Prince believes Wilder has “crossed the line” in alliance with McCabe

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Rodders said:
File this next to “Dynasty, Clough”
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Clough was set up for a Dynasty in every respect. Unprecedented power and personnel, including brother as Head Scout, mucker Asst Manager and 5 other of his men in the management team, Chief Executive ex- Derby wuo worked with him there, excellent wage and transfer budget. All set up for a Dynasty and he blew it in his second year. Shame but his signings and his tactics were just not good enough.

How did you see it Rodders? And what has it to do with this thread anyway.

Please don't hang on my every word ( this one from 2012!!) if you are just going to bring it up way out of context.

I can soon use a number of yours from the past month and they will be in context though.

Would I have done that before this post, no.
 
Woodwardfan said:
Clough was set up for a Dynasty in every respect. Unprecedented power and personnel, including brother as Head Scout, mucker Asst Manager and 5 other of his men in the management team, Chief Executive ex- Derby wuo worked with him there, excellent wage and transfer budget. All set up for a Dynasty and he blew it in his second year. Shame but his signings and his tactics were just not good enough.

How did you see it Rodders? And what has it to do with this thread anyway.

Please don't hang on my every word ( this one from 2012!!) if you are just going to bring it up way out of context.

I can soon use a number of yours from the past month and they will be in context though.

Would I have done that before this post, no.
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That is exactly right about Clough Woody he was given more or less what he asked for (and that includes the desso pitch ) no manager in our history apart from Robson has had that amount of backing , McCabe put his money on the wrong horse twice.
He is third time lucky as he has found the right horse this time,he will back him but I feel the prince is in the way.
Just hope McCabe can wrestle full control back
 
Sothall_Blade said:
http://www.viewfromthejohnstreet.co...n-mccabe?format=amp&__twitter_impression=true

<< CHRIS WILDER has crossed the line and, if he hasn’t gone already, is likely to be shown the door should Prince Abdullah bin Mosaad bin Abdulaziz Al Saud wrestle full control of Sheffield United.

Shocking to hear but that is the take of a reliable source with a close ear to the Saudi royal’s camp, as told to ViewFromTheJohnStreet.com. Prince Abdullah, apparently, is furious with the Blades manager’s recent outburst in which he suggested he may quit.

United’s co-owner, engaged in a bitter power-struggle with Kevin McCabe, views it as a disguised and strategic attempt to side with the latter, in the knowledge Wilder’s standing at the club will influence public opinion against the man from the Middle East. The aim being to force him to back down and eventually relinquish his interests as other investors wait in the wings. ETC>>


I didn’t really get the feeling that Wilder was siding with McCabe against Prince Abdullah.
But if he is then I’m siding with Wilder
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I didn't feel CW was / is siding with KM at all. I just felt CW is frustrated he has not got his budget yet as if you don't get bids in early on June 1st then you can miss out on players you want by being too slow to submit an offer. I don't think CW cares who the owners / owner is ....he just wants to know his budget so he can prepare & plan offers this month. I'm sure there is no subterfuge by Chris .....he's just being his normal straight talking self.
ljk said:
Okay, perhaps I should have worded the question: is a fan a customer of a business (as in a consumer of the product a business sells)?

To answer your question, though...

Firstly, I don't think fans are treated particularly well throughout the sport. I really don't want to start reeling off the trite cliches about super rich individuals using clubs as their playthings, obscene transfer-fees rising in tandem with ticket prices for the people who actually watch the sport etc. I do think they're true, though (and have ended up reeling off cliches...).

Football fans (especially those dedicated to 'their' team) put so much into the club, creating bonds and creating a shared culture (this forum, for example). I don't think it's appropriate to call them customers because, in the case of most other business, customers pay their money and get their product. I would say that, in some respects, we are the product. I enjoy watching the blades with blades. Identifying as a blade, etc. If fans are just customers, it's a slipperly slope to them becoming mere consumers of tickets and merchandise. That's my worry, anyway.

