Phipps speaks ...

[Tezza1889]

Wasting your time green and grey these so called blades( pigs in disguise) have made there mind up the prince and McCabe
are lining there own pockets on the back of of a company that's losing money hand over fist while it stays in this division
when I went to school along time ago!! 2+2=4 :today 2+2=5 that's how I some up these people who think owners are taking money out of the till .Show some common sense and loyalty (loyalty is not just turning up at matches!!).

Agreed, loyalty isn't just turning up at matches, unless you count the guys the guys at fleetwood on a horrible night to the edge of lancashires most desperate coastal town, yep I've been there, they didn't have thier hands tied and were forced to go, they went out of total loyalty and commitment... How could you say it takes more than that, don't deny those people thier right through dogmatic statements in comments, I'll be there Saturday, don't know why but I have to be there, I'll be cheering em on regardless, what more do people want...

 

[Mouth of the South]

I have no idea why Phipps gets such a hard time from some quarters. Yes, some of his comments about the game are a little cringe worthy at times and show-up his lack of knowledge but his business acumen is sound and he is willing to engage with supporters and give an honest (if not always totally transparent) response to any questions.


Perhaps it is because he is the most/only accessible member of the Board that some target him but people should just think where the club would be if HRH hadn't invested. The club was haemorrhaging money and McCabe was/is unwilling to pour more funds into the club (hence the search for investment in the first place). L2 and administration were both certainly not impossibilities.


Of course, since the investment results haven't gone the way everyone would wish (& the money spent would usually allow) but trying to drive HRH (& reps) out of the club will not benefit the club in any way - unless there's a queue of HNW investors desperate to take over the club that I'm not aware of.


I didn't watch the interview with Alan Biggs personally so I'm only going on the summary the OP and others have provided. The linked comments about Jan and contracts being up in summer is indeed a little confusing but my guess is there will be some (but not a huge amount) available for transfers in Jan and other activity before summer will be dictated by who the club is able to moved on, thereby freeing up budget. With the squad already large and a lot of players on wages they'd be unable to command elsewhere I can only see us offloading a couple more on loans, maybe the odd one on a perm (if the club sweetens the deal enough) and possibly a couple of young players on the periphery of the squad out to L1/2 clubs to get some game time and experience. Whether or not that will be enough, together with the budget not spent (on Burn) last summer to allow NA to make the changes he wants in Jan (assuming targets will be available) remains to be seen but the realist in me thinks the majority of the much needed action will not take place until the summer.


One thing this magnifies is just what a total balls up NC made of last season.

 

[Smirth]

"Not a single penny from player transactions hasn't gone into team"

So who have we signed since we sold Murphy then, all I can recall is Hammond who we signed on a 3 month loan. I highly doubt we've spunked the Murphy money away on a 3 month loan, although with this club nothing would surprise me.

In fairness to Jim he has been quieter in Twitter for the last few weeks which is pleasing to see. I just hope he then doesn't come out all full of it after winning a couple on the spin. Time for him to take a lower profile IMO.

 

[SwissBlade]

Tezza1889 a few things on why I'm at best, Luke warm on Phipps:

- he comments and gets involved with fans in football discussions: he does this because he wants to be a 'fan', but his knowledge is extremely limited and much of what he says is undermining for the current manager.
- he's everyone's mate: I don't want my chairman to be matey, I want him to run the club and communicate - he can do this without trying to be an adopted sheffielder
- he says everything and nothing: Twitter comments like "we're expecting big news" or "I can't say anything, but rest assured...". We're a football club not sky sports news.
- he says too much, but opens himself up: on occasions he's put his neck on the line he's not backed it up.
- he says the wrong things at the wrong times: his Facebook statement of blame the other week was great, but it was also awful.

 

[bricktop]

Wasting your time green and grey these so called blades( pigs in disguise) have made there mind up the prince and McCabe
are lining there own pockets on the back of of a company that's losing money hand over fist while it stays in this division
when I went to school along time ago!! 2+2=4 :today 2+2=5 that's how I some up these people who think owners are taking money out of the till .Show some common sense and loyalty (loyalty is not just turning up at matches!!).

Your right mate some off these fans have made there mind up the prince and McCabe are makeing money out off the club.

