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What would be a good stat to use to decide who would be best at taking penalties?

I know - what about players' efficiency against their personal xg?

Player xg.webp

But what do I know?

UTB & FTP!
 



Get what you mean, but Bamford has missed his last 3 penalties. Cannon has a much better record, despite being a much crapper overall player.
 
Assuming the xg for own goals is 0 (because nobody is trying to score them) then own goals are at +2 and top of your leaderboard.

So in summary, next time we get a penalty we should let one of the opposition players take it to give us the best chance of scoring
 
Personally, I think pens are important and you should have 3 or 4 pen takers who each practice their own specific pen several times at the end of practice, when they’re tired, until it is drilled in muscle memory like Faldo’s golf swing. All pens should be struck hard and at least 2 feet off the ground. The best pen takers like Shearer and Kane hit them so that a keeper got at most 1 hand to it, which usually wasn’t enough to stop it anyway.

Players, like managers, make things too complicated.

Generally, players with good xg ratings are calm at finishing, and therefore least likely to be affected by stress.

UTB & FTP!
 
ThirdGenBlade said:
Personally, I think pens are important and you should have 3 or 4 pen takers who each practice their own specific pen several times at the end of practice, when they’re tired, until it is drilled in muscle memory like Faldo’s golf swing. All pens should be struck hard and at least 2 feet off the ground. The best pen takers like Shearer and Kane hit them so that a keeper got at most 1 hand to it, which usually wasn’t enough to stop it anyway.

Players, like managers, make things too complicated.

Generally, players with good xg ratings are calm at finishing, and therefore least likely to be affected by stress.

UTB & FTP!
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I’d always prefer to see them hit hard and high into the roof of the net. I’d rather see one blazed over like the taker was intending to score than easily saved like yesterday (and don’t get me started on stuttering run ups).

If it’s hit with power, high to the left or right then you give the keeper next to no chance and don’t have to factor in any deception.

Peck’s penalty looked very much to me like he’d no idea where he was going to put it prior to hitting it.
 
ThirdGenBlade said:
What would be a good stat to use to decide who would be best at taking penalties?

I know - what about players' efficiency against their personal xg?

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But what do I know?

UTB & FTP!
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Well as I mentioned in shoutbox other day, bamford has terrible penalty record and ings has the best scoring 13 from 14?

So that table literslly couldnt bd any worse to chose a regular penalty taker lol.
 
Blademan89 said:
Well as I mentioned in shoutbox other day, bamford has terrible penalty record and ings has the best scoring 13 from 14?

So that table literslly couldnt bd any worse to chose a regular penalty taker lol.
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If I can refer you to both of my 2 posts above, I have suggested that xg efficiency is where you start. The second post then suggests how you train the 3 or 4 that you have identified to be clinically efficient with agreed penalty strategies.

Ings’ data with us is not really valid, because he has had so little playing time that his strike rate for us is just a reflection of lack of game time.

UTB & FTP!
 
ThirdGenBlade said:
If I can refer you to both of my 2 posts above, I have suggested that xg efficiency is where you start. The second post then suggests how you train the 3 or 4 that you have identified to be clinically efficient with agreed penalty strategies.

Ings’ data with us is not really valid, because he has had so little playing time that his strike rate for us is just a reflection of lack of game time.

UTB & FTP!
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Didnt mean for my post to come off hostile or any attitude towards you. Having read it back it could be taken that way... I didnt mean to put well as I mentioned (comes accross passive aggressive).

But even if hes past it now hardly played id still would back Ings to be the most clinical penalty taker out of the current players in the squad. Its like id back Matt Le tissier now (even though hes not played for 25/30 years) to out score 95% of the players in our current squad.
 
Whenever this topic come up step forward Harry Maguire.
Though he did put one over the bar in a shoot out for Hull, but he's obviously honed his technique as he's never missed one since.
 
