PL clubs taking furlough payment option

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It’s at such odds with CW’s interview on Football Focus that made you reassured we would always do the right thing.
I know he doesn’t hold power over the money side of things but I imagine he’s really not impressed with this.
 

If Burnley, having made a profit for the last 3 years are going to run out of money in August, what do you think United's position is going to be?

If we're losing money from TV, matchday revenue and sponsorship then what option do we have? The situation is massively uncertain, we haven't got a clue how long this will last and we have no control over the situation either.
 
Shocking from the club. I hope people who were criticising Liverpool and Spurs are just as outraged now. We may not have the same resources they do but surely we can afford to pay our staff.
 
Akinbiyi said:
Surely the players are embarrassed? Sitting there on full pay at 30/40k a week while Janice in the kitchen who prepares their breakfast every week is going to be paid her 22k a YEAR monthly by the government
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If I remember rightly our wage bill last season was £19m? That’s about £1.6m each month. If as suggested elsewhere these 50 people are being paid £2000 a month (which they will not be), that’s £100k a month, of which we are saving £80k per month through the furlough scheme. Or 0.05% per month of the wages paid last season...
 
I own my own business. It's closed and I have furloughed all my staff. They are paid weekly and I have paid them their full wage. Waiting for the 80% is tough on the cash flow but I'm OK at present.

This crisis is not going to be over by April 30th. The health of the nation is paramount but as the numbers start to drop the Chancellor will start to take centre stage.

Before the end of April there will be many small businesses looking to the Chancellor again to try and find some more money to keep them afloat.

Premier league clubs (and there'll be other cash rich businesses doing the same) taking from the 'pot' now will put pressure on the Chancellor to find the money to support businesses like mine post April.
 
50 casual staff. That's basically the people at the catering kiosks and what? Programme sellers? Do stewards count?

I'd like to know exactly what positions we're talking about here, but if it's the likes of the above, they make very little. Wouldn't it make sense to avoid a shitshow and just fork out for them?

Furthermore, as Blades Analytics has pointed out, so much of what we have built is forged around goodwill and connection with the community. On the surface of things, and until we get further details, this just seems like a very unnecessary step to take.
 
Really disappointed if United do this. Paying the wages of a few non playing staff is not going to put the future of the club in jeopardy no matter how they might spin it. Premier League clubs especially, by doing this are further enhancing the image of greed within the game.

When and if this is eventually all over, expect repercussions big time from the government.
 
TomJonesBlade said:
50 casual staff. That's basically the people at the catering kiosks and what? Programme sellers? Do stewards count?

I'd like to know exactly what positions we're talking about here, but if it's the likes of the above, they make very little. Wouldn't it make sense to avoid a shitshow and just fork out for them?

Furthermore, as Blades Analytics has pointed out, so much of what we have built is forged around goodwill and connection with the community. On the surface of things, and until we get further details, this just seems like a very unnecessary step to take.
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The catering is done under contract by an external provider
 
TomJonesBlade said:
50 casual staff. That's basically the people at the catering kiosks and what? Programme sellers? Do stewards count?

I'd like to know exactly what positions we're talking about here, but if it's the likes of the above, they make very little. Wouldn't it make sense to avoid a shitshow and just fork out for them?
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As you point out, it's difficult when we don't know the figures involved. It's OK saying we should pay now we're a Premier League club, but let's face it the club's finances have been crap for years. We shouldn't just turn into another Premier League club who throw money around and lose all sense of how to run a business.

If we don't use furlough, where will that money come from? Say it ends up with another £10 on season tickets, I think the vast majority would be OK with that. What if the rest of the season is behind closed doors? Might end up being an extra £50 on season tickets? Are we all going to be happy with that?

I understand the backlash, but it's a very difficult situation and not black and white.
 
Nicolaus_Copernicus said:
The catering is done under contract by an external provider
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Aye. Compass, perhaps? This is what I mean about knowing exactly who we're on about here.

YES Blade said:
As you point out, it's difficult when we don't know the figures involved. It's OK saying we should pay now we're a Premier League club, but let's face it the club's finances have been crap for years. We shouldn't just turn into another Premier League club who throw money around and lose all sense of how to run a business.

If we don't use furlough, where will that money come from? Say it ends up with another £10 on season tickets, I think the vast majority would be OK with that. What if the rest of the season is behind closed doors? Might end up being an extra £50 on season tickets? Are we all going to be happy with that?

I understand the backlash, but it's a very difficult situation and not black and white.
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Precisely. We need more information on the specifics of it all. I'll hold off on laying into the club over this for now. It just doesn't look great at this moment in time.

On the plus side, I suppose it gives us something to talk about. Sigh.
 
YES Blade said:
As you point out, it's difficult when we don't know the figures involved. It's OK saying we should pay now we're a Premier League club, but let's face it the club's finances have been crap for years. We shouldn't just turn into another Premier League club who throw money around and lose all sense of how to run a business.

If we don't use furlough, where will that money come from? Say it ends up with another £10 on season tickets, I think the vast majority would be OK with that. What if the rest of the season is behind closed doors? Might end up being an extra £50 on season tickets? Are we all going to be happy with that?

I understand the backlash, but it's a very difficult situation and not black and white.
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Players are getting their £30/40k a week but others on £1k a month aren't getting it to ensure we're not "throwing money around and losing sense of how to run a business"?
 
