wasn't ready. Following year still not ready but he played a few more games and we got great money for him. NU probs sending him out on loan.
One very similar and although we could argue he'd do better than Cannon (and be quite convincing) is it the right move to throw the player in at this point?

Yes

 

[Nick Jansky]

It would have been interesting if we’d have just kept the however many million spent on Cannon and given his minutes to Marsh and Oné.

I feel a bit for Marsh. He’s like the guy who has good qualifications but gets turned away due to lack or experience thinking but how do I get it if nobody will give me a chance?

He’s more than served his apprenticeship.

Might have turned out very differently for him if we’d kept Hecky. Which I’m increasingly thinking we should have done.

 

[ATL Recs]

It would have been interesting if we’d have just kept the however many million spent on Cannon and given his minutes to Marsh and Oné.

I feel a bit for Marsh. He’s like the guy who has good qualifications but gets turned away due to lack or experience thinking but how do I get it if nobody will give me a chance?

He’s more than served his apprenticeship.

Not spent the money on Cannon and go get a CH with it = promotion

 

[Ball_Sup (Phil)]

It would have been interesting if we’d have just kept the however many million spent on Cannon and given his minutes to Marsh and Oné.

I feel a bit for Marsh. He’s like the guy who has good qualifications but gets turned away due to lack or experience thinking but how do I get it if nobody will give me a chance?

He’s more than served his apprenticeship.

Most recently, I was at the away U21 game at Crewe Alexandra. Elements of it are ridiculous now. When he plays, the whole U21 gameplan is to get Marsh on the ball, all the time.

At one one point, the shout from the bench, to Frankie Jones, was...

"Frankie, get out of there, leave that space all to Marshy."

We don't have corner routines as such. Marsh just moves around roughly 30 yards from goal. Moving towards the kicker. Or away from the kicker. And the kicker looks to find him.

I remarked to one of the Carrier Bag Firm - we don't have anyone in the first team trying to do that on the ball playmaker role.

He said - yeah we do, O'Hare. Fair enough.

 

[Blade56]

Players not the problem. Manager and owners are killing the club off.

 

[Champagneblade]

Might have turned out very differently for him if we’d kept Hecky. Which I’m increasingly thinking we should have done.

Does make you wonder.

He was very much a victim of circumstances. We had a squad for relegation anyway and then lost two of the better players, 3 if you count Doyle too. We didn’t even get together a team during the season as good as the one that ended the promotion season.

That Spurs game was a killer for him and us.

That Newcastle game should gave been postponed. And even then all the first half goal were dubious.

The Burnley hammering was aided by harsh refereeing on McBurnie.

We’ve had 3 managerial changes since and I can’t say our trajectory would have been any worse if he’d have stayed.

Ironically he’d probably have been the best suited to more help from upstairs in terms of DoF type structures as he very much enjoyed the coaching side of it all.

I get that with no money the Prince felt it was the only card left but even so, it would have twkeb a miracle to have turned that season around. It was lost in the transfer market before a ball was even kicked.

Despite the inevitability of that season I don’t recall anyone calling for Hecky’s head; I think most acknowledged the cards dealt were a poor hand.

 

[ChipButtyBlade]

One in one out ?

Do the French know.

 

[Moose Splitter]

Two up top Cannon and Campbell replaced last 20 for Ings and One that would sort it

 

[Snowflake]

Do the French know.

Probably as they are (a)cute.