CONFIRMED Ricky Holmes

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makblade said:
Yet people would be going barmy if we missed out on him just for a few hundred grand :rolleyes:

We havent got time to fk about. Holmes will improve us massively imo. If that gets us into the playoffs come May then fantastic.
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Based on what? One good performance at the Lane for Charlton? He’s never even played at Championship level and last season was his first season above League Two level.

At 30, I can take or leave signing him to be honest. He might do very well for us, but he’s far from a sure thing.

Unless we’re going to sign proven Championship quality (which we aren’t), I'd rather we looked to sign younger players with a point to prove and the potential to improve.
 
LJBlade said:
Excellent post. It’s not easy to say that.

My disagreement with you wasn’t around the players we brought in (permanent or loans) it was mainly around you saying we needed to spend x amount of money. As I said at the time, would it matter if we hadn’t spent loads of Wilder had got the players he wanted.

We all want the same thing in the end but I suppose slight disagreements is what this board is all about
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I'm married LJ, so admitting I'm wrong is a daily occurrence! Lol! No worries. As happy as I was when we signed Evans, Leonard and Wilson last week a small part of me though, oh crap I'm going to get some stick now!
 
Funny how fans are saying they can take or leave this signing like they have a real input .

Like some fans say we’ve only really seen him once / twice.

But CW / AK signed him for Northampton and have wanted him ever since. They have seen him play for hundreds of hours. So I’ll leave the decision to them.
 
Mouth of the South said:
Even considering paying-off Carruthers is utter madness. He has 2.5 years left on his contract, has transfer market value and is wanted by other clubs. He is also likely to develop further as a player and his value increase accordingly. Why then would Utd even think about paying-up his contract, which would directly impact future budgets.
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It’s a fair point you make, but leaving aside the specific case; in commercial transactions “paying up early” isn’t quite what it seems. The recipient does not get the whole of the contracted sum. There is quite a reduction for receiving the sum early (with the opportunity to invest it) and being allowed to earn further remuneration elsewhere during what would have been the contracted period. It’s not as daft as it sounds. All depends on the figures as to which side benefits most.
 
Bladezz said:
Funny how fans are saying they can take or leave this signing like they have a real input .

Like some fans say we’ve only really seen him once / twice.

But CW / AK signed him for Northampton and have wanted him ever since. They have seen him play for hundreds of hours. So I’ll leave the decision to them.
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Don’t worry, I'm not deluded, I know I haven’t got an input, nor do I believe Wilder is reading this thread in order to help him make a decision. I’m just giving an opinion on a messageboard that’s all.
 
If we are bringing Holmes in and letting Carruthers go the other way there’s no way we should be losing out money wise.

Age, potential, the league they’re currently playing in and the contract length of the respective players in question points to us making money on it if anything. Remember, Wilder won’t or shouldn’t overpay for any player, from the horses mouth itself and many people on here. Anything over £400k would be overpriced for the greedy cunt.
 
Does it matter what we pay for him? 200k or 750k does it really really really matter? Anyone going to lose any sleep over it if we pay over the odds seriously?

Not me.

Wilder obviously knows what he's getting from him.

Onwards and upwards

UTB
 
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makblade said:
Does it matter what we pay for him? 200k or 750k does it really really really matter? Anyone going to lose any sleep over it if we pay over the odds seriously?

Not me.

Wilder obviously knows what he's gettjng from him.

Onwards and upwards

UTB
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Of course it matters. If Utd paid £750k it means they have £550k less of the budget to spend elsewhere than if they'd paid £200k - that could equate to a large part of Leonard's or Evans' fees or Wilson's wages. CW obviously doesn't have a bottomless pit - are you sure you'd be happy if one (or more) of those players couldn't be afforded as a result of over paying for Holmes? Possibly an even dafter comment than your one suggesting Carruthers is released
 
wizadry said:
If we are bringing Holmes in and letting Carruthers go the other way there’s no way we should be losing out money wise.

Age, potential, the league they’re currently playing in and the contract length of the respective players in question points to us making money on it if anything. Remember, Wilder won’t or shouldn’t overpay for any player, from the horses mouth itself and many people on here. Anything over £400k would be overpriced for the greedy cunt.
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I love that you feel that way wiz, but I think the position you've adopted belongs in the 'sensible' bracket, which is a pity as what constitutes the actual value of a player is based on a variety of things. It would appear that we're talking about a player capable of scoring, being able to produce moments which positively change the way a game is headed, and who has that extra special something that isn't always found in decent, but less gifted players. Basham comes to mind, it's almost impossible to fault his dedication to the cause, but whether Bash is a game changer, well I'll leave it to you to work that one out.

I saw elsewhere that one poster commented on the club's intentions under Wilder. Unless I'm wrong we're headed forward, not dithering about in the past, and to make this happen we'll need gifted and better players as we move along. Of course there's a risk, but it's not as if Wilder would be taking a wildcard with Holmes. They've worked together before, so Wilder knows exactly what Holmes is capable of bringing to this team. Even with the gap in ages between Ricky and Samir, it's clear that Ricky can influence a game in a way that Samir can only dream of doing. So I hope that Holmes is about to join us, and as for the price, well if what we get is a game changer, then I doubt there'll be too many moaners amongst the supporters.

I'm not taking a pop mate, I enjoy your posts, but with all the evidence - and it's clear that Samir just cannot step up to the plate when required - then with Holmes pedigree, and the ambitions of our manager, it's the right thing to do.
 
itsinyerblood said:
I love that you feel that way wiz, but I think the position you've adopted belongs in the 'sensible' bracket, which is a pity as what constitutes the actual value of a player is based on a variety of things. It would appear that we're talking about a player capable of scoring, being able to produce moments which positively change the way a game is headed, and who has that extra special something that isn't always found in decent, but less gifted players. Basham comes to mind, it's almost impossible to fault his dedication to the cause, but whether Bash is a game changer, well I'll leave it to you to work that one out.