Sithblade said:
Whenever this topic come up step forward Harry Maguire.
Though he did put one over the bar in a shoot out for Hull, but he's obviously honed his technique as he's never missed one since.
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The one against Italy in the Final was an absolute beauty and not easy to do, as he faints left and hits it with a lot of pace with the outside of his boot / laces.

Difficult to execute and he absolutely nailed it. Stakes couldn't be much higher.
 
ThirdGenBlade said:
Personally, I think pens are important and you should have 3 or 4 pen takers who each practice their own specific pen several times at the end of practice, when they’re tired, until it is drilled in muscle memory like Faldo’s golf swing. All pens should be struck hard and at least 2 feet off the ground. The best pen takers like Shearer and Kane hit them so that a keeper got at most 1 hand to it, which usually wasn’t enough to stop it anyway.

Players, like managers, make things too complicated.

Generally, players with good xg ratings are calm at finishing, and therefore least likely to be affected by stress.

UTB & FTP!
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100% good to have left and right footed options too depending on the keeper you are up against. Although clearly a right footer Beattie and Sharp had that combo that you pretty much knew a penalty = a goal
 



I'm now completely at a loss in knowing whats deemed a penalty and whats not .
It used to be simple , a foul in the area ( or deliberate handball) was a penalty.

Now it appears touching a player is a penalty , even if elsewhere on the pitch it wouldn't be a foul .
Grappling and slinging someone to the ground from a corner ( ball on play) is a foul anywhere on the pitch but not if its in the area , or so it seams.

It really should be one of the most simple laws of the game if we kept it simple.
 
The Fox said:
I'm now completely at a loss in knowing whats deemed a penalty and whats not .
It used to be simple , a foul in the area ( or deliberate handball) was a penalty.

Now it appears touching a player is a penalty , even if elsewhere on the pitch it wouldn't be a foul .
Grappling and slinging someone to the ground from a corner ( ball on play) is a foul anywhere on the pitch but not if its in the area , or so it seams.

It really should be one of the most simple laws of the game if we kept it simple.
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The problem lies with the players salaries (sounds daft but bear with me) they are entitled at the pro level vs the referees, literally the players can be on what a referee earns a year in a week some of them in the Premier League could be on 3 times that, straight away they don't like getting told what they can and cannot be doing. When a corner is played, it won't be just one thing going on for example one person pushing or pulling, it will be happening at the front, middle and back post and the pulling of shirts will be happening both ways too. At an amateur level it was easy when I refereed, if it started, if I got chance to stop the corner I would, if not on the next one, I would bring all the players to the edge of the area and tell them, I am watching and the first one to push or pull is penalised, whichever way that would go. I gave countless penalties and before they tried to complain, I had my yellow card in the palm of my hand, first one up shouting received it followed by anyone else that wanted a go and I would always have the final word by saying I told you what would happen, I am giving what I am seeing, don't blame me, blame your number x for pulling the shirt of their number y.

I soon got a reputation often in banter as the "dickhead that gave soft penalties" which is fine by me but it worked as they didn't do it after the first time in a match and it often came into my opening spiel with the captains that it was a pet hate of mine and that is how I dealt with it.

The problem with professional level is you would be securitised from the media and fans left, right and centre. The Laws are in place but are not given due to potential scrutiny and money, imagine giving a penalty for a pull on a shirt from a corner that ended up relegating a club, you would be on everyone's list. The pundits don't have a clue what is going on with the Laws of the game at the best of times, it's still referred as a booking on sky when it's not been that for over 25 years maybe even longer. They created the phrase "Soft penalty" when there isn't such a thing, it's either a penalty or it isn't. If it was me personally I would change the Laws of the game for to remove the penalty area and only have a the goal area, as it's too large, anything that happens in the 6 yard area give as a penalty however anything else is a free kick.
 
