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SteveBlade said:
I agree that I have no business telling people what they should or shouldn't be affected by, but in certain environments and professions it's what you've signed up for.

Anyone in the public eye will have things said about them every day online. Any professional athlete, actor, performer etc is a couple of clicks away from reading a load of praise and/or criticism.

I'm not down for personal abuse, but when it relates to your performance, you've got to be able to take it. You can feel whatever you like, but in order to continue doing what you're doing, you have to be able to deal with it. Whether it's an in depth analysis of your performance, or a fat bloke simply calling you shit.
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Criticism and abuse are different things. 'You've got to be able to take it' is a very 1900's type of comment too IMO.

Alan Hansen giving you a grilling on MOTD is ok, but sometime directly abusing you when you're already down in the dumps is out of order.
Where do we draw the line too, should black players not be allowed to complain about racism because they've chosen to be on social media and 'they have to deal with it'?

Social media has given a platform to all sorts of dolls heads, none of which these people would say to you in a boozer, to say whatever the fuck they like to people with no consequences. The authorities of these platforms must do more.
 



Roygbiv said:
It's a tough one. Any personal insults aimed at him are pathetic and should be called out. On the other hand it's top level football and he will receive criticism. Think how the players of Man Utd or Spurs have felt over the last few seasons. Not only their own fans hammering them but journalists, pundits and neutrals from all over the globe. It's part and parcel of the modern game and you have to be mentally strong to compete at this level.

I think the criticism of Ramsdale this season has has been hugely unjust and he's an easy target following on from the best goalkeeper in England but he has to accept this is going to happen when things are tough. Look at Pickford. Everyone in England is taking the piss out of him and Everton fans want him gone. It's not just Ramsdale this happens too and unfortunately he has to overcome it if he wants a career at the very top.
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Aye, much more fairly put than some. I've replied to you to sum it up mate rather than getting in any daft argument.

He's 22. I s'pose lads of 22 can vary hugely in maturity but either way it's young (and with the ages for moving out, buying houses, getting married and having kids all going up, it's getting younger).

There'll be folk on here with sons that are 22, we've all got workmates that age- it's bloody young. If you (they) break up with a girlfriend/fall out with mates or whatever, and get abuse on Instagram etc, of course it's pressure, of course it affects people. Crank that pressure up by Christ knows how many for Ramsdale.

There's tonnes of evidence on the figures for depression (and worse) for young men in this country and worldwide right now. I know some will say "when I was 22 I had 3 kids and a house", "when my grandad was 22 he fought in the battle of the Somme"...with due respect, don't. This is now.... I'm not saying young blokes are right or wrong for feeling pressured, I'm saying they do and the stats are scary.

The 'you know what you're signing up for' argument doesn't really work for me either. He's not signed up to be a Marine, he's not trained up/agreed/decided he can handle owt... he's just happened to be good at football.

And he's signed for the team he supports, for a fuck load of money, replacing a crowd favourite and best keeper out there, and we're struggling. That's enough to be going on with.

Hopefully he'd had a few Guinesses and thought 'fuck this' and it was a throw away posting that means nowt. I say get behind him personally but of course folk are entitled to express what they think and their frustrations (and he has made mistakes).

But don't trot out all the 'man up' bollocks, he's just a lad.
 
unfortunately trolling doesn’t all football players quit the sport despite my best efforts and most on here we could get rid on Dean Hammond to leave. Wait a moment I hear people saying Dean Hammond was never a footballer
 
raimond said:
Aye, much more fairly put than some. I've replied to you to sum it up mate rather than getting in any daft argument.

He's 22. I s'pose lads of 22 can vary hugely in maturity but either way it's young (and with the ages for moving out, buying houses, getting married and having kids all going up, it's getting younger).

There'll be folk on here with sons that are 22, we've all got workmates that age- it's bloody young. If you (they) break up with a girlfriend/fall out with mates or whatever, and get abuse on Instagram etc, of course it's pressure, of course it affects people. Crank that pressure up by Christ knows how many for Ramsdale.

There's tonnes of evidence on the figures for depression (and worse) for young men in this country and worldwide right now. I know some will say "when I was 22 I had 3 kids and a house", "when my grandad was 22 he fought in the battle of the Somme"...with due respect, don't. This is now.... I'm not saying young blokes are right or wrong for feeling pressured, I'm saying they do and the stats are scary.