I think being a football fan is more about playing a small part in creating/maintaining a sort of phenomena, and then participating in it with other people. I suppose there's an argument that that in itself is what we're buying (as customers), but I don't think that does justice to the role fans play.
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We don't like it but I suppose we are customers. In that unless you work there or pay for an entry ticket on Match days you can't get in. Which is ok for clubs like Man U who are from all over the globe. But for us it doesn't suit us as we are like a community or a family. For example Man U fans are never able to chat to Man U players. But we all chat to Blades players
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Hamburg Blade said:
Why does it make you uncomfortable? Genuine question - if Wilder was to go, what is it about him that means you wouldn't want him as our new manager? Wilder and McCabe have made sure that he hasn't had anything to do with managing the team to date, so the drop off in form is entirely coincidental.
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It isn't though is it ? It can be weighing heavy on a Manager's mind which means it can be weighing heavy on a player's mind which affects a player's performance. IF the player or players love playing for this manager & dread him leaving. People are people when all is said & done.
 
super_pig said:
that or CW and AK simply didn't want his help. i've seen this in my professional life. never happened to me but the grown ups get their man in who undermines someone who is doing ok and they end up leaving.. happens all the time as i'm sure some of you will know ;)
edit: 'get their man in' .. who is normally fucking useless and it all goes to shit when the really good guy leaves turns out he/she was keeping the whole operation afloat singlehandedly. why do they do this?? another thread .. sorry :D
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The usual excuse for this bad decision is the one successfully in the post is older , maybe too old fashioned , needs someone younger etc etc etc It's usually a massive disaster as the successful one already in post was the best they are ever going to get. So it all goes downhill fast.
 
Hamburg Blade said:
Incorrect on almost every point.
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Not only do I agree with you that almost everything in the previous post was incorrect , it is also my reason for warning against complacency on the part of Blades fans.
When hard-headed successful businessmen are suing each other about its ownership & assets , there can be no sacred cows.
They say one should hope for the best , but plan for the worst.
IN THEORY , my club could suffer fatally from the infighting - that's the worst scenario (for which I have no palatable plan , but I suppose I'd go down the road from Sale to follow Altrincham).
My first hope is therefore that we survive , at the Lane , in any condition.
Better than that would be a bonus.
 
Hamburg Blade said:
High Court? No one's been murdered (yet). Isn't this more a tribunal type court case?
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Hamburg tribunal might deal with £multimillion disputes , but here in Blighty such things are in the High Court.
And the Crown Court deals with murders.
Happy to deal with any further legal questions , to assist
 
The only source I've seen for the Prince's opinion of Wilder is this one dating from October 2017.
For me it answers a lot of questions that the unattributed quotes of Mr Osborne do not:

“Chris loves Sheffield United,” Prince Abdullah said. “He is ‘one of us’ as they say. But I am not daft enough to think Chris is not an ambitious guy. He is loyal but ambitious and so are we. We must match those. I say to my friends: ‘I want him to be the next Sir Alex Ferguson.’ I want him to be here for 15 to 20 years.”
“Look at the record over two and a half years,” Prince Abdullah, a former president of Saudi club Al-Hilal, said. “I think he is a good guy above everything else. I feel that I can trust him. I have worked with some really big name coaches; Eric Gerets, Cosmin Olaroiu and now Chris. I really like him. I like his attitude, he is honest. He is a great coach but he will grow to be even a better coach.

Read more at: https://www.thestar.co.uk/sport/foo...faith-from-co-owner-prince-abdullah-1-8826230

The Prince did a two part interview with the Star last year see below.There are may interesting titbits which explain what a future strategy could be; what a boardroom exit could look like; and what the financial approach was in our first season back in the championship.:

Part One: https://www.thestar.co.uk/sport/foo...bdulaziz-al-saud-interview-part-one-1-8826052

Part Two: https://www.thestar.co.uk/sport/foo...bdulaziz-al-saud-interview-part-two-1-8826088

The Star also printed an article from a source close to the prince re the current takeover (again pinch of salt required). The source, a trusted confidant of Prince Abdullah, explained that while he is prepared to buy the freehold and leaseholds at “a fair market value”, the “immediate priority” is “pushing to promotion.”
Read more at: https://www.thestar.co.uk/sport/foo...revealed-as-takeover-talks-continue-1-9063719

For me,a falling out with Wilder seems unlikely given the above.
 
