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Grizzly blade said:
Nobody will come out of this season well, but the reputation damage done to both the club and owner will be completely damning.

In fact it’s so bad and we are so dire that I would t be surprised if the premier league put some measures in place to prevent clubs doing what we are currently. Looking from their vested interest we are damaging the reputation of their “brand” hugely at the moment and could see us as a club being spot balled to ensure we don’t darken their door again.
Over dramatic you may say, and of course they could t possibly be so bold and brazen to do it with that as their stated intent…but we all know the levels of corruption in elite sport can be high and I don’t think for one minute that it’s not in football here.

The owner is saying he’s protecting the clubs future, and financially for a year or two he may be…but beyond that I have serious concerns as a club with our structure and size cannot be run on L1 investment and spending limits, and having screwed up the summer transfer policy AGAIN we can. Have zero faith he has the skill, funds or structure to get fit right in any future window.

Doom monger some may say…but this season may well destroy more than being overspent may have done. The fans. Once they are gone, the club has too.
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Anyone who thinks this is nonsense has not been paying attention to the direction elite football has been going in, for some time now.
 
Pedro's Winger said:
As posted elsewhere.
Better management, smarter transfers/scouting, youth development etc.
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still wouldnt be enough to finish in top half of the modern day premier league unless youve got multi-millionaire owners that can fund buying all the top players you havent got a chance all about whos the richest these days even pep wouldnt have succeeded if he hadnt had an open cheque book at every club hes manages always thought ffp was brought in to make football a more level playing field that was a load of b******s wasnt it
 
ancientblade said:
still wouldnt be enough to finish in top half of the modern day premier league unless youve got multi-millionaire owners that can fund buying all the top players you havent got a chance all about whos the richest these days even pep wouldnt have succeeded if he hadnt had an open cheque book at every club hes manages always thought ffp was brought in to make football a more level playing field that was a load of b******s wasnt it
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Except there are clubs up there that aren’t spending like that.
It can be done.
Granted the times someone other than teams with billions to throw at players win the league probably ended with Leicester, but realistically that was the case even before the premier league which shows how incredible Leicester winning it was.
However we are talking about competing…and even when we went down last time we at least competed occasionally. There’s no way that Man U team that beat us last would have beat us last season…they’d have been beaten easily IMHO.

It’s the woeful transfer business that’s cost us.
Souza…why?? Over Doyle?? Can’t work it out, watching his videos before arriving all I saw was a bloke tackling, did nothing else at all in an inferior league! Sure enough he’s nowhere near good enough to improve us.

Traore- good god, wi t make it in the league below.
Slimane- what was the point?
Larouchi- can’t defend.

With the revenues Premier league football generate there’s no excuse for the team this club is putting out. None.
 
Grizzly blade said:
Seriously, if you cannot see how bad we really are then I feel sorry for you.

Almost beat spurs? But didn’t, and would hardly say we would have deserved the win if we had.
City- complete control in first gear, on another day would have put 5/6 past us.

It’s not about results, defending for our lives simply to keep the score down and claiming we “nearly won or nearly got a point” isn’t indication of anything other than us being dire.
We hardly lay a glove on teams, and are relying on their errors or failings.
Joint top scorer this season is? Yep…OG FFS
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Understood. Revisit on Jan 1. If still as bad as you feel then we have had a crap season, but it may improve. Until then I will continue to believe that these players can individually and collectively perform better than has been shown to date.
 
Grizzly blade said:
Except there are clubs up there that aren’t spending like that.
It can be done.
Granted the times someone other than teams with billions to throw at players win the league probably ended with Leicester, but realistically that was the case even before the premier league which shows how incredible Leicester winning it was.
However we are talking about competing…and even when we went down last time we at least competed occasionally. There’s no way that Man U team that beat us last would have beat us last season…they’d have been beaten easily IMHO.

It’s the woeful transfer business that’s cost us.
Souza…why?? Over Doyle?? Can’t work it out, watching his videos before arriving all I saw was a bloke tackling, did nothing else at all in an inferior league! Sure enough he’s nowhere near good enough to improve us.

Traore- good god, wi t make it in the league below.
Slimane- what was the point?
Larouchi- can’t defend.