 

[bricktop]

Tezza1889 a few things on why I'm at best, Luke warm on Phipps:

- he comments and gets involved with fans in football discussions: he does this because he wants to be a 'fan', but his knowledge is extremely limited and much of what he says is undermining for the current manager.
- he's everyone's mate: I don't want my chairman to be matey, I want him to run the club and communicate - he can do this without trying to be an adopted sheffielder
- he says everything and nothing: Twitter comments like "we're expecting big news" or "I can't say anything, but rest assured...". We're a football club not sky sports news.
- he says too much, but opens himself up: on occasions he's put his neck on the line he's not backed it up.
- he says the wrong things at the wrong times: his Facebook statement of blame the other week was great, but it was also awful.

Plus the fact that he always sets himself up to fail with stupid outlandish comments on social media.

It is laudable that he is trying to be open and honest using social media, but he seemingly is unaware how easy it is to appear to be completely detached from reality.

 

[crucialkneeligaman]

"We didn't get all business we wanted to done in summer"

"Not going yo comment on Jan window, but we have a lot of contracts up in summer "

"Not a single penny from player transactions hasn't gone into team"

"Patience is required"

"The prince is going nowhere "

Becoming a bit deja vu, or boy who cried wolf.

Patience is required !. Yes, we haven't shown much of that over the intervening years have we ?.

 

[Blade56]

There could be a couple of permanent signings and Hammond is probably one of t hem.

The day we sign Hammond on a permanent is the day I lose faith in Adkin

 

[Rodders]

Tezza1889 a few things on why I'm at best, Luke warm on Phipps:

- he comments and gets involved with fans in football discussions: he does this because he wants to be a 'fan', but his knowledge is extremely limited and much of what he says is undermining for the current manager.
- he's everyone's mate: I don't want my chairman to be matey, I want him to run the club and communicate - he can do this without trying to be an adopted sheffielder
- he says everything and nothing: Twitter comments like "we're expecting big news" or "I can't say anything, but rest assured...". We're a football club not sky sports news.
- he says too much, but opens himself up: on occasions he's put his neck on the line he's not backed it up.
- he says the wrong things at the wrong times: his Facebook statement of blame the other week was great, but it was also awful.

My thoughts entirely Swizzler. He's a nice bloke and seems extremely genuine and I have no doubts he's committed and doing his utmost for the Club - but he just needs to wind his neck in.

 

[BushBlade]

I have no idea why Phipps gets such a hard time from some quarters. Yes, some of his comments about the game are a little cringe worthy at times and show-up his lack of knowledge but his business acumen is sound and he is willing to engage with supporters and give an honest (if not always totally transparent) response to any questions.


Perhaps it is because he is the most/only accessible member of the Board that some target him but people should just think where the club would be if HRH hadn't invested. The club was haemorrhaging money and McCabe was/is unwilling to pour more funds into the club (hence the search for investment in the first place). L2 and administration were both certainly not impossibilities.


Of course, since the investment results haven't gone the way everyone would wish (& the money spent would usually allow) but trying to drive HRH (& reps) out of the club will not benefit the club in any way - unless there's a queue of HNW investors desperate to take over the club that I'm not aware of.


I didn't watch the interview with Alan Biggs personally so I'm only going on the summary the OP and others have provided. The linked comments about Jan and contracts being up in summer is indeed a little confusing but my guess is there will be some (but not a huge amount) available for transfers in Jan and other activity before summer will be dictated by who the club is able to moved on, thereby freeing up budget. With the squad already large and a lot of players on wages they'd be unable to command elsewhere I can only see us offloading a couple more on loans, maybe the odd one on a perm (if the club sweetens the deal enough) and possibly a couple of young players on the periphery of the squad out to L1/2 clubs to get some game time and experience. Whether or not that will be enough, together with the budget not spent (on Burn) last summer to allow NA to make the changes he wants in Jan (assuming targets will be available) remains to be seen but the realist in me thinks the majority of the much needed action will not take place until the summer.


One thing this magnifies is just what a total balls up NC made of last season.

Why was administration a possibility?

 

[Mouth of the South]

Why was administration a possibility?

Team plummeting down the leagues (& relegation to L2 a distinct possibility), annual operating losses >£5m/year, only 2 player assets of any significant value (Maguire, Murphy), desperate need to sack management team (Weir & co), owner unwilling/unable to inject more funds etc. How else would it have ended without outside investment? Close/sell the academy, drastically reduce the playing budget, stick with Weir, sell all players of any asset value - would it have been enough even if all those had been done? Probably not.

 

[INTERUNITED]

Yep fair play to the board, they managed to sell the only 2 players worth any value!!

 

[Mouth of the South]

Yep fair play to the board, they managed to sell the only 2 players worth any value!!