nopigfansintown said:
The only source I've seen for the Prince's opinion of Wilder is this one dating from October 2017.
For me it answers a lot of questions that the unattributed quotes of Mr Osborne do not:

“Chris loves Sheffield United,” Prince Abdullah said. “He is ‘one of us’ as they say. But I am not daft enough to think Chris is not an ambitious guy. He is loyal but ambitious and so are we. We must match those. I say to my friends: ‘I want him to be the next Sir Alex Ferguson.’ I want him to be here for 15 to 20 years.”
“Look at the record over two and a half years,” Prince Abdullah, a former president of Saudi club Al-Hilal, said. “I think he is a good guy above everything else. I feel that I can trust him. I have worked with some really big name coaches; Eric Gerets, Cosmin Olaroiu and now Chris. I really like him. I like his attitude, he is honest. He is a great coach but he will grow to be even a better coach.

Read more at: https://www.thestar.co.uk/sport/foo...faith-from-co-owner-prince-abdullah-1-8826230

The Prince did a two part interview with the Star last year see below.There are may interesting titbits which explain what a future strategy could be; what a boardroom exit could look like; and what the financial approach was in our first season back in the championship.:

Part One: https://www.thestar.co.uk/sport/foo...bdulaziz-al-saud-interview-part-one-1-8826052

Part Two: https://www.thestar.co.uk/sport/foo...bdulaziz-al-saud-interview-part-two-1-8826088

The Star also printed an article from a source close to the prince re the current takeover (again pinch of salt required). The source, a trusted confidant of Prince Abdullah, explained that while he is prepared to buy the freehold and leaseholds at “a fair market value”, the “immediate priority” is “pushing to promotion.”
Read more at: https://www.thestar.co.uk/sport/foo...revealed-as-takeover-talks-continue-1-9063719

For me,a falling out with Wilder seems unlikely given the above.
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That's interesting but McCabe is not happy with what's going on , although making mistakes he always has the best interests of the club at heart. He wants a sound future for the club if he has doubts ,then he is taking this route to get the best for the club
 
Laney Blade said:
It isn't though is it ? It can be weighing heavy on a Manager's mind which means it can be weighing heavy on a player's mind which affects a player's performance. IF the player or players love playing for this manager & dread him leaving. People are people when all is said & done.
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I refer you to my earlier post #87:
Hamburg Blade said:
But he isn't the manager and although he might have wanted to get involved, he wasn't allowed to. If Wilder's entire ability to manage the team, and the players ability to play well, are affected by the mere presence of someone in the boardroom (which, it transpires, don't even communicate to the playing staff), then I don't hold out much hope for future success under Wilder.
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Personally I don't believe our manager and players are delicate little snowflakes, but if you're right and they are, we don't stand much chance if the slightest little (imagined, i.e. Wilder might be replaced) problem turns promotion form into relegation form.
 
finlaytheblade said:
That's interesting but McCabe is not happy with what's going on , although making mistakes he always has the best interests of the club at heart. He wants a sound future for the club if he has doubts ,then he is taking this route to get the best for the club
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But we don't know precisely why McCabe is unhappy. It's all conjecture. He could just be impatient for the Prince to buy him out so he can retire.
 



Hamburg Blade said:
But we don't know precisely why McCabe is unhappy. It's all conjecture. He could just be impatient for the Prince to buy him out so he can retire.
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Exactly,we need to know what's going on,
All this will have a detrimental effect on season ticket sales,that's another reason to sort it quickly.
 
Panic over. The replacements here.

Saw him in Rother Valley fifteen minutes ago, walking Jamals dogs.

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finlaytheblade said:
That is exactly right about Clough Woody he was given more or less what he asked for (and that includes the desso pitch ) no manager in our history apart from Robson has had that amount of backing , McCabe put his money on the wrong horse twice.
He is third time lucky as he has found the right horse this time,he will back him but I feel the prince is in the way.
Just hope McCabe can wrestle full control back
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Apart from the bit about him saying it in 2012 when Clough didn't arrive until October 2013?
 
SwissBlade said:
Ha ha thats actually quite funny for you. :D

Hows the running going big lad?
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Getting there thanks Swizzler. Making my 10 k debut in a couple of weeks :eek:

Doubt I'll ever get to Ironman standards mind.
 
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