Quinny's Transfer

[norfolkblade]

£100K is a disappointing fee to receive for Quinn anyway. The part that raises eyebrows most is that we accepted an offer of just £2K every time he plays a game. If he'd got a bad injury on his debut, we would only have got £2K for (as Bruce says) "our best player". As it stands, we won't get the full £100K until next October at the earliest. So much for needing the money badly.

I don't think it was perhaps a case of needing the money badly, more a case of needing to save some money badly so hence we had to get rid.

If he was on say £10k a week (I have no idea what he was earning so please don't shout me down) - you could essentially say that it has now brought us in £12k a week, over the course of a year thats some £600k, good business IMHO given our situation of having to cut the cloth wherever possible.

 

[alcoblade]

What's the point of offloading quality for peanuts to avoid a transfer embargo if we're just going to impose one on ourselves anyway?

Perhaps because transfer embargo or not, we don't have the cash to keep paying it? A scenario rejected by some because they think £20 is too much to spectate, yet expect McCabe to continue to fund £millions out of his own back pocket.

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[Sothall_Blade]

Perhaps because transfer embargo or not, we don't have the cash to keep paying it? A scenario rejected by some because they think £20 is too much to spectate, yet expect McCabe to continue to fund £millions out of his own back pocket. UTB

They get my cash every year, don't worry about that.
Maybe McCabe could fund it by selling the hotel he built on our land and took off us for £1? Just a thought..

 

[Revolution]

Perhaps because transfer embargo or not, we don't have the cash to keep paying it? A scenario rejected by some because they think £20 is too much to spectate, yet expect McCabe to continue to fund £millions out of his own back pocket.

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As long as he owns it, you're damn right I expect him to fund it.

 

[Grecian2000]

Don't forget folks - losing to Burton Albion in the LC was still a great result.

Come on Rodders, did we really lose?

 

[Grecian2000]

Don't forget folks - losing to Burton Albion in the LC was still a great result.

Double post due to quite slow response times.

 

[Bladesway]

Many Thanks for those few kind words Bladesway -
My point (though it is lost to those who do not wish to see) was that despite being strapped for cash we shouldn't sell our 'saleable' players for less than their market value - just because I didn't rate him that highly (he had the makings of a top class player but lost his way) he was still worth more than £100k.
I use the term 'saleable' because some clubs wanted him as against 'unsellable' players such as Monty and Cresswell that no club wanted - we couldn't give them away.
As regards the 'Ginger Messi' statement - just because people happen to think he may be worth a tad more than £100k doesn't make him a fantastic player - when we are talking about Championship clubs paying £8million pounds for a striker with just one seasons pedigree - it speaks volumes - is Jordan Rhodes worth 80 times the worth of Stephen Quinn- no I don't think so!
I for one have witnessed for many years United continually sell their better players for peanuts and whilst I thought that Quinn very rarely played to his potential I still think he was worth a bit more than £100k - lets face it Ashley Cole has just turned down double that for a weeks wages!!

Always a pleasure Fiery. I'm not here to blow smoke up your arse but neither are you totally wrong in your assessment of the situation. I don't like the fact we have to sell players for small amounts but when the market is Hull City or paying Quinn another £10k, £15k, or £20k per week (whoever you decide to believe) actually the amount is irrelevant against what it would have cost to keep him for another 12 months.

I think McCabe has made a complete horlicks of the club I love and I blame him somewhere between 90 and 100% for completely screwing it up, but selling Quinn wasn't what got us here. Selling Beattie, Kilgallon and the rest had more to do with it. Building castles in the sky for a world cup we were never getting. Poncy hotels and business centres. Clubs in China and fuck knows where else. All at the expense of the first team investment. How many millions of the clubs money he wasted having initially set up a fantastic business model for a club.

Watching players like Jagielka, Walker, Cahill, Dyer and even seeing players like Tonge cracking one in against the unwashed the other week makes me sad. Beyond sad in fact. We had all that and we pissed it away. The football I have seen us play this season is beyond a joke in comparison to what we were playing and the level is not much above that of pub league. Bypassed by clubs like Swansea City, Stoke and Peterborough United. Barnsley in a higher league and worse still Leeds and them. It isn't good.

The last few years have been beyond the worst case scenario many could have expected. Even when we were relegated from the Premiership we thought we were going to at worst bob around the Championship for a while.

So, yes I understand totally why people complain about it going wrong, but right now we appear to have bottomed out and be slowly making our way back. Look at clubs like Forest, Leeds, Southampton to name but three. All have plumbed similar depths and worse. If we get promoted this season I really don't care how we do it, but do it we must. Its painful, its poor quality and its sad to see our remaining decent players either in clink or elsewhere for buttons. But if we get back to where we were in the Championship I think we may have had a lucky escape. I don't think we will ever know how close SUFC were to going into Administration but I understand it was closer than many would ever wish to see.

 

[alcoblade]

As long as he owns it, you're damn right I expect him to fund it.

Really? By how much? £10 per year? £10Million? £100Million?

