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For or against a new ownership/fresh investment

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For what it's worth I have nothing bad to say about the Prince really, given that he gave Wilder huge amounts of money. As a result though it seems there's now no more money, he has had to remortgage, borrow etc.

Seems to me that a new ownership or fresh investment is required to even start looking at seriously challenging for the play offs, let alone returning to the premier league.
 



I think new ownership is a separate entity from fresh investment. I think the Prince does have a vision for the club to move forward but there has to be question marks over whether he has the funds available to achieve it.

I think out of the two its investment thats the biggest stumbling block rather than the actual ownership.
 
While I think we're a pretty badly run club, and wouldn't be shedding any tears if the Prince left, a new owner isn't required for us to be challenging at this level. Teams like Luton, Millwall and Coventry are challenging for the play offs. How much have they spent to do so?

Plus, it would depend on the new owner. Since the Prince became sole owner, it's pretty much been a disaster on and off the pitch (not just for us, but seemingly for the rest of "United World" too), but that's not all down to him. And there's no guarantee that a new board would be any more competent. Whatever one says about our owner, he's not even the most clueless owner in Sheffield. It could be worse.
 
What good would investment do ?

The better a players reputation the least United will manage to get out of him

We should stick to what we're good at...........hoofers and hackers without a footballing braincell between them.

They can be driven on by a madman in the dugout from Sheffield who'll "eff" them inside out every time their lack of footballing braincells show that they have a lack of footballing braincells,

And they'll be driven on by a crowd who wouldn't know or understand quality if it bit their bollocks off

It's the only thing that works at this club, and the only thing that ever will

And people wonder why it's always other clubs that get major investment
 
Unless we happen upon a Wilder or Warnock who can get us up on a pittance (happens once every 10 years), we’ll need some cash coming into the club as the parachute payments start to drop off a cliff.
 
If only we had two co owners of middling ability or desire to invest rather than one...oh hang on...we did!
 
If investment means spending money we haven't got, and that we can never hope to generate to service the debt. (As I suspect it does). Naaaah mate, you're alright. I'll just have a football club I can support, playing a key role in the local community and being in whatever league it's in on the meritocracy of how many goals it scores. "Ambition" is not just about how many points you've got, it's about what sort of club you are ... but you knew that already.
 
Barney said:
For what it's worth I have nothing bad to say about the Prince really, given that he gave Wilder huge amounts of money. As a result though it seems there's now no more money, he has had to remortgage, borrow etc.

Seems to me that a new ownership or fresh investment is required to even start looking at seriously challenging for the play offs, let alone returning to the premier league.
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I'm for new ownership but against investment that further cements links to Saudi Arabia
 
Rodley said:
Unless we happen upon a Wilder or Warnock who can get us up on a pittance (happens once every 10 years), we’ll need some cash coming into the club as the parachute payments start to drop off a cliff.
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This. We need money to compete, survive, rebuild. We currently have next to nowt to spend and this is our STRONGEST financial position, before parachute payments decrease. It's looking very bleak, IMO and I'm a chuffing clapper.

What's needed is a rebuild, a loss of higher wages, and a sensible use of what resource we do have to build again, by finding the next Stevens, Baldock, Fleck etc at a point where their careers are on the up, they have a point to prove and they won't cost the earth.
 
Ball_Sup (Phil) said:
If investment means spending money we haven't got, and that we can never hope to generate to service the debt. (As I suspect it does). Naaaah mate, you're alright. I'll just have a football club I can support, playing a key role in the local community and being in whatever league it's in on the meritocracy of how many goals it scores. "Ambition" is not just about how many points you've got, it's about what sort of club you are ... but you knew that already.
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I respect your opinion but we shouldnt so readily accept mediocrity for United and the 5th largest city in the UK. Compared to Manchester and London we've had medicority for too long. Hopefully there's a prospective buyer out there who realises this
 



Goes without saying we need investment to fulfil our potential.

I've no problem with people having ethics and morals where it comes from however.

Whilst we all need a sense of perspective about where we stand in the order of things, I'm not one of these fans who wears our long term mediocrity as a badge of honour.

Considering that pretty much every other club of a similar stature to us, and a good few smaller, have all achieved much bigger things than us in my lifetime, I'd really like to see us have day in the sun before I depart.