Rodders said:
Players are getting their £30/40k a week but others on £1k a month aren't getting it to ensure we're not "throwing money around and losing sense of how to run a business"?
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They are getting 100% of their money, it's just that the government are paying 80%. The players are on fixed term contracts so it's a completely different situation, but they'll be taking a pay cut anyway.
 
If I was in charge of Sky sports I would be taking this as an opportunity to say “ look we will pay the TV money in full but.. we want a legally binding contract for the TV rights for the next five years after the current contract ends”
 

LoughboroBlade said:
If I remember rightly our wage bill last season was £19m? That’s about £1.6m each month. If as suggested elsewhere these 50 people are being paid £2000 a month (which they will not be), that’s £100k a month, of which we are saving £80k per month through the furlough scheme. Or 0.05% per month of the wages paid last season...
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£40m
 
YES Blade said:
They are getting 100% of their money, it's just that the government are paying 80%. The players are on fixed term contracts so it's a completely different situation, but they'll be taking a pay cut anyway.
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There's a limit on the 80% clawback. The club will still be paying the vast majority of player wages if the contracts are adhered to.
 
I'll hang fire before I start throwing shit at the club until we understand exactly what roles are affected and how it impacts the income of the people involved. BUT what I will say is that in my opinion it is totally immoral that these multi million pound businesses who are more than happy to take money from anyone willing to throw it at them and to pay the extortionate wages prem players get, are even thinking about furloughing the low paid staff and taking tax payers money to pay their wages.

I'm really struggling thinking about being able to support a business (football) at all moving forward and only my love of The Blades is keeping me interested but I have to say that if they go down this route and it really does impact those staff on the lowest salaries, this could well be the end of my 55 years of watching them as I couldn't support a club or business with these morals. I never ever thought I'd feel like this and at christmas couldn't have imagined this given how much I'm enjoying this season but I am so close because I really do feel so strongly about this (as bornablade says, football clubs taking out of this pot will definitely impact amounts available to small businesses and the jobs of their employees - thanks footballing Gods, this is a classic 😭
 
Sean Thornton said:
Shield suggests it a done deal, Giddings says decision not yet made.....

Mmmm.
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One wonders which storyline would generate more clicks for The Star's website. Not that I'm suggesting there's any form of ulterior motive whatsoever.
 
him behind you said:
I'll hang fire before I start throwing shit at the club until we understand exactly what roles are affected and how it impacts the income of the people involved. BUT what I will say is that in my opinion it is totally immoral that these multi million pound businesses who are more than happy to take money from anyone willing to throw it at them and to pay the extortionate wages prem players get, are even thinking about furloughing the low paid staff and taking tax payers money to pay their wages.

I'm really struggling thinking about being able to support a business (football) at all moving forward and only my love of The Blades is keeping me interested but I have to say that if they go down this route and it really does impact those staff on the lowest salaries, this could well be the end of my 55 years of watching them as I couldn't support a club or business with these morals. I never ever thought I'd feel like this and at christmas couldn't have imagined this given how much I'm enjoying this season but I am so close because I really do feel so strongly about this (as bornablade says, football clubs taking out of this pot will definitely impact amounts available to small businesses and the jobs of their employees - thanks footballing Gods, this is a classic 😭
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If the club (or any football club for that matter) where using furlough as a way to maximise profits, then I would agree it's totally immoral to take tax payers money in this way. But as things stand, the club is in massive danger of running out of money within the next few months, so if it saves the club a few hundred grand in the short term, then we've got to consider it.

I think the best thing the club could do is to say this is to safe guard the future of the club and is taking place along with the players taking a pay cut, if/when the situation improves, the club will pay back the money to the government or make a charitable donation to the value of money received.
 
Disappointing if true that the Club haven't waited until the negotiations with the PFA have concluded. Taylor however is being his usual odious self demanding players have control over where any deducted money goes, which is ridiculous. The simple solution is to agree that all football staff and senior management at Clubs take a 30% salary cut to protect the future of the Clubs finances and continue to cover the full cost of low level staff's wages.

As its reported its as little as 50 casual staff when there are significantly more people employed by the Club you wonder what the logic is behind this hopefully the Club will issue a statement on this. Its unfortunate that this has been leaked by the local hack without the Club being given an opportunity to explain themselves.

Anyone who thought we were not in the same position as the likes of Burnley is burying their head in the sand. All EPL clubs are owed a final payment of £20m from Sky on completion of the season and then there is the league position payment which will make up most of the reported £41m loss together with revenue from 4 outstanding Home games. If Covid 19 hadn't happened the Club would be preparing for season ticket revenue now so there is little in the way of revenue coming into the Club at the moment when the salaries of the high earners have to be met.

Finally the additional costs of going through a difficult arbitration process and the ensuing costs when an outcome is achieved will all add to the financial pressure on the Club.

Looking like a PR own goal for the suggested small amount of money involved.
 
Harry's Game said:
If I was in charge of Sky sports I would be taking this as an opportunity to say “ look we will pay the TV money in full but.. we want a legally binding contract for the TV rights for the next five years after the current contract ends”
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Though sky themselves are currently taking a huge hit by suspending all sky sports contracts, that's potentially 9 figures they're giving up.
 

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