I expect him to run us as a business and to balance the books. He's done a shite job at that. I don't expect him to pump endless millions into the club, from his own back pocket. I don't think anybody should expect that.

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[Bladesway]

Really? By how much? £10 per year? £10Million? £100Million?

I expect him to run us as a business and to balance the books. He's done a shite job at that. I don't expect him to pump endless millions into the club, from his own back pocket. I don't think anybody should expect that.

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Ooooh now it gets interesting. How many millions of "His own money" do you think he has put in? You see I think he has benefitted over the first few years far, far above what he says he has put in himself. Most directors walk away from clubs going into administration and still keep the vast majority of their wealth. The big cars, the big houses, all ringfenced you see.

 

[alcoblade]

Always a pleasure Fiery. I'm not here to blow smoke up your arse but neither are you totally wrong in your assessment of the situation. I don't like the fact we have to sell players for small amounts but when the market is Hull City or paying Quinn another £10k, £15k, or £20k per week (whoever you decide to believe) actually the amount is irrelevant against what it would have cost to keep him for another 12 months.

I think McCabe has made a complete horlicks of the club I love and I blame him somewhere between 90 and 100% for completely screwing it up, but selling Quinn wasn't what got us here. Selling Beattie, Kilgallon and the rest had more to do with it. Building castles in the sky for a world cup we were never getting. Poncy hotels and business centres. Clubs in China and fuck knows where else. All at the expense of the first team investment. How many millions of the clubs money he wasted having initially set up a fantastic business model for a club.

Watching players like Jagielka, Walker, Cahill, Dyer and even seeing players like Tonge cracking one in against the unwashed the other week makes me sad. Beyond sad in fact. We had all that and we pissed it away. The football I have seen us play this season is beyond a joke in comparison to what we were playing and the level is not much above that of pub league. Bypassed by clubs like Swansea City, Stoke and Peterborough United. Barnsley in a higher league and worse still Leeds and them. It isn't good.

The last few years have been beyond the worst case scenario many could have expected. Even when we were relegated from the Premiership we thought we were going to at worst bob around the Championship for a while.

So, yes I understand totally why people complain about it going wrong, but right now we appear to have bottomed out and be slowly making our way back. Look at clubs like Forest, Leeds, Southampton to name but three. All have plumbed similar depths and worse. If we get promoted this season I really don't care how we do it, but do it we must. Its painful, its poor quality and its sad to see our remaining decent players either in clink or elsewhere for buttons. But if we get back to where we were in the Championship I think we may have had a lucky escape. I don't think we will ever know how close SUFC were to going into Administration but I understand it was closer than many would ever wish to see.

Excellent post, but my take is slightly differenmt. He did fund the first team well , but on silly contracts for ageing players, and silly contracts for bang average players. He spent lots of money, in lots of bad areas.

Though we may disagree on this, we agree on the main points - that he royally fucked it up, but that current decsions are understandable in the back drop of such a fuck up. I'm tired of repeating how I blame him for his errors, but that doesn't mean that I don't. We just need to move on.

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[alcoblade]

Ooooh now it gets interesting. How many millions of "His own money" do you think he has put in? You see I think he has benefitted over the first few years far, far above what he says he has put in himself. Most directors walk away from clubs going into administration and still keep the vast majority of their wealth. The big cars, the big houses, all ringfenced you see.

I reckon he'll have done OK if the debt on the books gets repaid. I think that's as likely as me shagging Cheryl Cole.



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[metalblade]

So it now appears that:
I have to praise the club at regular intervals for my opinion to have weight!
Just because I criticised the amount of money he was on then we should let him go for next to nothing!
Any opinion different to the mighty Alcoblade's is pathetic!

I didn't happen to rate Quinn as highly as some people on this forum because I thought as a footballer he had gone backwards!
The reason I posted was that it was announced last year we had turned down a 'reported fee' from Blackpool of £350k - to then sell at £100k seemed to be bad business - but as Mr Alco says that my opinion has no relevance!!

PS: The use of bold to emphasise you point is so like shouting or raised voice- surely a man of your expert and revered opinions doesn't need to - keep calm!

Hehehehe you are learning fast Fiery, toe the line are the usual suspects will soon be on your case.

 

[alcoblade]

Hehehehe you are learning fast Fiery, act like a tool and the usual suspects will soon be on your case.

Fixed it for you.

What's your impression of the season so far? How have Radio Sheffield made us sound?



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[metalblade]

Having said that Fiery you can always press the "ignore" button on certain posters like I do then sit back chuckle and imagine them foaming at the mouth after you post. You don't see the crap they post but they always post within minutes of your last post.

 

[alcoblade]

Foxy, can you attach an "autolike" (or tongue in ass) function to Metal's posts - I think Fiery might put in a claim for RSI at this rate.

Fiery, if you're that desperate for a bit of man love you'll find Metal's ass welded to a sofa 4 miles from BDTBL every match day.



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[Fiery Blade]

Foxy, can you attach an "autolike" (or tongue in ass) function to Metal's posts - I think Fiery might put in a claim for RSI at this rate.