Yep, because unfortunately they both wanted to leave the club.


At least decent sized fees were received for them. Some may argue (somewhat justifiably) Murphy was sold relatively cheaply but hindsight is always 20/20 and as such, the fee we received for Maguire is far higher than his value would be today if he only had <12months left on his contract.


A decision was made (rightly or wrongly) to let the players go and not keep them against their will with a large proportion of the fees received having been reinvested into the squad (Brayford, Coutts, Done, Sharp + loans for Sammon, Hammond and Edgar) - whether they've been invested wisely is another argument and is nothing to do with the Board with responsibility delegated to footballing Board (or whatever term they’ve given to it).

 

[Ted Danson]

Re the January window and Summer contract comments what do you infer?

From a postive side I infer: Lets get the new blood in January safe in the knowledge the dead wood is going soon.
From a negative: We're still paying the dead wood wages til Summer, no chance we can stump up for new blood until the dead woods gone.

Problem comes when the new blood turns into the dead wood within 5 mins of being here, I dont want any new blood if its just going to be on the same level that Adkins has brought in already

 

[BushBlade]

Team plummeting down the leagues (& relegation to L2 a distinct possibility), annual operating losses >£5m/year, only 2 player assets of any significant value (Maguire, Murphy), desperate need to sack management team (Weir & co), owner unwilling/unable to inject more funds etc. How else would it have ended without outside investment? Close/sell the academy, drastically reduce the playing budget, stick with Weir, sell all players of any asset value - would it have been enough even if all those had been done? Probably not.

How would that have benefitted KM? It would have relieved him of the liabilities of the club's outgoings but also ownership of the club. Do you think that's why he moved the freehold to another business? So he could just pull the plug on the football business and let the administrators deal with it but keep the Lane?

 

[Sean Thornton]

How would that have benefitted KM? It would have relieved him of the liabilities of the club's outgoings but also ownership of the club. Do you think that's why he moved the freehold to another business? So he could just pull the plug on the football business and let the administrators deal with it but keep the Lane?

Exactly, he was the only significant creditor so he would have just written off his own money. He may not have wanted to put more in but could have been stuck with BL while the new owner of the football club could have ground shared while building a new stadium and left KMc with BL that wouldn't get him his cash back even with redevelopment. Surely a non starter for Scarborough Group.

 

[Fjortoft's Aeroplane]

How would that have benefitted KM? It would have relieved him of the liabilities of the club's outgoings but also ownership of the club. Do you think that's why he moved the freehold to another business? So he could just pull the plug on the football business and let the administrators deal with it but keep the Lane?

Why else?

 

[Patrick Suffaux]

It hasn't been said up to now, and the players have performed poorly. Why's that?

I think it needs saying.

"Your contracts are up in the summer, and without a marked improvement they won't be renewed"

And it would be music to our ears too.

UTB

Completely agree with you however it only has the desired impact if we stop making shit signings to replace them.

 

[alcoblade]

Completely agree with you however it only has the desired impact if we stop making shit signings to replace them.

Yep, been the main problem for ages. Signing over the hill players falling from above.

UTB

 

[robbiez666]

"Not a single penny from player transactions hasn't gone into team"

So, basically we have to sell players to pay wagers. That or you're a lying cunt.

Jim Phipps, fuck off. Just a spin doctor. talking bollocks to make the stupid fans feel happier.

where is this £4 million outlay on the team?

 

[Sean Thornton]

"Not a single penny from player transactions hasn't gone into team"

So, basically we have to sell players to pay wagers. That or you're a lying cunt.

Jim Phipps, fuck off. Just a spin doctor. talking bollocks to make the stupid fans feel happier.

where is this £4 million outlay on the team?

They're selling players to pay bets. Bastards!

Pissed early tonight Robbie?

 

[LoughboroBlade]

"Not a single penny from player transactions hasn't gone into team"

So, basically we have to sell players to pay wagers. That or you're a lying cunt.

Jim Phipps, fuck off. Just a spin doctor. talking bollocks to make the stupid fans feel happier.

where is this £4 million outlay on the team?

Based on the above you're suggesting that our current transfer budget is £0. Phipps has made it clear that all the funds have gone into the team. We didn't do the business we tried to get done in August, so the funds (e.g. Murphy cash) are still available for the team, but so far unspent. This doesn't seem particularly tough to get your head around, and I'm not sure why Phipps is getting so much criticism for that comment. He perhaps should have added on the "but we haven't been able to spend it on who we want to spend it on" comment to remove any ambiguity, but I'd have thought the general meaning of his words was fairly clear – and obviously raises expectations for activity in January.

