Pyro or flare?

[Redflame]

If you wish to throw things like smoke bombs etc get in a little one person boat row out into the middle of the ocean and throw till your hearts content UTB

 

[Tyler Durden]

This debate is even more baffling than the pitch invasion debate. It's law. There's no counter argument to that. I could understand people wanting the law on entering the pitch to be altered and I understand those occasions when people want to get on the pitch (though personally I still wouldn't agree with it), but throwing dangerous smoking and/or burning objects around? As someone else said (sorry, didn't grab the quote as I read the thread) you wouldn't start chucking things like that around at other events or places with large crowds, nor would you do it in the city centre or your own back garden.

If I saw someone with such a device at a football match I would immediately inform the nearest steward/police officer. I would expect any sensible person to do the same.

Whenever I see or hear of such incidents my first two noughts are:
1. I hope nobody (both sets of fans, ground staff, stewards, police, players, club staff) is hurt.
2. The club could get in trouble for the actions of one moron and I sincerely hope we don't get handed a points deduction/huge prohibitive fine/have to play game(s) behind closed doors.

How would you all feel if the EFL handed us a 20 point deduction and condemned us to the playoffs before next Sunday?


No surprise there, you displayed your support of law-breaking in the pitch invasion thread.

The reason sensible people feel the need to continue to make their case is that people like you say it's no big deal, so the idiots breaking the law think they're alright to carry on and get away with it.



DISCLAIMER
Pointing out the word 'punk' is in my username will in no way invalidate my argument or support yours.

Idiots will break the law with or without my blessing or that of this forum for that matter, unless directly challenged. Given that nobody is diametrically in disagreement over the issue, I can only deduce that these threads are little more than an exercise in moralistic one-upmanship.

 

[Punk Blade]

Idiots will break the law with or without my blessing or that of this forum for that matter, unless directly challenged. Given that nobody is diametrically in disagreement over the issue, I can only deduce that these threads are little more than an exercise in moralistic one-upmanship.

But some on here are condoning these actions and actively discouraging or insulting others who would challenge or report the idiots. Without the sensible posters defending their position (the posters boring you) the thread would be:

1. Pyro/smoke bombs eh?
2. Just a bit of harmless fun aren't they?
End of thread.

I don't think we should be allowing that attitude to go unchallenged here, in the stands, or anywhere else.

 

[Tyler Durden]

But some on here are condoning these actions and actively discouraging or insulting others who would challenge or report the idiots. Without the sensible posters defending their position (the posters boring you) the thread would be:

1. Pyro/smoke bombs eh?
2. Just a bit of harmless fun aren't they?
End of thread.

I don't think we should be allowing that attitude to go unchallenged here, in the stands, or anywhere else.

In the right hands, such devices aren't weapons. However, in this country they're forbidden, so the only ones carrying them will invariably be the idiots.

Bricks on the other hand are far more dangerous. There were plenty of those lobbed last week. It'd be nice to see more said about that.

 

[west_yorks_blade]

In the right hands, such devices aren't weapons. However, in this country they're forbidden, so the only ones carrying them will invariably be the idiots.

Bricks on the other hand are far more dangerous. There were plenty of those lobbed last week. It'd be nice to see more said about that.

Go on then. Talk about bricks.

 

[The white wall]

I don't condone throwing anything at a match but I have to say that to me smoke bombs don't seem nearly as dangerous as a flare, and they look great on a packed away end. Just don't throw them.

 

[Punk Blade]

In the right hands, such devices aren't weapons. However, in this country they're forbidden, so the only ones carrying them will invariably be the idiots.

Bricks on the other hand are far more dangerous. There were plenty of those lobbed last week. It'd be nice to see more said about that.

I agree with the law on throwing bricks in general, but at football matches it's just kids being a bit silly. Surely it's just a bit of harmless fun?

 

[Tyler Durden]

I agree with the law on throwing bricks in general, but at football matches it's just kids being a bit silly. Surely it's just a bit of harmless fun?

If you can't see the hierarchy of dangerousness between throwing a smoke cannister and throwing a brick then I really don't know what to say to you.

 

[BornOnShorehamStreet]

For those who believe that taking flares into a ground, trashing away ends etc, is wrong, but don't agree with grassing, would you have the balls to tell the person involved that they were in the wrong? Or are you afraid they'll give you a slap? I would be tbf. What's the answer? I don't know but smoke bombs have caused distress to my lungs on more than one occasion as I have asthma and Cystic Fibrosis. Do the idiots care? No. For those who believe such anti-social behaviour such as the above is acceptable, take a long, hard look at yourself.

 

[BornOnShorehamStreet]

I agree with the law on throwing bricks in general, but at football matches it's just kids being a bit silly. Surely it's just a bit of harmless fun?

We're not all Magic Jack you know

 

[BornOnShorehamStreet]

But you are making a very weird jump from the original point.

It's what happens when people are losing or have lost the argument.

