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We will have to see if the momentum stays with us

The new signings are mostly from League 2 so we shouldnt be surprised if we struggle

However nobody knows how our players will perform with Wilder driving them on

I would have just liked to see some proven quality and a boring mid table would have been fine with me, then next season a bit more proven quality so that we can push on even further.
 



Just a general question for posters who think we'll finish mid table - where do you see us dropping points? What will be our issue?
Mid table last year would be about 55 - 60 points.
I think we will be strong at home, only losing the odd match. So say we win 15 home games, lose 4, and draw 4, that's 49 points at home. So for mid table, we would need 10 points from 23 away games. Which overall would mean we were shit hot at home, but shit away!
Or, do posters see a more general spread of points across both home and away games?
 
St Annington said:
Just a general question for posters who think we'll finish mid table - where do you see us dropping points? What will be our issue?
Mid table last year would be about 55 - 60 points.
I think we will be strong at home, only losing the odd match. So say we win 15 home games, lose 4, and draw 4, that's 49 points at home. So for mid table, we would need 10 points from 23 away games. Which overall would mean we were shit hot at home, but shit away!
Or, do posters see a more general spread of points across both home and away games?
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The big question for me is 2nd season syndrome.

When Wilder joined we were virtually at rock bottom.
He said his philosophy is to be positive, attack with max effort.
We let the oppostion worry about us instead of worrying about the oppostion.

In Blackwell, Wilson and Cloughs first season we played in an open positive style
playing good football and hopes were high for the second season

But for some reason all 3 managers above started worrying about results
And made us more tactically negative worrying about the oppostion.

If Wilder continues with his potive attitude I can see us being like Norwich.
We win 4-0 one week, then lose 0-4 the week after.

Willl our fans accept big losses?
They'll probably say Wilder is tactically naeve and needs to tighten up the midfield and defense.
Gradually we might became more and more cautious.

Will Wilder have the bottle to continue playing an open attacking game
Where we focus on OUR strengths instead of trying to stop the oppostion.
 
A conversation i've been debating all summer with mates is - Who would take losing to Pigs twice and staying up right now.
 
Jon P said:
A conversation i've been debating all summer with mates is - Who would take losing to Pigs twice and staying up right now.
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Certainly not.
Simply staying up would NOT be success.
Doubt Wilder or the players would see it as success either.
The Championship is hardly La Liga ha ha
I saw many games last season and the standard didn't seemed suprisingly poor skill wise
Although I suspect Championship teams must be quicker and stronger.
 
Sheffsteel said:
Certainly not.
Simply staying up would NOT be success.
Doubt Wilder or the players would see it as success either.
The Championship is hardly La Liga ha ha
I saw many games last season and the standard didn't seemed suprisingly poor skill wise
Although I suspect Championship teams must be quicker and stronger.
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All good points. Did you hear Duffys interview recently about him talking about making sure we come away with at least a point from each game next season? Made me wonder how attacking / ambitious we are going to be compared to last season.
 
Sheffsteel said:
If Wilder continues with his potive attitude I can see us being like Norwich.
We win 4-0 one week, then lose 0-4 the week after.
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I for one would accept these results - 'it's the draws that kill you'.

One win, one loss = 3 points.
Two draws = 2 points

But then people get greedy, 'ah but one win and one draw = 4 points!!!!'
 
With the euphoria of last season I thought Tufty is a motivator, he's the next Fergie. Momentum is all.

Then, when the fixtures came out I went through all the games thinking what would be a decent result - and I ended up with 55 points. That would give us 15th or 16th.

What I now want is never to be below 15th. I don't want to feel that sucking force towards the bottom 3. 15th or above all season and a run in one of the cups is how I have now set my expectations.

After that, the club has to decide on its ambitions.

But who knows - it may be Tufty who has the Magic Hat.

Anyhow, 46 seasons in and I still love this feeling in my stomach as a new season draws closer.

UTB & FTP - and you can keep Dooley as you move him!!!!
 
