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bladeinbolton said:
Why would anyone listen to McCabe on footballing matters? His track record has been atrocious at best. The whole point of him getting another investor was to put money into the first team.
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Because he talks a good game. Who from the Prince's entourage has run a football club before? Surely that's the point of the Prince buying half the club and not just finding one he could own outright? He thought with his money and KM's experience it was a safer bet.
 
WalthamstowBlade said:
"Selahattin and I will be at the Lane this coming Saturday and Tuesday. In my view, there is time yet to cement our place in the play offs. We need to string together a row of wins and quickly. We have the players to do that and the heart and passion. We just need to pull together and get the job done. This is not beyond us."
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This Phippsy fella may carry more clout , than perhaps we realise . I think the two main board members , Mr McCabe and Mr Prince , see him as the catalyst / conduit between the board and fans . Clough may have allies in high places , but they are all hired hands , who could be outed , at any time .

If we finish up having unacceptable performance and points tally out of the next three home games , and fall out of the top 6 , depending how other results go , Clough will be on a sack him , not sacking , tight rope at board level .

Either way i think we will still go up , but this is the time of season , when success and failure is on a tight rope , people lose there bottle and a scape goat has to be found.

It may be that the players have lost there bottle already , but unfortunately , you cant sack 80% of the squad at this stage of the season .

UTB
 
BushBlade said:
Because he talks a good game. Who from the Prince's entourage has run a football club before? Surely that's the point of the Prince buying half the club and not just finding one he could own outright? He thought with his money and KM's experience it was a safer bet.
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If he was relying on McCabe's experience he is a fool, which I suspect he isn't. Half the club cost him nowt though (well, £1). McCabe shunted the debt off as well. To have bought any other club it would have cost him serious cash (to pay off debts if nothing else) as well as the ongoing cash burn that most football clubs will go through. His mistake was to not entrust his investment to someone with the experience of running a football club, rather that Phipps, who i'm sure is a stand up guy but knew little about football clubs before pitching up at Bramall Lane.
 
BushBlade said:
Because he talks a good game. Who from the Prince's entourage has run a football club before? Surely that's the point of the Prince buying half the club and not just finding one he could own outright? He thought with his money and KM's experience it was a safer bet.
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Hurrah. We are getting somewhere.

Its a well known fact that if shit isn't sorted out in the boardroom, it will reflect on the pitch.

The fact that we have a desperate squad of panic buys from the £1 shelves and Cluff struggling to get anything but wind and piss out of the performance says it all.

You could have Mourinho on the touchline with this lot and we'd still get bell-ended by Fleetwood Fishies.

pommpey
 
I think most people think Phipps is a big cuddly bear.

But you don't get to the top of the business tree and be a Saudi Princes right hand man without being a cold bastard when needed.

He will know what needs to be done and will have made it clear to Clough.

Sela has already being shown to be unhappy at performances as well recently.

If i was Clough I would be making damn sure we got at least 7 points from the next 3 games.
 
zablade said:
I we don't win on Saturday how many will be there on Tuesday? Struggle to see more than 16k
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They always count all season ticket holders whether they are there or not. Pushes figures up at night games. Lots of young kids don't go.
 
dingledog said:
They always count all season ticket holders whether they are there or not. Pushes figures up at night games. Lots of young kids don't go.
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Said it before and I'll keep pushing it - pigs gave away STs to under 5s. Thousands "sold". Not many additional under 5s actually turned up though. Nice to have a spare seat next to you, spread out a bit.
 
zablade said:
I think when the post season inquest comes around we will hear a lot from inside the club about how the Evans situation upset things and the unfairness of it all....but they only have themselves to blame anyone with half a brain could see the tsunami of shit that would roll our way on that one.
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Oh come on, that's ridiculous. Are you saying that "anyone with half a brain" could have forseen the questions in parliament, questions to Cameron at the G7 summit and on Question Time, patrons disassociating themselves from the club, headline news in the sports pages across the world?

No one could have foreseen the massive social media snowball that exploded all over the mainstream. You can blame McCabe and co for banking on a striker with a controversial past who might not have recaptured past form, but you can't blame them for not anticipating how massive the Evans controversy became
 
bladesmanluke said:
Come on lads, whatever you think of Clough let's roar them home. It's not looking likely but the only way we can get promoted now is if we all bite our tongues when we're playing shite and sing even louder
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I go to support and be entertained . One is down to the fans , the other is down to Clough and the players. Entertainment can mean a boring 1-0 win.

UTB
 



WhiteHawk said:
If we don't win on Saturday, I dread to think what the crowd reaction will be at full time.
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Sometimes you need to take a step backwards to progress and this Saturday could be that step.