 

[HodgysBrokenThumb]

Idiots will break the law with or without my blessing or that of this forum for that matter, unless directly challenged. Given that nobody is diametrically in disagreement over the issue, I can only deduce that these threads are little more than an exercise in moralistic one-upmanship.

United will do well or badly with or without the blessing of this forum, but one purpose of a forum is to allow us to express our views (and occasionally learn from others or change our views).

 

[west_yorks_blade]

If you can't see the hierarchy of dangerousness between throwing a smoke cannister and throwing a brick then I really don't know what to say to you.

Are you in favour of people throwing bricks or morally outraged by it?

 

[Punk Blade]

If you can't see the hierarchy of dangerousness between throwing a smoke cannister and throwing a brick then I really don't know what to say to you.

They're both past the threshold of what is illegal and unacceptably dangerous so I don't see the need to differentiate for the purpose of this discussion. Don't do either.

 

[Tyler Durden]

Are you in favour of people throwing bricks or morally outraged by it?

Well I narrowly missed being hit by both last week. I know what I'd be more annoyed about.

 

[BornOnShorehamStreet]

Three threads, two regarding the use of pyrotechnics and one about pitch invasions (oh the humanity). Each of them running into the hundreds of comments.

All that needs to be said about the subject is that it's a bit fucking silly and yes, potentially dangerous. Fortunately the law and ground regulations agree, so that should be the end of the matter.

The continued Mary Whitehouse-esque condemnation is indeed self-righteous, self indulgent bollocks however.

So, those who say Blades using smoke bombs, flares etc at matches are ok and people shouldn't grass them or confront them aren't spouting self-righteous, self-indulgent bollocks then

 

[HodgysBrokenThumb]

In the right hands, such devices aren't weapons. However, in this country they're forbidden, so the only ones carrying them will invariably be the idiots.

Bricks on the other hand are far more dangerous. There were plenty of those lobbed last week. It'd be nice to see more said about that.

I'm still struggling to see your point. Bricks in the right hands are not dangerous, but are useful for building houses. I fail to see why anyone taking either a brick or a pyro into a football ground should not be dealt with. But people are more likely to find the odd brick lying around; thank God football grounds don't generally have lots of discarded flares and smoke bombs in the surrounding area.

 

[Esablade]

'I've got a rocket in my pocket' already

 

[Tyler Durden]

I'm still struggling to see your point. Bricks in the right hands are not dangerous, but are useful for building houses. I fail to see why anyone taking either a brick or a pyro into a football ground should not be dealt with. But people are more likely to find the odd brick lying around; thank God football grounds don't generally have lots of discarded flares and smoke bombs in the surrounding area.

I'm simply saying that having almost being hit by both, I know which deserves the most condemnation.

 

[HodgysBrokenThumb]

I'm simply saying that having almost being hit by both, I know which deserves the most condemnation.

More valid opinion if you'd been hit by both?

 

[Ginger Gnome]

I'm simply saying that having almost being hit by both, I know which deserves the most condemnation.

Being the least bad of the things to be hit with doesn't make it acceptable. Anybody who takes smoke bombs, flares or fireworks to a match deserves whatever they get as it's premeditated being a prick. If anything they hurt the atmosphere rather than help it anyway.

 

[metty]

I'm simply saying that having almost being hit by both, I know which deserves the most condemnation.

Lets have a poll

 

[Tyler Durden]

Being the least bad of the things to be hit with doesn't make it acceptable. Anybody who takes smoke bombs, flares or fireworks to a match deserves whatever they get as it's premeditated being a prick. If anything they hurt the atmosphere rather than help it anyway.

But taking flares or smoke cannisters to a football match doesn't automatically mean wanting to instigate violence. Taking a brick to a football match does.

 

[HodgysBrokenThumb]

But taking flares or smoke cannisters to a football match doesn't automatically mean wanting to instigate violence. Taking a brick to a football match does.

I don't want to, but I'll have to give you that one. The fact that Clarke's just scored is making me go soft.

 

[HodgysBrokenThumb]

I take back my previous post. Post 6 of the Matchday thread has a pic of one of Gage's mates carrying a brick for a good reason!

 

[bladesmanluke]

I'd put it down to late night posting after a drink but unfortunately you have form pretending to be a bit of a plastic hard man. You clearly are a thoughtless, brainless piece of work. Oh and a child birthday cake doesn't burn hotter, not even when it is in the oven.

Must. Engage. Brain.

I don't pretend to be a (plastic?) hardmam. What I'm not though, unlike you clearly, is a complete utter little snowflake upset by a bit of smoke. Man up

 

[shorehamview]

But taking flares or smoke cannisters to a football match doesn't automatically mean wanting to instigate violence. Taking a brick to a football match does.

Not necessarily. It may be that the carrier of said brick is interested in testing the magic integrity of certain items of headgear.

 

[Bladesman]

 

[Tyler Durden]

Beautiful

 

[Ricky]

Well done lads, no doubt we'll pay for that as supporters in some way.

No danger of you carrying that sort of atmosphere into the stadium, but at least you'll look really impressive on Facebook and Twitter.