Positives & Negatives

[metalblade]

As it's me, I'll clarify. You live 4 miles away from the lane but "can't bearsed to make a 4 mile bus ride, for the ast 2 years", but want to tell us at every opportunity why McCbe should continue to pump millions into the club elvery year, when you "can't be arsed" to put in a few hundred.
On the contrary I don't think I have ever said he should pump millions in every year, called him short armed with long pockets yes........ more like I think he is more interested in taking back the money he has put in.

I stand by my point that your oipinion is greaty diminished by yourself refusing to actually support the club in any meaningful way.
I thought we had agreed to disagree on this point, would that rule out any overseas posters from having a viewpoint just because they can't get down to the lane ? ............... what actually makes you think I can get to the lane or have any disposable income to do so ? you know very little about me other than your assumptions and you can shove them where the sun don't shine like I said to the other fella I don't know why I bother to have this conversation it isn't like I give a monkeys what you think.

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[Highbury_Blade]

So why bother responding....

 

[alcoblade]

Thanks for the reply that you don't give a monkeys. It's as ironic as the originl point.

As I said previously, people living half way round the world have an ever so slight more reason for non attendance than those living "only a 10 minute bus ride away but can't be arsed these days". I thought it was amazing I had to point that out the first time.

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[metalblade]

Thanks for the reply that you don't give a monkeys. It's as ironic as the originl point.

As I said previously, people living half way round the world have an ever so slight more reason for non attendance than those living "only a 10 minute bus ride away but can't be arsed these days". I thought it was amazing I had to point that out the first time.

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Ah well I'm not special like you, by your way of thinking someone from say Denmark for example could spout any load of bollocks and you would listen to it and agree with it.

 

[alcoblade]

Ah well I'm not special like you, by your way of thinking someone from say Denmark for example could spout any load of bollocks and you would listen to it and agree with it.

No, no, no mate, you really are special.

Your post makes no sense at all, but hey ho.

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[Kenilworth]

It's very underwhelming being knocked out of the league cup by a league 2 side that had a dreadful end to their last season, replaced their manager and had multiple injuries coming into this game.
It's very concerning if true that the Utd players treated it like a warm up, pre-season affair and didn't put enough commitment in to win it.
It's a sad indictment of the state of play at BDTBL that if we had all that possession and that many chances that we did not win the match.
I see very little positives from this result but perhaps the worst part is that the players who are still with us from last season have learned ntohing from the match in May. Penalty shoot out = pressure = failure = same owd, same owd.

Bottle = None
................... and it does not bode well for the season to come. If they cannot be bothered now against lowly Burton Albion - who have never wonm at BDTBL before, then what's to say they can turn it on against Crawley, Stevenage, Crewe etc. when it matters - and when it is much tougher?

Winning is an attitude, a habit, something driven by a hunger and a desire.
We are not a social club with an amateur status where results don't matter - the taking part is the be all and end all. We are supposed to be a professional football club and that is a results business - whatever competition you enter. Anything else is just short changing your supporters.

Cup matches are the only chance of getting additional revenue this season and we have blown one big chance of helping ourselves in this area. Shooting ourselves in the foot is becoming a major habit. For those of you unaware even pigs are getting air play tonight and more revenue to add to their season in the Chanmpionship FFS!

If anyone is happy with this defeat and this state of affairs and accepts it as just a Micky Mouse competition we are well rid of then we are on to a hiding to nothing. That's where the apathy is, that's what's embarassing - the excuses for failure are rife - and totally without justification.

 

[TarquinDelouche]

If anyone is happy with this defeat and this state of affairs and accepts it as just a Micky Mouse competition we are well rid of then we are on to a hiding to nothing. That's where the apathy is, that's what's embarassing - the excuses for failure are rife - and totally without justification.

It's a bit of a stretch to link "accepts it is a Mickey Mouse competition" with "happy with this defeat". Similarly, I doubt you'd find too many people on here that are actually happy about the result. I just don't think there should be any shame in being able to accept that once in a while your team is going to lose to a smaller club.