With the revenues Premier league football generate there’s no excuse for the team this club is putting out. None.
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Silent Blade said:
Again how do you get better management, smarter transfers, youth development when competing against the big spenders?
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With better managers/coaches. smarter transfers and scouting, and making sure you have the best possible chance to find and develop young players?
It has been done and is currently being done.
 
ancientblade said:
still wouldnt be enough to finish in top half of the modern day premier league unless youve got multi-millionaire owners that can fund buying all the top players you havent got a chance all about whos the richest these days even pep wouldnt have succeeded if he hadnt had an open cheque book at every club hes manages always thought ffp was brought in to make football a more level playing field that was a load of b******s wasnt it
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Didn't we finish top half only three years ago?
Think Brentford might have done similar more recently.
 

Grizzly blade said:
Except there are clubs up there that aren’t spending like that.
It can be done.
Granted the times someone other than teams with billions to throw at players win the league probably ended with Leicester, but realistically that was the case even before the premier league which shows how incredible Leicester winning it was.
However we are talking about competing…and even when we went down last time we at least competed occasionally. There’s no way that Man U team that beat us last would have beat us last season…they’d have been beaten easily IMHO.

It’s the woeful transfer business that’s cost us.
Souza…why?? Over Doyle?? Can’t work it out, watching his videos before arriving all I saw was a bloke tackling, did nothing else at all in an inferior league! Sure enough he’s nowhere near good enough to improve us.

Traore- good god, wi t make it in the league below.
Slimane- what was the point?
Larouchi- can’t defend.

With the revenues Premier league football generate there’s no excuse for the team this club is putting out. None.
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yeah some bad signings there but what else was hecky supposed to do with the pittance abdullah gave him plus doyle was our number 1 choice but the relegation clause scuppered that idea
 
Silent Blade said:
Again how do you get better management, smarter transfers, youth development when competing against the big spenders?
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You start by hiring staff located in Sheffield to focus on what Sheffield United needs in order to improve Sheffield United's outlook. It won't be perfect but the first time UW had any money to spend and no managererial ego to navigate we have swapped Berge for Hamer which is OK but then swapped Ndiaye for Souza, Trusty, Traore, Slimane and the loan for Larouchi. There's almost zero thought been put into that list, one of the players was so poor we had to waste a loan replacing him.

There's no magic fix to make United a PL club on a budget. But there are definitely ways to ensure that people who actually understand what the team requires are the ones with rhe most say in any recruitment.

The gap between Bettis and the first XI manager I'd filled by outsourcing. It shouldn't be
 
ancientblade said:
the premier league has moved on in the last 3 years a leicester will never happen again
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Leicester, a club owned and backed by a billionaire ? Where were Man City and Newcastle before the money arrived ?
Any club with a reasonable catchment area can be taken to the top of the PL given time and money.
 
Carlton Blade said:
There's no magic fix to make United a PL club on a budget. But there are definitely ways to ensure that people who actually understand what the team requires are the ones with rhe most say in any recruitment.
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Such as when you are on a budget competing against the big spenders?
 
Snowflake said:
Leicester, a club owned and backed by a billionaire ? Where were Man City and Newcastle before the money arrived ?
Any club with a reasonable catchment area can be taken to the top of the PL given time and money.
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that was 7 years ago though and was definetly a one off it wont happen again youve only to take a look at the top of the premier league to see that the teams that have spent the most are up there in the top 6 and that sums up the premier league in 2023 their buying success
 
ancientblade said:
that was 7 years ago though and was definetly a one off it wont happen again youve only to take a look at the top of the premier league to see that the teams that have spent the most are up there in the top 6 and that sums up the premier league in 2023 their buying success
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I don’t think the Newcastle take over was 7 years ago.
Why would a club with money and the right directive not be able to compete at the top ? It wouldn’t happen over night, but 3 to 5 years would be sufficient.
 
Silent Blade said:
Such as when you are on a budget competing against the big spenders?
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Do you think United got value for money on the Ndiaye replacements? Did they sign the right sorts of players?

Or are you saying "doesn't matter. Every player under £X isn't good enough so buy whoever. They are all absolutely identical and will provide identical value"?
 
Carlton Blade said:
Do you think United got value for money on the Ndiaye replacements? Did they sign the right sorts of players?

Or are you saying "doesn't matter. Every player under £X isn't good enough so buy whoever. They are all absolutely identical and will provide identical value"?
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No and no. Still waiting for the brainwave answer on how to improve our recruitment, youth development when operating on a low budget. You have an idea?
 
Silent Blade said:
No and no. Still waiting for the brainwave answer on how to improve our recruitment, youth development when operating on a low budget. You have an idea?
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I have an idea that may serve the club well

Don't give contacts to players with atrocious injury records and then don't sign new players who aren't fit?
 

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