Fiery, if you're that desperate for a bit of man love you'll find Metal's ass welded to a sofa 4 miles from BDTBL every match day.



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Pathetic!!!

 

[super_pig]

Fiery, if you're that desperate for a bit of man love you'll find Metal's ass welded to a sofa 4 miles from BDTBL every match day.

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i get the impression that it is because he is too ill to attend actually

 

[oldblade]

Having said that Fiery you can always press the "ignore" button on certain posters like I do then sit back chuckle and imagine them foaming at the mouth after you post. You don't see the crap they post but they always post within minutes of your last post.

What you mean like you did on the "our Record Is Amazing" thread?!

The metal in your name is obviously osmium - a particularly dense substance. Don't bother replying. I won't see it.

 

[alcoblade]

i get the impression that it is because he is too ill to attend actually

Aye, it's the unbeaten run that's doing it.

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[puppet]

They get my cash every year, don't worry about that.
Maybe McCabe could fund it by selling the hotel he built on our land and took off us for £1? Just a thought..

Bang on

 

[KenMcnaughtsNuts]

McCabe makes money out of us, otherwise he wouldnt be here. Anybody who believes otherwise is rather naive. He doesnt put a bean in to the club. Hes full of shite.

 

[super_pig]

Aye, it's the unbeaten run that's doing it.

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i've never met the guy, but if you were paying attention and reading metals posts about hospital visits and stuff, then i reckon your comment is a little bit marginal :/

 

[alcoblade]

i've never met the guy, but if you were paying attention and reading metals posts about hospital visits and stuff, then i reckon your comment is a little bit marginal :/

Our spat started way back when he was sounding off about McCabe's lack of funding (fine on it's own), whilst in other posts proclaiming that despite living only 4 miles from BDTBL, he could no longer be arsed to make the journey (fine on its' own, but not if you want to demand others break their own bank IMHO).

When I suggested the hypocricy of this, he then mentioned it wasn't thast simple but didn't have to explain to me, which he doesn't. So I can only judge on what's said, and I do. And being an arse / hating United isn't an illness, whatever other things are in play.

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[super_pig]

well i've explained to you so you should wind your neck in

 

[alcoblade]

well i've explained to you so you should wind your neck in

Se my above post, and to repeat;

"being an arse / hating United isn't an illness, whatever other things are in play."

I'll stick my neck wherever I like, thanks.

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[super_pig]

he doesn't hate united.. he just doesn't hold our esteemed chairman/owner in the same regard you do

 

[alcoblade]

McCabe makes money out of us, otherwise he wouldnt be here. Anybody who believes otherwise is rather naive. He doesnt put a bean in to the club. Hes full of shite.

That's right. It's a well known fact that football is a great investment and those that own clubs make a fortune out of it. I've never heard anyone suggest otherwise.



www.youtube.com/watch?v=G2DCExerOsA

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[alcoblade]

he doesn't hate united.. he just doesn't hold our esteemed chairman/owner in the same regard you do

I regard him as a chairman who's laden us with huge debt through bad management. I'm not sure what "regard" that's considered as.

Because I accept that the debt leads to difficult decisions, yet he believes McCabe should finance us indefinitely, he's bracketed me as a McCabe lover. He can't compute a world where we don't simply live at opposite ends of a spectrum.

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[Fiery Blade]

Here's my slant on it

• McCabe knew the pitfalls of owning a football club when he took over (If he didn't the man's a complete fool) - he is exactly like the people that have taken over Manchester City albeit having less cash!
• If the club is costing him £millions year on year he would get shut - he hasn't so it can't be 'bleeding him dry'
• His 'management' of the Blades has been nothing short of diabolical - his appointments woeful, his direction non existent and his communication very,very poor
• He has made the club a 'laughing stock' with his Tevez Saga, World Cup Saga, blaming everything and anybody but himself
• His vision of being 'In Europe' within five years on our promotion to the Premier has totally backfired as we are now playing Pub League standard just five years after his comments
• McCabe is like most people that have made their money in property, being in the right place at the right time, in essence a very lucky man - his business prowess is next door to useless!
• Whilst ever he heads up the club we will be no-marks of the football world! Should McCabe have to finance us indefinitely? - YES until he gets out or sells - His Choice - but making up Nigerian Businessmen doesn't count!!!

 

[Houso]

Good decisions and best intentions at the start.... especially at the very start when we were on our arse. Then it all started to go awry when he got carried away with our own hype.

He then dallied on the 'sack button' when we could have stayed up which was followed by terrible decisions, cowardice and general incompetence up till this point..

Could have been one of the greatest figures in the history of this club, but sadly his good deeds which still stand today (the academy and the ground) will be forgotten unless an absolute miracle occurs.

He's like a cross channel swimmer who started off strong and then decided to pause halfway through for a steak and ale pie. Now he's drowning and his only hope is that Nigerian dolphin will surreptitiously carry him to the French coast.

(I may have lost that analogy around the halfway point)