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I'm amazed West Ham have agreed to this, and I think they're doing it for all the wrong reasons.

Tell me what options were available then.

sendo WHU said:
Forget for a moment anything about Tevez, admission of guilt or fairness in football [sic], West Ham - or more accurately Gudmunsson - have done this purely finalise the value of the club, and therefore make it easier to sell - eradicating that "what if" element.

Fair enough, Gudmunsson is broke, and needs to sell off about the only asset he has left of value to pay back Kneecaps R Us back in Iceland. But at what price to the club?

I might be wasting my time on this board, and no doubt my post will be followed by a long chorus of "cheats" and "serves you right" etc, but I can't help but feel that this will only serve to label West Ham forever as a club that doesn't abide by the rules - and by the club, I mean the playing staff, and the fans.

Maybe that's simply because your club didn't abide by the rules, acted outside of the rules, were found to have done so again outside of the rules, yet seemed to think that that was ok.

sendo WHU said:
Let us not forget, that it was the likes of Brown, Duxbury & Joorabchain who brought all this about, and not your average football fan who wants nothing other than to see his (or her) team win every week.

Don't dispute that, and we've all been heartily sick of it.

sendo WHU said:
Gudmunsson will likely, ultimately, gain by agreeing to a pay out, but the club certainly won't, and nor will us loyal fans, who will no doubt now have to endure endless newspaper articles written by lazy journalists who only bother to research half the facts, and continue to tell us over and over how Tevez scored the goal on the last day to keep us up.

Would that be the same sort of lazy journalism which Mr Samuel insists on telling us? His obsession with the Iain Hume incident is embarrassing.

I wish people would see the reality about the end of the 2006/7 season. Tevez didn't keep you up. The corrupt Premier League did, and we are at one with that I think, my friend.

sendo WHU said:
Good luck with the promotion chase, I hope we get to play you lot in the Prem next year (would be a goodun), but I can't help but feel McCabe will be trousering most of that cash.

Thanks, and good luck to you too. I'm just glad that the whole thing, barring crossing the 'T's and dotting the 'I's is behind us all.
 

Well if you think 15 million spread over a few years so you only get a couple of million or so a year is going to somehow drastically change your fortunes, crow all you want. I'm not too bothered about it to be honest, cant see it affecting West Ham too much. Certainly cant see it causing the panic selling of all our top players like the media have been banging on about for god knows how long. West Ham are sitting nicely in 7th place in the Premiership with some great youngsters coming through and making their mark and this payout isn't going to change that one jot. Good luck with trying to get back in the same league as us though. For your sakes, I just hope if you do, you play better than you did last time you were here. ;)

Welcome to the forum Inquisitor, Nice to aee another WHU fan on here capable of a intelligent discussion. Once again welcome.

Regarding your post, dare i say that if you asked most rational (You'll have to search to find them) Blades then they will already be of the opinion that the sum of monies received (I have seen various reports, both media and not, with figures ranging from £10m to £25m) will more go towards securing the financial stability of the club than gaining us any instant success. As for the exact figure, i expect that noone will know the exact amount until all payments have been received and finalised as i assume that these will be visable on the financial documents issued annually. Whether or not it effects WHU or not is difficult to say, I think that much will depend on the outcome of the impending cases in iceland, if the courts can be convinced that WHU cannot be taken into account for any monies owed by your owner then i believe that you will be fine, lets face it £2m - £5m over five years isnt really gonna dent the incomings from remaining in the top flight. Hopefully we will meet up with you next season, should our playoff ambitions come to fruition, however my own personal view is that should this happen, we could be quite easily in a relegation battle once again as im not confident in the strength of our squad based on the season so far, equally if we do gain promotion, i too hope that im proven wrong and we do remain there. Either way, and regardless of what side of the "TevezGATE" you sit on, i for one am glad that this has now been put to bed and both clubs and fans can concentrare on their respective campaigns.

SENDO, Glad to see you back hear again, i kind of expected to see you around (Among others) following the reports over the last few days.

I'm amazed West Ham have agreed to this, and I think they're doing it for all the wrong reasons.

Forget for a moment anything about Tevez, admission of guilt or fairness in football [sic], West Ham - or more accurately Gudmunsson - have done this purely finalise the value of the club, and therefore make it easier to sell - eradicating that "what if" element.

Fair enough, Gudmunsson is broke, and needs to sell off about the only asset he has left of value to pay back Kneecaps R Us back in Iceland. But at what price to the club?

Im not too surprised that WHU have agreed to this, more the fact that its taken so long to agree to this. I take your point about the reasoning, but surely in the current climate of both economy and the security of WHU, it was better to risk this than run the risk of what a tribunal could have ruled (and i think that applies to both parties). Gudmunsson is broke and everyone knows this, again surely its better to agree a set amount of money than run the "What if" risk.

I might be wasting my time on this board, and no doubt my post will be followed by a long chorus of "cheats" and "serves you right" etc, but I can't help but feel that this will only serve to label West Ham forever as a club that doesn't abide by the rules - and by the club, I mean the playing staff, and the fans.

