Another nail in the PL coffin...

[Brownieblade]

The NFL is a completely different kettle of fish to English (and most other) football though.

You walk in a stadium and you’re rinsed from the second you walk in to the second you leave. Beers are $16 a pint, food is extortionate. You can’t take anything of your own into the ground.

You can quite easily go to a football match and not spend a penny while you’re in the ground, do you think you can at an American football game?!

Players are paid a shitload for 16 games per season (plus playoffs if they get there).

We shouldn’t be using the NFL as a template for any kind of football. It’s ‘sporting entertainment’ rather than the sport we’re used to seeing at Brits.

Absolutely none of that matters with all due respect

I used it as an example of a league where before the IS series started the old traditionalists said it wouldn’t last and it has

It would be great as I said if they reduced season ticket prices etc but in terms of the actual reality of playing games outside of the country it won’t change a thing, fans will still follow it and watch it

IS is about building and maintaining a brand outside of us, not how much money they get in the stadium at IS games

Just like they have with the NFL

If it chooses to go down that route

 

[Houston_Blade]

Absolutely none of that matters with all due respect

I used it as an example of a league where before the IS series started the old traditionalists said it wouldn’t last and it has

It would be great as I said if they reduced season ticket prices etc but in terms of the actual reality of playing games outside of the country it won’t change a thing, fans will still follow it and watch it

IS is about building and maintaining a brand outside of us, not how much money they get in the stadium at IS games

Just like they have with the NFL

If it chooses to go down that route

I get that it’s a brand and revenue building exercise but it really would turn me into an old fart and “game’s gone” would be one of the first things I’d say.

None of these clubs are hard up and it’s only the well known ones who will be picked for overseas games, therefore it will be a case of the rich getting richer and the gap growing.

Lower revenue and lower wages would be a much bigger improvement than playing a few games overseas. Unfortunately the idiots are running it now so it will happen soon.

 

[dsr-burnley]

The NFL is a completely different kettle of fish to English (and most other) football though.

You walk in a stadium and you’re rinsed from the second you walk in to the second you leave. Beers are $16 a pint, food is extortionate. You can’t take anything of your own into the ground.

You can quite easily go to a football match and not spend a penny while you’re in the ground, do you think you can at an American football game?!

Players are paid a [lot of money] for 16 games per season (plus playoffs if they get there).

We shouldn’t be using the NFL as a template for any kind of football. It’s ‘sporting entertainment’ rather than the sport we’re used to seeing at Brits.

According to the link, the cheapest beer last year at NFL stadia was $5, the most expensive "cheap" pint was $13.25. The $16 you quote was one single stadium in a previous year that has now been reduced.

They now play 17 games.

Why would you think it impossible to watch a 3-hour American Football game without buying food and drink? I've managed it without difficulty. It's only an hour longer than a proper football game, and free water is provided.

I agree that the NFL is no template for UK football, though.

 

[Houston_Blade]

According to the link, the cheapest beer last year at NFL stadia was $5, the most expensive "cheap" pint was $13.25. The $16 you quote was one single stadium in a previous year that has now been reduced.

They now play 17 games.

Why would you think it impossible to watch a 3-hour American Football game without buying food and drink? I've managed it without difficulty. It's only an hour longer than a proper football game, and free water is provided.

I agree that the NFL is no template for UK football, though.

In fairness the Texans here do have ‘deals’ on beers, but it’s the piss water stuff like Coors and Miller. Decent drinks cost a lot in comparison.

The point is that people moan about £6 for a pint of Neck Oil when there are dozens of pubs around the ground as alternatives. If football were NFL people would go mental, although drinking in your seats would change the environment somewhat. ‘Limbs’ would be like going to an Oasis concert with all the wasted beer.

US sports fans seem to think it’s impossible to go 5 minutes without food or drink, I don’t. I managed an Astro’s game the other week without a single $16 beer, $12 pretzel/hot dog or $5 water by eating and drinking before I went.

I just think overseas games are bullshit, US sport is so sanitised, if European football goes down that route we’re fucked.

 

[Slug]

Which clubs are going to want to give up a nominated home game to play abroad?