The odd season in the Prem (including finishing 9th) and some cup semi finals don't quite cut it.

I'd like to think we can do at least one thing special in a lifetime considering our size.
 
We are Sheffield United. IT-will-never-happen. Might not be ideal at the moment but IMHO its better than what was before. We are no longer a "selling club" at ridiculous prices. We are just still not a buying club.
Davalon said:
I'd like to think we can do at least one thing special in a lifetime considering our size.
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Finishing 9th in the PL was pretty special, need to thank what you can get.
 
Barney said:
I respect your opinion but we shouldnt so readily accept mediocrity for United and the 5th largest city in the UK. Compared to Manchester and London we've had medicority for too long. Hopefully there's a prospective buyer out there who realises this
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Where, where, where did my post say I was accepting mediocrity? There is nothing mediocre about being a well run football club, generating revenue, attracting large, passionate crowds, being a beacon for the local community, giving people something to belong to. That's not mediocre is it?
Faceless, here today, gone tomorrow, put it back in the loft, have a look at this spreadsheet football clubs requiring more "investment" (call it what it is - fucking debt). How mediocre.....
 
varkanoid said:
We are Sheffield United. IT-will-never-happen. Might not be ideal at the moment but IMHO its better than what was before. We are no longer a "selling club" at ridiculous prices. We are just still not a buying club.


Finishing 9th in the PL was pretty special, need to thank what you can get.
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It was considering where we'd been a few years before.

My point is more about achieving something truly special over several decades though.

A cup win...or even a final or maybe even qualifying for Europe.

Until that happens we're arguably the most underachieving club pound for pound in my lifetime.
 
I'm torn on the issue. On one hand I like that we've not sold our soul to become another all-so-ran throwing money around left, right and centre. We're still a traditional club that still retains some values of decency among a back drop of clubs flaunting theirs for their 'shot at the big-time'. On the other hand I'm well aware that with our current ownership we're never likely to see us play at the top level fora sustained period or ever really stand a chance of winning anything in my lifetime. Football has changed, for better and for worse, if we don't attract investment we'll likely stagnate and remain a decent Championship club for the next 20/30 years. Is that bad? Not sure it is but it's hardly exciting.
 
Kozzy_is_my_Dad said:
........What's needed is a rebuild, a loss of higher wages, and a sensible use of what resource we do have to build again, by finding the next Stevens, Baldock, Fleck etc at a point where their careers are on the up, they have a point to prove and they won't cost the earth......
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This everyday and twice on Sundays
 
Ball_Sup (Phil) said:
Where, where, where did my post say I was accepting mediocrity? There is nothing mediocre about being a well run football club, generating revenue, attracting large, passionate crowds, being a beacon for the local community, giving people something to belong to. That's not mediocre is it?
Faceless, here today, gone tomorrow, put it back in the loft, have a look at this spreadsheet football clubs requiring more "investment" (call it what it is - fucking debt). How mediocre.....
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I'm talking about winning trophies and league position. You're talking about the things you listed which I didnt mention. So we're talking about different things
 
Every championship club could do with some investment. But when people start saying we need a new owner cause we’ve had a shit 18 months and previous manager has bought poorly. It’s embarrassing. Sound like West Ham and Newcastle fans
 
A point to consider. It's entirely possible to attract investment on a large scale and to retain values, be at the heart of your local community, generate revenue (for the club and the wider area). I look at Man City, albeit as an extreme example, they've transformed the surrounding area and retained extremely 'local' links to the communities around them. I imagine the club must employ thousands of people be it through their academies or outreach programmes. I don't see one or the other face of the coin being entirely exclusive of the other but it's undoubtedly a very fine line to tread to get things 'right'.
 
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Barney said:
I'm talking about winning trophies and league position. You're talking about the things you listed which I didnt mention. So we're talking about different things
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Fine. I'll take your word that you understand I'm not accepting mediocrity. I'm full of ambition for my club.
 



I think the Prince is a good owner, I'd like the Prince + more money, but I don't want us to spend what we've not got and I've always said that.

I'd hate for us to start fiddling the books like Wednesday, I'd be ashamed.
 
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