 

[Kenilworth]

It's a bit of a stretch to link "accepts it is a Mickey Mouse competition" with "happy with this defeat". Similarly, I doubt you'd find too many people on here that are actually happy about the result. I just don't think there should be any shame in being able to accept that once in a while your team is going to lose to a smaller club.

I wish it were once in a while Tarquers. In recent cup competitions we have lost to:

• Burton Albion
• Bradford
• Port Vale
• Hartlepool

Then you can include any defeat in the league last season

Then most defeats in the championship the season before

There's a pattern for sure. It's not a good one.

 

[alcoblade]

I wish it were once in a while Tarquers. In recent cup competitions we have lost to:

• Burton Albion
• Bradford
• Port Vale
• Hartlepool

Then you can include any defeat in the league last season


Then most defeats in the championship the season before

There's a pattern for sure. It's not a good one.

But it's just the pattern of decline that we're all well were of. If accepting that as a third division club we're going to lose to some third division clubs, is apathetic - then apathy is rife. I'm not sure what the alternative is though?

I don't know anyone who's happy with us being a third division club. That's a different story.

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[Revolution]

United had never lost at home to a fourth tier side until 2009. Now we've done it 3 times in 4 years. Pathetic.

 

[Grecian2000]

United had never lost at home to a fourth tier side until 2009. Now we've done it 3 times in 4 years. Pathetic.

Which is most worrying though, the fact it now happens so regularly or the fact there are so many who don't seem to care about it?
I would say the second myself, once this attitude flourishes it can be hard to get rid of.

PS. I would also like to add that I think it's complete shite to start this competition BEFORE the league season has actually kicked off.

 

[Kenilworth]

But it's just the pattern of decline that we're all well were of. If accepting that as a third division club we're going to lose to some third division clubs, is apathetic - then apathy is rife.
I'm not sure what the alternative is though? I don't know anyone who's happy with us being a third division club. That's a different story.

Three of those were league 2 clubs when they beat us alcoblade
Then the "it's only a Micky Mouse cup competition that will act as a distraction from the league" comments come out.

The reality is that a good cup run brings in additional revenue, gives the supporters a lift and helps DW invest in the team, which in turn, improves results and builds yet more confidence. Most challengers for titles have good cup runs because it is an indication of how difficult to beat the team is, an indicator of their resolve and fortitude, if you like. No disgrace in getting bundled out of a cup competion by one of the big clubs (except if it is by 5 or 6 by their youth team) but Port Vale, Bradford, and Burton? FFS!

To me this is an indicator of their bottle, their will to win and their capability to deliver - so far, from one competitive match, all indicators are low to empty. We will see what affect this has on them when the mightly Shrewsbury come to town on Saturday - a 4-0 drubbing away at the dirties will test the Shrews resolve. Let's see if our boys are up for it then eh?

BTW - I'll bet most of our players think that resolve and fortitude are a mixture of a hangover cure and a laxitive.

 

[Patrick Suffaux]

I dont understand what is required from posters to show that they care. Should everyone moan? I dont understand where that argument is coming from. Genuinely. I cant imagine any Blade enjoyed being beaten by a fourth tier side at home but it's happened, so what are we to do/say?

I read posts on here most days and all I can glean from them is; if you just accept it and vote with your feet you're apathetic and dont care about the club. If you keep going to games and remain positive you're a clapper.

I'm not picking on your post here Grecian, I understand where you're coming from but I dont understand what is expected of fellow Blades anymore. Are we not supporting in the right way?

 

[alcoblade]

Three of those were league 2 clubs when they beat us alcoblade
Then the "it's only a Micky Mouse cup competition that will act as a distraction from the league" comments come out.

The reality is that a good cup run brings in additional revenue, gives the supporters a lift and helps DW invest in the team, which in turn, improves results and builds yet more confidence. Most challengers for titles have good cup runs because it is an indication of how difficult to beat the team is, an indicator of their resolve and fortitude, if you like. No disgrace in getting bundled out of a cup competion by one of the big clubs (except if it is by 5 or 6 by their youth team) but Port Vale, Bradford, and Burton? FFS!