There seems to be a solid 'Give him till the end of the season' faction and I simply can't understand it. From the very first game of this season (Bristol at home), we've been on the back foot. The 'highs' - Preston at home, Bristol away - simply mask what a truly shit season this has been. The reason we are - at the moment - in fifth place is because the standard in Division 3 has been appalling.

To let NC go now would not be a knee-jerk reaction, but the cumulation of many, many unacceptable results and poor signings.

So OK, we 'give him till the end of the season'. What do people seriously think would happen? Will the scales magically fall from Clough's eyes in the last ten games, allowing him to see what has been blindingly obvious to most? I rather doubt it. That's the kind of foolish thinking that keeps people buying their National Lottery tickets - 'You never know...' But we do know. We've been watching it for long enough.

The 'best' possible outcome from leaving him in situ until May is that we scrape into the play-offs. I'd argue that it would be the worst outcome. Apart from a repeat of the 2012/13 debacle (15k at home to Yeovil, managing to defend our slender lead in the return game for 6 fucking minutes...) it would, like the Cup games, paper over the cracks (chasms?) of Clough's managerial performance.

If he doesn't go now I guarantee we'll be having this same conversation before Christmas. And we can write another season off...
 
grafikhaus said:
Sometimes you need to take a step backwards to progress and this Saturday could be that step.

There seems to be a solid 'Give him till the end of the season' faction and I simply can't understand it. From the very first game of this season (Bristol at home), we've been on the back foot. The 'highs' - Preston at home, Bristol away - simply mask what a truly shit season this has been. The reason we are - at the moment - in fifth place is because the standard in Division 3 has been appalling.

To let NC go now would not be a knee-jerk reaction, but the cumulation of many, many unacceptable results and poor signings.

So OK, we 'give him till the end of the season'. What do people seriously think would happen? Will the scales magically fall from Clough's eyes in the last ten games, allowing him to see what has been blindingly obvious to most? I rather doubt it. That's the kind of foolish thinking that keeps people buying their National Lottery tickets - 'You never know...' But we do know. We've been watching it for long enough.

The 'best' possible outcome from leaving him in situ until May is that we scrape into the play-offs. I'd argue that it would be the worst outcome. Apart from a repeat of the 2012/13 debacle (15k at home to Yeovil, managing to defend our slender lead in the return game for 6 fucking minutes...) it would, like the Cup games, paper over the cracks (chasms?) of Clough's managerial performance.

If he doesn't go now I guarantee we'll be having this same conversation before Christmas. And we can write another season off...
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Good post but the board are in a dilemma in doing the right or wrong thing , with the games left to play .It is toss a coin time and calling heads or tails. That how our season has finished up to date , with Clough in or out.


UTB
 
grafikhaus said:
Sometimes you need to take a step backwards to progress and this Saturday could be that step.

There seems to be a solid 'Give him till the end of the season' faction and I simply can't understand it. From the very first game of this season (Bristol at home), we've been on the back foot. The 'highs' - Preston at home, Bristol away - simply mask what a truly shit season this has been. The reason we are - at the moment - in fifth place is because the standard in Division 3 has been appalling.

To let NC go now would not be a knee-jerk reaction, but the cumulation of many, many unacceptable results and poor signings.

So OK, we 'give him till the end of the season'. What do people seriously think would happen? Will the scales magically fall from Clough's eyes in the last ten games, allowing him to see what has been blindingly obvious to most? I rather doubt it. That's the kind of foolish thinking that keeps people buying their National Lottery tickets - 'You never know...' But we do know. We've been watching it for long enough.

The 'best' possible outcome from leaving him in situ until May is that we scrape into the play-offs. I'd argue that it would be the worst outcome. Apart from a repeat of the 2012/13 debacle (15k at home to Yeovil, managing to defend our slender lead in the return game for 6 fucking minutes...) it would, like the Cup games, paper over the cracks (chasms?) of Clough's managerial performance.

If he doesn't go now I guarantee we'll be having this same conversation before Christmas. And we can write another season off...
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Take two likes for the whole post and I understand your reasoning behind the opening line re if we lose it will bring things to a head rather than let him fester on. BUT, as much as he is a square peg in a round hole I don't like seeing us lose! But I know what you mean and would agree if we had nowt to play for ie mid table. But we could still go up and that is what I would prefer.
 
If Clough's future were up to me, I would ask the opinion of the people who made the following decisions:

- appoint Robson
- sell both Kyles at the same time
- fire Blackwell straight after the start of the season
- fire Wilson

And do the opposite of whatever they recommend.
 
"If he doesn't go now I guarantee we'll be having this same conversation before Christmas. And we can write another season off..."