 

[dsr-burnley]

Which clubs are going to want to give up a nominated home game to play abroad?

If fairness were to come into it, only the clubs voting for it would give up a home game. Clubs that vote against would be guaranteed their full slate of fixtures.

It takes at least 14 to vote something in, so even if the previous year's relegated clubs voted for it, there would still be 11 willing volunteers to give up their home game.

Of course, this is the PL. So "IF" fairness were to come into it, is a big if.

 

[Brownieblade]

I get that it’s a brand and revenue building exercise but it really would turn me into an old fart and “game’s gone” would be one of the first things I’d say.

None of these clubs are hard up and it’s only the well known ones who will be picked for overseas games, therefore it will be a case of the rich getting richer and the gap growing.

Lower revenue and lower wages would be a much bigger improvement than playing a few games overseas. Unfortunately the idiots are running it now so it will happen soon.

Possibly yes but I do think at first, especially given European commitments etc you would maybe see other teams getting games first, especially in some of the longer journeys

I mean reality is now a lot of fans are already priced out of games anyway, it’s not like decades ago when we were both younger and you could just roll up to any tourn style and pay kids prices or even try and duck under for free

And I think sadly the game has already gone that way, the birth of the prem league sadly started that and it’s just continued ever since

But just in terms of practicality it’s not going to impact fans massively imo, maybe as you point out it might affect the top teams fans more if their teams are playing more but they probably are already affected as it is

 

[Brownieblade]

Which clubs are going to want to give up a nominated home game to play abroad?

Money is the answer and don’t think for a moment teams will say no if the money is right

I’m not saying that’s right, or that fans of these teams won’t be angry about it, there will be lots of anger

But if the game ever reaches that point that the league decides to go that route then it will happen and the teams will just replace any dissatisfied fans with new ones coming in

 

[Brownieblade]

According to the link, the cheapest beer last year at NFL stadia was $5, the most expensive "cheap" pint was $13.25. The $16 you quote was one single stadium in a previous year that has now been reduced.

They now play 17 games.

Why would you think it impossible to watch a 3-hour American Football game without buying food and drink? I've managed it without difficulty. It's only an hour longer than a proper football game, and free water is provided.

I agree that the NFL is no template for UK football, though.

It might not be the best template but it’s one simply in terms of a professional league going outside of its own market to play games that matter and affect the season as such, and more importantly all of the extra revenue that itself brings

It’s beyond question now that it has been a success in the NFL and if the premier league are greedy enough to go down this route, and I’m not convinced they are, then teams will argue it’s one out of 19 home games

Where they would be absolutely Uber utter cunts would be if they do this and yet still charge same or more for season tickets but let’s be honest we all they will

The one big difference though in terms of comparing NFL to prem league and why this might not happen is the prem league already has the world wide exposure and has done for decades now

They already could have done it and haven’t

 

[Bladesman]

 

[Tarqs]

Ag the fella that doesn't go to any games and supports man u purely for revenue reasons when he's actually a forest fan.

Blokes the epitome of the cesspit that is the premier league.

 

[The Fox]

I think if I owned the EPL I wouldn't see global expansion as a "Nail in the brands coffin" . I'd see it as a huge success .

The EPL will do very well for itself at the expense of the rest of League Football , its everyone outside it that being nailed unfortunately.

 

[CarlMcBlade]

One of my long held wishes is that the Premier League project will eventually eat itself. That’s not sour grapes from a SUFC fan who felt utterly humiliated from the Prem experience. The reason I support the Blades is because they are a reasonably accessible club and I can go to the games. If they eventually became a mere TV programme, I’d probably find other things to do. I do have a certain amount of sympathy for the hardcore fans of top six teams, who actually feel the same about their clubs as I do about mine. Whereas SUFC will probably survive being sucked up by the Premier hoover, many top flight fans are going to have the clubs they love and adore pulled further and further away from them…All in the pursuit of more money.

 

[CarlMcBlade]

Clubs like Man United and Liverpool might eventually end up like the Harlem Globetrotters…Playing everywhere but Harlem.