To me this is an indicator of their bottle, their will to win and their capability to deliver - so far, from one competitive match, all indicators are low to empty. We will see what affect this has on them when the mightly Shrewsbury come to town on Saturday - a 4-0 drubbing away at the dirties will test the Shrews resolve. Let's see if our boys are up for it then eh?

BTW - I'll bet most of our players think that resolve and fortitude are a mixture of a hangover cure and a laxitive.

There's an awful lot of truth in what you've posted, and not much that I disagree with. My point is that it's an easy jump from "should have won" to "it's because they're apathetic", but it's not backed by any reason that's obvious to me.

We've won all our pre seson games, then lost this one on pens. A mixed bag, with mixed signals and mixed reasons for optimism this season. I don't see why any of it means the players or fans are apathetic.

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[alcoblade]

I dont understand what is required from posters to show that they care. Should everyone moan? I dont understand where that argument is coming from. Genuinely. I cant imagine any Blade enjoyed being beaten by a fourth tier side at home but it's happened, so what are we to do/say?

I read posts on here most days and all I can glean from them is; if you just accept it and vote with your feet you're apathetic and dont care about the club. If you keep going to games and remain positive you're a clapper.

I'm not picking on your post here Grecian, I understand where you're coming from but I dont understand what is expected of fellow Blades anymore. Are we not supporting in the right way?

Very good points. It's a discussion baord, but there's a few posters who can only see shit full stop and some only shit when we lose (and I don't mean Kenny here). I've got mates like it and it's the way of the world an it's fair enough. But I don't see the point of frequenting discussion boards and declaring "there's nothing to discuss. We lost, we're shit".

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[Kenilworth]

Patrick Suffaux We are all doing what we can - it's just not being reciprocated by those that wear the shirt.

In general it's clear that those that criticise get branded as blasphemers whereas them that call everything Rosy & Pure get slated for being as bad as substance abusers. the reality is that if the lads on the pitch were doing the business the topics of conversation on here would be wholly different.

Feel free to post what you like. I for one don't get offended very easily - it's a free country.

 

[Kenilworth]

There's an awful lot of truth in what you've posted, and not much that I disagree with. My point is that it's an easy jump from "should have won" to "it's because they're apathetic", but it's not backed by any reason that's obvious to me.

We've won all our pre seson games, then lost this one on pens. A mixed bag, with mixed signals and mixed reasons for optimism this season. I don't see why any of it means the players or fans are apathetic.

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No probs alcoblade. Just to clarify. The apathy comment was directed at those that think this defeat is nothing to be concerned about - at the "it's just a poxy cup competition" attitude. I actually think this is a big deal because it reflects how the team is performing as a unit and also shows their state of readiness to compete in what will be a tough, tough league campaign. This defeat at home to a lower league club, with 10 men, on penalties (when it should have all been done and dusted inthe regulation 90) is a real and tangible measure of the preparation for this season and their collective mental attitude - and this worries me.

When I see the effort and commitment from those competing in the Olympics (from all countries) and then I think of the guys that are "earning" a living at our expense (and that of the much maligned chairman who, whatever people view of him, is keeping this club afloat) in the colours that we follow I see a perspective that fails to equate.

I don't think the players are apathetic - just that most of them are something that sounds similar.

 

[TarquinDelouche]

I wish it were once in a while Tarquers. In recent cup competitions we have lost to:

• Burton Albion
• Bradford
• Port Vale
• Hartlepool

Then you can include any defeat in the league last season


Then most defeats in the championship the season before

There's a pattern for sure. It's not a good one.

So you mean any defeat to teams below the level of Premiership standard should be met with howls of despair? I'm sorry, I just can't do it. I'm a realist.

 

[Kenilworth]

So you mean any defeat to teams below the level of Premiership standard should be met with howls of despair? I'm sorry, I just can't do it. I'm a realist.

No, no, no, no Tarquers, my old realist with the propitious poops.

There are many teams that I think we should not be beaten by I'll admit that. I am not averse to losing in a one off game to a plucky team who absolutely nails it on the day and warrants the victory because they excelled. The reality is that we succomb to this type of defeat all too easily - where we have under performed, shown too little heart or bottle, not been good enough, etc. - It's not a case of us being "unlucky" all the time as that's simply untrue and flies in the face of any serious statistical analysis.