I saw elsewhere that one poster commented on the club's intentions under Wilder. Unless I'm wrong we're headed forward, not dithering about in the past, and to make this happen we'll need gifted and better players as we move along. Of course there's a risk, but it's not as if Wilder would be taking a wildcard with Holmes. They've worked together before, so Wilder knows exactly what Holmes is capable of bringing to this team. Even with the gap in ages between Ricky and Samir, it's clear that Ricky can influence a game in a way that Samir can only dream of doing. So I hope that Holmes is about to join us, and as for the price, well if what we get is a game changer, then I doubt there'll be too many moaners amongst the supporters.

I'm not taking a pop mate, I enjoy your posts, but with all the evidence - and it's clear that Samir just cannot step up to the plate when required - then with Holmes pedigree, and the ambitions of our manager, it's the right thing to do.
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Some good points but no one can say for certain that Carruthers couldn’t make it at this level if given a proper opportunity, I admit it’s going to be hard for him to get that here but I rate him as a good footballer and someone who has more potential than Holmes and I just don’t want to see us get shafted by a player who didn’t want to be at the lane at the start of the season because of the money, Wilder has said on a numerous of occasions he doesn’t want this sort of player at our club.
 
wizadry said:
Some good points but no one can say for certain that Carruthers couldn’t make it at this level if given a proper opportunity, I admit it’s going to be hard for him to get that here but I rate him as a good footballer and someone who has more potential than Holmes and I just don’t want to see us get shafted by a player who didn’t want to be at the lane at the start of the season because of the money, Wilder has said on a numerous of occasions he doesn’t want this sort of player at our club.
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Well if it's any sort of consolation, the transfer's not been announced yet ;) but from all accounts it seems as if it's about to happen.

As for your points about greed, well yes, it did seem as if we were played in order for Holmes to get a superior contract. But I guess that's always going to be the case, greed I mean. Players will want the best for them and their families. If Holmes' transfer means we're getting a player who can improve this side then good. Not on the same page as yourself in sharing your view of Samir though. No doubt the lad's talented, but when opportunities come his way he doesn't do enough to persuade me that he's got enough to be the player worth putting up an argument for. I could be wrong, Carruthers may go on to be a cracking player. He's still young enough, but it could be explained as easily as we're not right for each other. It's happened before, and whether we hang onto Samir remains to be seen. Clearly the question of what Wilder wants will be answered should Holmes sign this week.
 
itsinyerblood said:
Well if it's any sort of consolation, the transfer's not been announced yet ;) but from all accounts it seems as if it's about to happen.

As for your points about greed, well yes, it did seem as if we were played in order for Holmes to get a superior contract. But I guess that's always going to be the case, greed I mean. Players will want the best for them and their families. If Holmes' transfer means we're getting a player who can improve this side then good. Not on the same page as yourself in sharing your view of Samir though. No doubt the lad's talented, but when opportunities come his way he doesn't do enough to persuade me that he's got enough to be the player worth putting up an argument for. I could be wrong, Carruthers may go on to be a cracking player. He's still young enough, but it could be explained as easily as we're not right for each other. It's happened before, and whether we hang onto Samir remains to be see. Clearly the question of what Wilder wants will be answered should Holmes sign this week.
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Fair enough, it would go against what Wilder has said though if he were to sign Holmes and that’s my overriding point.

I suppose if we get a player who wins us football matches this will all be forgotten. GLTTGC! :)
 

YES Blade said:
Don’t worry, I'm not deluded, I know I haven’t got an input, nor do I believe Wilder is reading this thread in order to help him make a decision. I’m just giving an opinion on a messageboard that’s all.
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And I’m giving you an opinion also. It’s just contrary to yours it happens.
 
Mouth of the South said:
Of course it matters. If Utd paid £750k it means they have £550k less of the budget to spend elsewhere than if they'd paid £200k - that could equate to a large part of Leonard's or Evans' fees or Wilson's wages. CW obviously doesn't have a bottomless pit - are you sure you'd be happy if one (or more) of those players couldn't be afforded as a result of over paying for Holmes? Possibly an even dafter comment than your one suggesting Carruthers is released
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Yet there was no shortage of MOPS [Money (Other People’s) Spenders] on here who thought we should pay RugRon whatever he wanted for Lendog.

Funny old game.
 
Pinchy said:
Yet there was no shortage of MOPS [Money (Other People’s) Spenders] on here who thought we should pay RugRon whatever he wanted for Lendog.

Funny old game.
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There wasn't actually any though really was there ?
 
Mouth of the South said:
Of course it matters. If Utd paid £750k it means they have £550k less of the budget to spend elsewhere than if they'd paid £200k - that could equate to a large part of Leonard's or Evans' fees or Wilson's wages. CW obviously doesn't have a bottomless pit - are you sure you'd be happy if one (or more) of those players couldn't be afforded as a result of over paying for Holmes? Possibly an even dafter comment than your one suggesting Carruthers is released
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We can guess it won't be massive, but we don't know what his budget is really do we? Maybe he has actually been given a bit more this time, we just seem to be getting on with it now. After all the bollocks that went on in the last window that gets my vote.
 

CW and AK have dealt with Holmes long enough at Northampton to know what he brings to the table and I am sure will not pay more than he's worth. As for Curruthers, if he is surplus to the squad requirements then I am sure we will hang on to him till we get the right price... it's not like we have not got a pot to piss in? :p:p:p
 
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