Sheffsteel said:
Simply staying up would NOT be success.
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If "simply staying up" is not a success then where would we have to finish to have a successful season ? I'm thinking we'll finish around lower-mid table and I'll be happy with that.
 
I read part of a research paper the other day, looking at how sports teams play home and away.

The conclusion was that while many teams profess to play the same way when away from home, analysis of the game showed that they generally played about 10 metres closer towards their own goal compared to when playing at home.

Or to put it another way, teams are generally 10 metres further away from their oppositions goal when they gain possession than they would be at home, thus resulting in fewer goal scoring chances created.

So although the Blades might play the same team and essentially the same formation home and away, when playing away matches the secret to success could be in being brave enough to not concede ground, and keep pushed relatively high up the pitch.
 
S12 Blade said:
If "simply staying up" is not a success then where would we have to finish to have a successful season ? I'm thinking we'll finish around lower-mid table and I'll be happy with that.
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For me, staying up is a success. It builds on last season and is the definition of consolidation. Anything above that for me is a bonus.
 
Back to back promotion's would be great but like last time I very much doubt we would be prepared for it.
In fact thinking about it I very much doubt we will be prepared for it when ever it come's .......:(
 
Not a chance in hell will we go up straight away. Team is not good enough, simple as. I would love us to win every game but it ain't happening. Keeping out of the bottom three will be progress.
 
I will write this now to show my skill at forecasting the future.
Who would have guessed back at the start of the 2016/17 season that we would be playing back in the Premiership come the 2018/19 season.
 



I've said this before and I'll say it again, Wilder does not do 2nd or below, he comes top with a shed load of points. He will have one thing on his mind and that doesn't allow anyone finishing above him. The man is a managerial genius.
 
Strike while the iron is hot, ie before other teams work us out. I would imagine most established Championship teams will target the promoted clubs for three points, and therefore play an open game which might benefit us. Last season we had to unlock defensive set-ups most of the time. I expect us to finish in the top half. I think we will be more cohesive than some of the more fancied teams, and more passionately supported.
 
Its possible, but unlikely. Lets not get carried away just yet. We Stormed a shit league, but its a long way off top 6 in the league above that.

Can we do it? I think all the pieces are in place around the club to be able to.... Whether we have enough quality is another thing
 
Jon P said:
A conversation i've been debating all summer with mates is - Who would take losing to Pigs twice and staying up right now.
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no chance, losing to them twice and promotion, yes
 
Sheffsteel said:
The big question for me is 2nd season syndrome.

When Wilder joined we were virtually at rock bottom.
He said his philosophy is to be positive, attack with max effort.
We let the oppostion worry about us instead of worrying about the oppostion.

In Blackwell, Wilson and Cloughs first season we played in an open positive style
playing good football and hopes were high for the second season

But for some reason all 3 managers above started worrying about results
And made us more tactically negative worrying about the oppostion.

If Wilder continues with his potive attitude I can see us being like Norwich.
We win 4-0 one week, then lose 0-4 the week after.

Willl our fans accept big losses?
They'll probably say Wilder is tactically naeve and needs to tighten up the midfield and defense.
Gradually we might became more and more cautious.

Will Wilder have the bottle to continue playing an open attacking game
Where we focus on OUR strengths instead of trying to stop the oppostion.
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I could cope with that.
I'd much rather we were entertaining and expansive against everybody rather than become the club that kills games through fear.

Yes the opponents will know what we are going to do, but if it forces them onto the back foot that can only be a good thing.

We have learned the hard way that negativity doesn't pay and our past managers have lost their jobs because of it. It was absolutely mind numbing most of the time

The coming season is almost like a freebie. A free chuck of the dice.
We can do whatever we like just as long as we stay up, and the coming season should be the blueprint for the type of football we are going to play in future years assuming year on year we get better quality

There will be times when we have to dig in when we are being outplayed, there will be times when a team is obviously much better than us or at least playing better than us on the day, but this should not stop us from contributing to the game and posing our own threat

Show no fear.
If we lose but have played well the fans will be patient and wait a couple of seasons for us to build a good team

Go back to the boring negativity and fans will see no sign of improvement and that's when things are likely to turn sour
 
JJBlade said:
I could cope with that.
I'd much rather we were entertaining and expansive against everybody rather than become the club that kills games through fear.