The 'you know what you're signing up for' argument doesn't really work for me either. He's not signed up to be a Marine, he's not trained up/agreed/decided he can handle owt... he's just happened to be good at football.

And he's signed for the team he supports, for a fuck load of money, replacing a crowd favourite and best keeper out there, and we're struggling. That's enough to be going on with.

Hopefully he'd had a few Guinesses and thought 'fuck this' and it was a throw away posting that means nowt. I say get behind him personally but of course folk are entitled to express what they think and their frustrations (and he has made mistakes).

But don't trot out all the 'man up' bollocks, he's just a lad.
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I fully agree, he needs some space. But he's lucky the crowds aren't allowed in or it would be George Long revisited I am afraid. Let's hope he proves his critics wrong.
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Unfortunately because professional footballers are seen to be pampered in so many ways, then sometimes people forget they're still human beings with emotions.

Being very wealthy doesn't negate poor mental health. It just stops financial worries that might cause someone else mental health problems.

I'm listening to Sky discussing the 5 sub rule as Klopp and Pep are complaining. Whilst there's certainly merit to some of the arguments, it's comments about getting home at 2 or 3am from away trips and not getting as much sleep so it affects them which do no favours. We all have bad nights and players have no problem coming in late from nights out.

I'm all for moving into the modern world and removing elements of the archetypal 70s man, especially around mental health.

However, you can't just flick a switch and expect footballers not to get criticism (fairly or unfairly). It's part of the game and in elite sport mental toughness is hugely important.

There has to be a line in these things. We even have people today complaining about how tough training is for special forces!

I think Ramsdale has done fine in all games bar two. Some of the criticism this weekend has been OTT and I'm not sure United fans sharing pictures of him with poppadom hands is very helpful.

That said, there are no fans at games which mean there is no negativity at games which players can't avoid.

They can avoid social media and they can seek professional help if they feel they're not as mentally strong as they'd like. Every club employ professionals in that field now and there is no stigma anymore.

My advice to Aaron, whilst having some sympathy, would be ignore social media and if you feel anything is affecting you then take measures to address it.
 
Davalon said:
Far more young referees quit the game because of abuse from people who should know better.
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Some of the abuse I've seen given out by knuckle dragging morons who think they are "managers" on a Sunday morning is an absolute disgrace. Yes they make miatakes, but they give up their time, and if they get anyone running the line it's a fucking miracle
 
Davalon said:
Unfortunately because professional footballers are seen to be pampered in so many ways, then sometimes people forget they're still human beings with emotions.

Being very wealthy doesn't negate poor mental health. It just stops financial worries that might cause someone else mental health problems.

I'm listening to Sky discussing the 5 sub rule as Klopp and Pep are complaining. Whilst there's certainly merit to some of the arguments, it's comments about getting home at 2 or 3am from away trips and not getting as much sleep so it affects them which do no favours. We all have bad nights and players have no problem coming in late from nights out.

I'm all for moving into the modern world and removing elements of the archetypal 70s man, especially around mental health.

However, you can't just flick a switch and expect footballers not to get criticism (fairly or unfairly). It's part of the game and in elite sport mental toughness is hugely important.

There has to be a line in these things. We even have people today complaining about how tough training is for special forces!

I think Ramsdale has done fine in all games bar two. Some of the criticism this weekend has been OTT and I'm not sure United fans sharing pictures of him with poppadom hands is very helpful.

That said, there are no fans at games which mean there is no negativity at games which players can't avoid.

They can avoid social media and they can seek professional help if they feel they're not as mentally strong as they'd like. Every club employ professionals in that field now and there is no stigma anymore.

My advice to Aaron, whilst having some sympathy, would be ignore social media and if you feel anything is affecting you then take measures to address it.
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"poppadom hands"?
I can't even imagine what type of place it must be where such a thing came from!
If someone's actually took the time to do that they're mental, and surely can't be a Blade.
 
People having a go a Ramsdale must surely realise it’s unlikely to help him play any better - and it’s to say stuff like he could be fighting in ww1 so what’s he complaining about.

his confidence is likely to have taken a hit!

I don’t even thing the criticism is really aimed at ramsdale (everyone wants him to do well) he’s just the current outlet for the fact we can’t buy a fucking win and there’s been nothing pleasurable for the last 5 months about the team.

If we were 10th with points on the board it would have been treated as any other error by a player.
 
The Crab said:
Some of the abuse I've seen given out by knuckle dragging morons who think they are "managers" on a Sunday morning is an absolute disgrace. Yes they make miatakes, but they give up their time, and if they get anyone running the line it's a fucking miracle
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It's a joke mate. I've had to walk away a few times to keep my cool.