 

[LoughboroBlade]

Video's up. Some unfortunate beard-on-microphone action in part 2, but overall I think he deals with the fairly direct questioning from Biggs quite clearly.

 

[robbiez666]

Based on the above you're suggesting that our current transfer budget is £0. Phipps has made it clear that all the funds have gone into the team. We didn't do the business we tried to get done in August, so the funds (e.g. Murphy cash) are still available for the team, but so far unspent. This doesn't seem particularly tough to get your head around, and I'm not sure why Phipps is getting so much criticism for that comment. He perhaps should have added on the "but we haven't been able to spend it on who we want to spend it on" comment to remove any ambiguity, but I'd have thought the general meaning of his words was fairly clear – and obviously raises expectations for activity in January.

"Not a single penny from player transactions hasn't gone into team"

where have we spent the four million? he's stated that we've spent the Murphy and Maguire money. It's clear as day from that statement.

Now, we all know he means it will be but maybe he shouldn't be such a loudmouth idiot and think before he speaks? He's stated that every penny has been reinvested. It hasn't. that statement is a lie.

 

[LoughboroBlade]

"Not a single penny from player transactions hasn't gone into team"

where have we spent the four million? he's stated that we've spent the Murphy and Maguire money. It's clear as day from that statement.

Now, we all know he means it will be but maybe he shouldn't be such a loudmouth idiot and think before he speaks? He's stated that every penny has been reinvested. It hasn't. that statement is a lie.

Part 2, 10:45 in if you want to hear the exact words. "Not a single penny from any transaction since we've come in has been used for anything other than first team football, and that'll continue to be true."

He was not asked, and let me be clear on this, whether all the money "has been spent on the team", nor did he suggest that.

 

[Sean Thornton]

"Not a single penny from player transactions hasn't gone into team"

where have we spent the four million? he's stated that we've spent the Murphy and Maguire money. It's clear as day from that statement.

Now, we all know he means it will be but maybe he shouldn't be such a loudmouth idiot and think before he speaks? He's stated that every penny has been reinvested. It hasn't. that statement is a lie.

To be frank I think the worst part of his meananderings over the last couple of weeks is where he tries to suggest that transfer fees received and cup run money is some sort of investment rather than money generated by the club. It's like saying the board could have taken the gate money back but instead "invested" it in the club. An own goal thinking fans would fall for it and a insight into the mindset of the Princes side of the board. It does him no favours at all and is misleading plus it makes you wonder what they think about the intelligence of the fanbase. This isn't Beattie Flu, it's misrepresentation.

 

[robbiez666]

Part 2, 10:45 in if you want to hear the exact words. "Not a single penny from any transaction since we've come in has been used for anything other than first team football, and that'll continue to be true."

He was not asked, and let me be clear on this, whether all the money "has been spent on the team", nor did he suggest that.

Being annoying as I am, where is the money? If it's in the bank then it has been used to gain interest? If it isn't in the bank, where is it? Does Jim have a fully stuffed mattress?

My point is that it's just anther easy misinterpreted comment from someone who needs to shut the f up.

The club keep making stupid public comments. 'Game changing'? laughable more like.

 

[LoughboroBlade]

Being annoying as I am, where is the money? If it's in the bank then it has been used to gain interest? If it isn't in the bank, where is it? Does Jim have a fully stuffed mattress?

My point is that it's just anther easy misinterpreted comment from someone who needs to shut the f up.

The club keep making stupid public comments. 'Game changing'? laughable more like.

I suppose it depends on how you interpret it. I interpret it as I see it – we haven't spent the money we received for Murphy, we tried to on deadline day but the deals didn't happen, so it's in the pot for the January. I'm not really sure why that's a bad thing. Would you prefer there was no money to spend in January?

 

[northsomersetblade]

Actions speak louder than words.

 

[robbiez666]

I suppose it depends on how you interpret it. I interpret it as I see it – we haven't spent the money we received for Murphy, we tried to on deadline day but the deals didn't happen, so it's in the pot for the January. I'm not really sure why that's a bad thing. Would you prefer there was no money to spend in January?

You put your own biased spin on it. He said none of that. My point was he shouldn't be saying things which are easy misinterpreted which are in essence meaningless. If you've got nothing to say, shut up. Best course of action.