Yes the opponents will know what we are going to do, but if it forces them onto the back foot that can only be a good thing.

We have learned the hard way that negativity doesn't pay and our past managers have lost their jobs because of it. It was absolutely mind numbing most of the time

The coming season is almost like a freebie. A free chuck of the dice.
We can do whatever we like just as long as we stay up, and the coming season should be the blueprint for the type of football we are going to play in future years assuming year on year we get better quality

There will be times when we have to dig in when we are being outplayed, there will be times when a team is obviously much better than us or at least playing better than us on the day, but this should not stop us from contributing to the game and posing our own threat

Show no fear.
If we lose but have played well the fans will be patient and wait a couple of seasons for us to build a good team

Go back to the boring negativity and fans will see no sign of improvement and that's when things are likely to turn sour
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Totally agree with the "free chuck of the dice" analogy.

Wilder has no need to feel under pressure.
He should continue to let the team play in a relaxed attacking way.
I'd accept a few heavy defeats if it's down to us being over positive.
It makes a change to be really proud of our playing style.
You have to go back to the early 70's with Currie the last time we had a class side playing really attractive football.

Agree Bassett and Warnock gave us action with thrills and spills but we were rarely class like we were last season.
 
Edinblade said:
I've said this before and I'll say it again, Wilder does not do 2nd or below, he comes top with a shed load of points. He will have one thing on his mind and that doesn't allow anyone finishing above him. The man is a managerial genius.
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Twice in 15 years ain't bad.
 
Southampton and Nowich won promotion from L1 and then again to the prem soon after.
Wigan and wolves stormed the same division but struggled after, wigan going straight back down & wolves being around the bottom end of the table, though of course this will change with their new ownership.

As good as we were last season, a dominant L1 team does not equal a top championship team. We simply don't have the class of players to expect being anywhere near the promotion places.

We do however have some players who could play in a top 6 side. Build around them and add quality over and above what we have, and we would have a much better chance. Right now i'd say we're about 5 quality players short of a top side.

I would love to be proven wrong, and of course there's no harm in trying :D
 
JJBlade said:
I could cope with that.
I'd much rather we were entertaining and expansive against everybody rather than become the club that kills games through fear.

Yes the opponents will know what we are going to do, but if it forces them onto the back foot that can only be a good thing.

We have learned the hard way that negativity doesn't pay and our past managers have lost their jobs because of it. It was absolutely mind numbing most of the time

The coming season is almost like a freebie. A free chuck of the dice.
We can do whatever we like just as long as we stay up, and the coming season should be the blueprint for the type of football we are going to play in future years assuming year on year we get better quality

There will be times when we have to dig in when we are being outplayed, there will be times when a team is obviously much better than us or at least playing better than us on the day, but this should not stop us from contributing to the game and posing our own threat

Show no fear.
If we lose but have played well the fans will be patient and wait a couple of seasons for us to build a good team

Go back to the boring negativity and fans will see no sign of improvement and that's when things are likely to turn sour
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You seem to be advocating a sort of 'Blades way' that is within the very DNA of the club. A way that everyone in the club from the U9's to the 1st team buy into. Hell, we could even buy some foreign clubs as feeder teams, and make sure they play the same way, to make sure there is a clear route of progression . . . . . .wait, hang on, are you Kevin McCabe?

BTW I agree with every word you said.
 
SteveBlade said:
I've seen things happen that seemed more unlikely and seen things not happen that seemed likely. Others have happened which most thought could happen but probably wouldn't and others haven't happened where people thought it wouldn't happen.
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Weer did da ear diss pal?
 



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