Oh, and by the way, please tell me the most recent occasions where we actually prevailed by being that plucky team that overcame the odds and prevailed against much classier opposition. Then take away the ones where we have screwed it over and see what the balance is.

 

[TarquinDelouche]

Oh, and by the way, please tell me the most recent occasions where we actually prevailed by being that plucky team that overcame the odds and prevailed against much classier opposition. Then take away the ones where we have screwed it over and see what the balance is.

Well, I could be wrong here, but from my memory, we have a balanced history of losing to teams around us, losing to teams above us, plus a smattering of losing to teams below us. As far as "plucky underdogs" you'd have to go back to the 07/08 season when we beat Bolton and Man City and taking Boro to a replay - all Prem teams when we were in the Championship. Before that, I'm sure we can all remember many great evenings against sides higher than us.

Perhaps some people are so annoyed because we have a decent cup history in the recent past?

 

[metalblade]

So you mean any defeat to teams below the level of Premiership standard should be met with howls of despair? I'm sorry, I just can't do it. I'm a realist.

I'm not having a go here Tarquin but the thing is we lost to Burton Albion who are not just below Premiership standard they are League Two and lucky to be that after last year (10pts above going out of the league) I understand what you are saying and yes history is littered with giant killings in the cups jeez we have beaten lots of higher level teams between 2002/03 and the season we went into the Premiership but come on since that season at the top it has been a downward spiral. When we needed to beat Wigan you could see what was coming same at every play off final we go to you know what will happen, same every transfer window you know we will lose one of our better players even when Ched went to court you knew the likely outcome. Burton was just another result that was likely to happen call it lack of bottle in big games call it what you will there is a losing culture at Bramall lane and there has been since 2007. Take last season how many knew deep down that we would let a poor pig team overtake us how many knew we would fuck up in the play off's. That's the sort of stuff that upsets me you can see it coming without being a clairvoyant because it is not just a one off, if it were I could accept that but the same shit happens over and over and once it starts it is very hard to turn it round.

 

[TarquinDelouche]

Burton was just another result that was likely to happen call it lack of bottle in big games....

This is the thing - I wouldn't have called Saturday's match a "big game". I think I'd probably be more annoyed if it happened in the third round, when we'd been playing far a few weeks as a proper unit. As it was, it almost seemed like a pre-season match. We had a front line that is still not anywhere close to being settled, facing a team who understandably wanted it more. The league is far more important to us, both in terms of results and collective team performances.

But I do agree with you fully. We don't "do" reliability. When the play off final went to penalties I stopped watching because ... well... you know.

 

[alcoblade]

Oh, and by the way, please tell me the most recent occasions where we actually prevailed by being that plucky team that overcame the odds and prevailed against much classier opposition.

I think that's a price we've paid for giving up "blood and guts" for a more "aestheticlly pleasing" game.

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[metalblade]

I think Kenilworth covered the positives of getting a win over Burton I don't see any at all in defeat sorry, yeah I agree we had a few players in who were knew to each other as they only arrived last week. There you go though waiting around for Porter, McDonald and Williamson to make up their mind maybe hasn't helped. Then there is the farce with only naming 5 substitutes, someone needs an arse kicking for not knowing or forgetting the rules leaving players sat watching from the south stand when they could have done a job on the pitch, pure unprofessionalism in my eyes.

 

[Rodley]

I dont understand what is required from posters to show that they care. Should everyone moan? I dont understand where that argument is coming from. Genuinely. I cant imagine any Blade enjoyed being beaten by a fourth tier side at home but it's happened, so what are we to do/say?

I read posts on here most days and all I can glean from them is; if you just accept it and vote with your feet you're apathetic and dont care about the club. If you keep going to games and remain positive you're a clapper.

I'm not picking on your post here Grecian, I understand where you're coming from but I dont understand what is expected of fellow Blades anymore. Are we not supporting in the right way?

Nail on head.