I think the board really do want to give him the full term of his contract.
I was of same mind but then I started to think we'll maybe to the end of next season.

Now I'm thinking, especially with the new pitch which I think will be a great help to us, that he has until Christmas.

No way should he be sacked at the end of this season, regardless of where or how we finish.
 
Blade56 said:
BUT, as much as he is a square peg in a round hole I don't like seeing us lose! But I know what you mean and would agree if we had nowt to play for ie mid table. But we could still go up and that is what I would prefer.
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Blades56, nobody on this forum likes seeing us lose. One of the blackest days of my Blade-dom was 2nd January 1988. We lost 0-5 at home to Oldham and the (useless) manager Billy McEwan was sacked. That was our step backwards. On 21st January we appointed Dave Bassett. That was the progress.
 
This season does sound like everything the Derby fans were saying after he'd left them. Is he going to change, unlikely, so either his 1-0s will work next season (as they did last year) or they won't (as they haven't this season), that's the gamble.

It can work as Charlton (and maybe Wolves) have shown whilst we've been in this god awful division but generally it's strength in the middle and goals that succeed and that's where we need to concentrate on (as we did last Summer !) I'm not overly concerned about the forwards we have if we sign Davies or O'Grady but we desperately need a strong midfield presence and a dominating centre back. Clough knows about the latter but his insistance of signing small midfielders suggests he doesn't think that's an area we need to worry about. The Board need to decide whether he can adapt to this division as the signs this season are that he can't.
 
grafikhaus said:
Blades56, nobody on this forum likes seeing us lose. One of the blackest days of my Blade-dom was 2nd January 1988. We lost 0-5 at home to Oldham and the (useless) manager Billy McEwan was sacked. That was our step backwards. On 21st January we appointed Dave Bassett. That was the progress.
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Understand gfh, not suggesting you want them to lose quite the opposite. Good can come from bad and contrary to some posters beliefs I cannot imagine any Blade wanting us to lose but if we do I hope something other than a pathetic after game interview comes of the defeat!
 
Blade56 said:
Understand gfh, not suggesting you want them to lose quite the opposite. Good can come from bad and contrary to some posters beliefs I cannot imagine any Blade wanting us to lose but if we do I hope something other than a pathetic after game interview comes of the defeat!
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I can remember when Wilson was here certain fans , wanted the blades to lose , so he got the sack . This increased momentum weeks before he actually went . The board , Ched scenario , did not help us or Wilson that season , and what made it worst , was we were battling out with S6 and lost the fight for automatic.

UTB
 
Lord Bos of Eckington. said:
I can remember when Wilson was here certain fans , wanted the blades to lose , so he got the sack . This increased momentum weeks before he actually went . The board , Ched scenario , did not help us or Wilson that season , and what made it worst , was we were battling out with S6 and lost the fight for automatic.

UTB
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There was always the anti-Wilson brigade from the day he joined but I don't think there was a general anti-Wilson campaign that season. Because we'd gone so close and played great football that season, the general mood swung the season after when some of the better players had gone and the standard of football deteriated. McCabe sacked him and said it was because 'we couldn't win at home', hmmmm...............
 
The only solid argument that I can see for change right now is if NC has lost the dressing room. In those circumstances NC staying is counter-productive. If he retains the dressing room then sacking him before the end of the season without a better replacement lined up would be counter-productive in my view.

If we fail to qualify for the play-offs my opinion is he should be finished straight away. If he stays and we are still in the third division I certainly think it would be unwise to entrust next seasons transfer budget to him or allow him profligate spending over the summer. I see little or no sign of him learning or developing as a manager - especially tactically and team building - and he is getting on now so I think he is as he is and won't change much.

Like everyone else I want to see us out of this division so decisions on the immediate future should be made on the basis of what is best for Sheffield United Football Club and our chances for promotion. UTB
 
Sometimes I wonder if Blades fans are more critical than others. Our expectations are certainly a lot higher.

Out of a league of 23 teams we're 5th - there are only four teams above us and 18 who have a poorer record than we do. Should the 18 below us all sack their manager too? You could say that we are a special case as we have a big stadium, big crowds and a high wage bill. But such factors have never guaranteed promotion. Every year some big clubs remain in mid table while some smaller oines challenge for promotion.

Look at the Championship, with Brentford and Bournemouth up there, and plenty of far bigger clubs not challenging. It's normal in football. In league 2 Portsmouth are mid table while Burton are top.

There's no guarantee that sacking a manager - be it Warnock, Wilson, Blackwell or Clough - will improve our fortunes. If you look at our recent history, sacking a manager tends to make things worse
 



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