Lost it last season having voluntarily run the line and being fair to the point that I got stick from one or two of our own parents. The opposition manager is one of the biggest bullying cunts I've seen in kids football and I've seen more than enough.

The way he spoke to the ref would have seen him sent off after 10 minutes in a pro game. He challenged every decision I made no matter how clear but had no problem when I ruled out a goal for our team after a marginal offside I could have let go.

Some of their players were horrible little cunts who threw racist comments around which he had no issue with.

I spoiled myself at the end and squared up to him. The trouble with people like him is that you can do the right thing and ignore them but report them in which case nothing comes of it. Or challenge them and make yourself look a cunt too.

Some on here need to look at themselves because they get upset if our players get abuse but they're more than happy abusing referees to kingdom come.
 
Chabuddy G said:
Criticism and abuse are different things. 'You've got to be able to take it' is a very 1900's type of comment too IMO.

Alan Hansen giving you a grilling on MOTD is ok, but sometime directly abusing you when you're already down in the dumps is out of order.
Where do we draw the line too, should black players not be allowed to complain about racism because they've chosen to be on social media and 'they have to deal with it'?

Social media has given a platform to all sorts of dolls heads, none of which these people would say to you in a boozer, to say whatever the fuck they like to people with no consequences. The authorities of these platforms must do more.
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Weird thing to bring up in relation to this. There's a difference between racist abuse and being a professional footballer and being called shit at football.

Of course a lot of it wouldn't get said to them if you met them in the boozer
Rightly or wrongly, the Internet is a different world and we all, yourself included, say a lot of shit directed towards our players that we either don't really mean, or is extremely exaggerated.
 
knowsnowt said:
As I've just posted on the other thread, if this is a reflection of where he's at and a hint he's crumbling then he needs to grow a pair or fuck off.
Premier league matches generally get watched by millions of people, you know, supporters, and a minority like to find fame by being sensationalist with over the top criticism.
Look at the shit that was thrown at Henderson, the nonce stuff, and whilst I'm not saying that kind of shit is OK it's part and parcel of being in the highlight these days.
Rammers still has my full support and I was over the moon when we signed him, but he needs to step up and not whinge like a fucking under 7's goalie if things aren't great, not look for pity.

Fucking shameful if he's using this to try and get fans to lay off him.
If I were Chris I'd be ripping him a new one.
No place for surrender monkeys in this team, and if this is what's causing the lack. of team spirit I'd furlough him till his pubes came through.
Big fan Rammers (if you're reading this) but fuck off with the pity shit.
Given today was remembrance day maybe have a watch of some old D day vids and realise how easily you actually have it. You'll be going home at the end of each game. Ffs.
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Never has a users name fitted a post more perfectly.
 
SteveBlade said:
Weird thing to bring up in relation to this. There's a difference between racist abuse and being a professional footballer and being called shit at football.

Of course a lot of it wouldn't get said to them if you met them in the boozer
Rightly or wrongly, the Internet is a different world and we all, yourself included, say a lot of shit directed towards our players that we either don't really mean, or is extremely exaggerated.
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Is it? Why? It's personal abuse. It's taken to heart. Whether you choose to accept it or not.

I am guilty of flinging plenty of shit in certain players direction but I'd never dream of directly sending them a message calling them whatever. It's odd behaviour. And don't get me started on 'man up'.
 
It is important to remember that football is performance, theatre. No matter how much money performers earn, most of them are driven by wanting to please people - actors, comedians, singers, sports players, etc. It must be almost impossible to combine the effort to try to win applause/approval/admiration with the knowledge that any mistake will be in full public view. The word ‘supporter’ is disappearing, perhaps for a reason. The keyboard warriors are the exact opposite of performers - they act alone, anonymously, nevertheless seeking the attention that performers openly strive for. Scapegoating is a very unpleasant part of human behaviour.
 



knowsnowt said:
As I've just posted on the other thread, if this is a reflection of where he's at and a hint he's crumbling then he needs to grow a pair or fuck off.
Premier league matches generally get watched by millions of people, you know, supporters, and a minority like to find fame by being sensationalist with over the top criticism.
Look at the shit that was thrown at Henderson, the nonce stuff, and whilst I'm not saying that kind of shit is OK it's part and parcel of being in the highlight these days.
Rammers still has my full support and I was over the moon when we signed him, but he needs to step up and not whinge like a fucking under 7's goalie if things aren't great, not look for pity.