LBA_Blade said:
The problem lies with the players salaries (sounds daft but bear with me) they are entitled at the pro level vs the referees, literally the players can be on what a referee earns a year in a week some of them in the Premier League could be on 3 times that, straight away they don't like getting told what they can and cannot be doing. When a corner is played, it won't be just one thing going on for example one person pushing or pulling, it will be happening at the front, middle and back post and the pulling of shirts will be happening both ways too. At an amateur level it was easy when I refereed, if it started, if I got chance to stop the corner I would, if not on the next one, I would bring all the players to the edge of the area and tell them, I am watching and the first one to push or pull is penalised, whichever way that would go. I gave countless penalties and before they tried to complain, I had my yellow card in the palm of my hand, first one up shouting received it followed by anyone else that wanted a go and I would always have the final word by saying I told you what would happen, I am giving what I am seeing, don't blame me, blame your number x for pulling the shirt of their number y.

I soon got a reputation often in banter as the "dickhead that gave soft penalties" which is fine by me but it worked as they didn't do it after the first time in a match and it often came into my opening spiel with the captains that it was a pet hate of mine and that is how I dealt with it.

The problem with professional level is you would be securitised from the media and fans left, right and centre. The Laws are in place but are not given due to potential scrutiny and money, imagine giving a penalty for a pull on a shirt from a corner that ended up relegating a club, you would be on everyone's list. The pundits don't have a clue what is going on with the Laws of the game at the best of times, it's still referred as a booking on sky when it's not been that for over 25 years maybe even longer. They created the phrase "Soft penalty" when there isn't such a thing, it's either a penalty or it isn't. If it was me personally I would change the Laws of the game for to remove the penalty area and only have a the goal area, as it's too large, anything that happens in the 6 yard area give as a penalty however anything else is a free kick.
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Thanks. A very comprehensive reply which explains alot . I suppose whilst the law is applied differently in amateur football you still have players watching MOTD and listening to clueless pundits so that makes it more difficult.

On the corner grapple its getting silly and the laws could change as you suggest . Perhaps limiting the number of players allowed in the 6 yard box at a corner might help , 🤔

On the matter of literally touching a forward thats not even a foul in the center circle but is somehow a penalty in the box still bemuses me .

Thanks again
 
The Fox said:
Thanks. A very comprehensive reply which explains alot . I suppose whilst the law is applied differently in amateur football you still have players watching MOTD and listening to clueless pundits so that makes it more difficult.

On the corner grapple its getting silly and the laws could change as you suggest . Perhaps limiting the number of players allowed in the 6 yard box at a corner might help , 🤔

On the matter of literally touching a forward thats not even a foul in the center circle but is somehow a penalty in the box still bemuses me .

Thanks again
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That’s a great shout!
 
The Fox said:
Thanks. A very comprehensive reply which explains alot . I suppose whilst the law is applied differently in amateur football you still have players watching MOTD and listening to clueless pundits so that makes it more difficult.

On the corner grapple its getting silly and the laws could change as you suggest . Perhaps limiting the number of players allowed in the 6 yard box at a corner might help , 🤔

On the matter of literally touching a forward thats not even a foul in the center circle but is somehow a penalty in the box still bemuses me .

Thanks again
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Just get rid of corners ?
 
The Fox said:
I'm now completely at a loss in knowing whats deemed a penalty and whats not .
It used to be simple , a foul in the area ( or deliberate handball) was a penalty.

Now it appears touching a player is a penalty , even if elsewhere on the pitch it wouldn't be a foul .
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I can't recall ever seeing a situation where a penalty is given for something that wouldn't also be a FK outside the box. Refs not giving penalties for infringements that would result in a FK anywhere else on the pitch, on the other hand, seems to happen 2-3 times a game minimum.
 



jt64 said:
I can't recall ever seeing a situation where a penalty is given for something that wouldn't also be a FK outside the box. Refs not giving penalties for infringements that would result in a FK anywhere else on the pitch, on the other hand, seems to happen 2-3 times a game minimum.
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Im referring to whats called a soft penalty

Slight contact in a tackle or just being physical.

Take your point though on the not givens .
 
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