Fucking shameful if he's using this to try and get fans to lay off him.
If I were Chris I'd be ripping him a new one.
No place for surrender monkeys in this team, and if this is what's causing the lack. of team spirit I'd furlough him till his pubes came through.
Big fan Rammers (if you're reading this) but fuck off with the pity shit.
Given today was remembrance day maybe have a watch of some old D day vids and realise how easily you actually have it. You'll be going home at the end of each game. Ffs.
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Proper Wan*er post
 
Ramsdale must know that it’s just a dickhead minority who slag him off on social media. I think he’s the last person most Blades blame for our bad start.

If he wants to know what genuine criticism feels like he should have a chat with George Long.
 
knowsnowt said:
I hope that's not a reflection of where he's at himself. Not that I'd be concerned for him if so. More that he needs to grow a pair.
I was a massive advocate of us signing him and he still has my full support, but if that's a hint that he's crumbling then he can pack his shit and fuck off.
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I can't tell if you're joking...
 
Dean Henderson admitted to feeling suicidal after playing for us and putting up with relentless abuse. He was top class for us for two years.
www.mirror.co.uk

Henderson 'considered suicide' due to abuse from trolls as he calls for action

The Sheffield United goalkeeper says the FA would have acted if his abusers had been racist
www.mirror.co.uk www.mirror.co.uk
Ramsdale has actually been pretty good for us and the lynch mob are already out for his head. What they hope to achieve will remain an eternal mystery.
 
nopigfansintown said:
Dean Henderson admitted to feeling suicidal after playing for us and putting up with relentless abuse. He was top class for us for two years.
www.mirror.co.uk

Henderson 'considered suicide' due to abuse from trolls as he calls for action

The Sheffield United goalkeeper says the FA would have acted if his abusers had been racist
www.mirror.co.uk www.mirror.co.uk
Ramsdale has actually been pretty good for us and the lynch mob are already out for his head. What they hope to achieve will remain an eternal mystery.
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That wasn't due to Blades fans, but I take your point.
 
Ramsdale has been making too many mistakes but I don't think he's a liability. I can't think of a game where I'd blame him for losing, unlike say Henderson against Leeds. If anything, the defence has been equally, if not more culpable, for the goals he conceded. Someone needs to tell him (and it's seemingly catching) and other keepers that they need to try and catch shots straight at them.

I suspect all footballers (and everyone in the public eye for that matter) get a shedload of abuse online. At least for the men, no one is probably threatening to rape them. It's insipid and it's disgusting but it's very hard to stop.

As a practical way of dealing with it they either need to make their social media private, ignore it or get off it. The big companies who run it don't really care so it's unlikely much will get done.
 
Chabuddy G said:
Is it? Why? It's personal abuse. It's taken to heart. Whether you choose to accept it or not.

I am guilty of flinging plenty of shit in certain players direction but I'd never dream of directly sending them a message calling them whatever. It's odd behaviour. And don't get me started on 'man up'.
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Pot, kettle, black pal. Abuse whether posted on here or directly to a player is wrong. Have a look back at some of the shit you've spouted about Lunny, including shoutbox then think about your post. Would Ramsdales abuse be acceptable if he was running his contract down?
 
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Just seen Ramsdale's Instagram post. He's clearly been hounded by so called Blades on social media. There's no excuse for it! Remember when Wilder took over and he said that (I'm paraphrasing here) 'the fans hated the payers and the players hated the fans'. Lets please not get to that point again! Get behind Wilder and get behind the team. Last season when Deano made a mistake he was cheered almost immediately afterwards. Do the same for Rambo! Other PL teams fans are an embarrassment on social media, let's not join them by becoming spoilt and over critical. I know its hard watching from home but the players are probably looking to social media and even this forum more than ever to see the fans support. Lets do ourselves and them proud!!!

Rant over... UTB ⚔
 
Cheesebored said:
Pot, kettle, black pal. Abuse whether posted on here or directly to a player is wrong. Have a look back at some of the shit you've spouted about Lunny, including shoutbox then think about your post. Would Ramsdales abuse be acceptable if he was running his contract down?
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Directing something @ someone's social media roundabout ='s to slagging a player off on an internet forum... righto 'pal'
 



Maybe to get Blades fans on side Ramsdale should do some knee slides or fist pump the crowd more......Doh!
 
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