I dont see why you would be wasting your time putting forward your views to the "Opposition", anyone who remembers you and your posts from the original saga will know that your argument, comment and rational was obviously in favour of your club, however this was always structured and contained sane counter arguments without resorting to mindless name calling and abuse. I cant speak for all, but i enjoyed the debate.

Let us not forget, that it was the likes of Brown, Duxbury & Joorabchain who brought all this about, and not your average football fan who wants nothing other than to see his (or her) team win every week.

I think from the responses to date this is an agreeable point, you didnt do it, i didnt do it etc. Now its to bed, we can all move on although im sure that it wont be forgotten for a long time.

Gudmunsson will likely, ultimately, gain by agreeing to a pay out, but the club certainly won't, and nor will us loyal fans, who will no doubt now have to endure endless newspaper articles written by lazy journalists who only bother to research half the facts, and continue to tell us over and over how Tevez scored the goal on the last day to keep us up.

I take your point, but lets not forget that a large amount of the journalism(*sp) on this very subject that has continued after the bbc and SSN have finished with thier bit has come from the camp of BIG FAT FATTY SAM, who seems content to earn his wage by re-printing the same article every other week or month. No doubt we will all be in for his words of wisdom this weekend, so lets see what he has to say on the matter. No doubt it will include the old Steve Kabba comment et al.

Good luck with the promotion chase, I hope we get to play you lot in the Prem next year (would be a goodun), but I can't help but feel McCabe will be trousering most of that cash.

It remains to be seen what happens to the money, we have development plans that have been in the wake for a long time which will probably use some of the cash, and i believe there are loans to be repaid too, so lets see. Good luck for the rest of the season, pushing for europe could do the club well, and with Zola in charge i can see it happening. Although it may be a bridge too far with the hearing that you still have to face with the laws unto themselves.
 
The tribunal result could have ordered West Ham to pay £30million... but if they haven't got £30 million, we weren't going to get it.

Not strictly true. If a tribunal ruling is anything like a court ruling (a tribunal is a court after all), then United could have secured their debt against the assets of the club eg. the ground via a legal charge (mortgage) and this would have made them also a preferential creditor. With the amount of the charge, they'd have also have been in a position to force a sale through the courts. So all was by no means lost (unless of course all WH's assets are mortgaged up to the hilt already).

I would have though United could have got more than they did, but £25M seems a fair settlement to me if WH are paying the legal costs as well.

The latter sentance is also the crux of the matter when it comes to why they settled (for those WH fans eg SENDO WH who've asked questions about it earlier). Had it gone to a hearing, WH could easily have been been down to the tune of £40M nevermind £25M and then there would be all the court and further legal costs on top for what was seemingly a hopeless case. There comes a point when pride has to put aside and a settlement achieved simply in order to save further financial burden. WH made the right decision for the club. Pursuing it to the end would only have put WH further into debt.

Its an unfortunate incident for both clubs, but maybe we now both draw a line under it.
 
Thats pretty pathetic from Barnsley to be honest.

Are they even pursuing legal action against Morgan? or they just going to hang on and wait til they get relegated?
 
You just knew fat c*** Samuel would have a say on the matter but I am a little shocked that he and Barnsley FC have become lovers.

http://www.barnsleyfc.co.uk/page/NewsDetail/0,,10309~1593184,00.html

A fooking disgracefull story to run on their official site

shocking, Morgs would never go out with the intention of hurting another player, he's hard but fair. Who the fook does Samuel think he is, plus what are MPs doing getting behind the case on the dingles website, they evidently are already struggling doing their own jobs with no success why do they want to get involved????
 
Getting extremely angry now over Samuels obvious personal,unwarranted vendetta against Sheffield United FC. Especially as every troublemaking report he has made has been wrong.
We ought to consider blitzing his Editor at the Mail with complaints about his reporting or, possibly more effectively, inundating The Mail Online with e-mails of complain,en masse.
As for Barnsley, since the Howard transfer, which created a lot of ill feeling and even hatred towards us, for some unknown reason, they have gone completely over the top,together with their MPs. The game against Barnsley at The Lane looks like being a feisty affair!
 
I really cannot wait to beat the dingles at bdtbl now!

How is the injury of the player by a footballing incident in any way similar to an inelligible player helping there team to stay in the premier league?

If the dingles do take action regarding this they will be laughed out of the place!! Did Arsenal try and sue the team whose player broke eduardo's leg and try and claim compensation for not achieving as well in the league??? erm...no

Lincoln Blade
 
I really cannot wait to beat the dingles at bdtbl now!

How is the injury of the player by a footballing incident in any way similar to an inelligible player helping there team to stay in the premier league?

If the dingles do take action regarding this they will be laughed out of the place!! Did Arsenal try and sue the team whose player broke eduardo's leg and try and claim compensation for not achieving as well in the league??? erm...no

Lincoln Blade

Exactly, how can an accident be compared to blatant cheating?
An accident is random where as cheating is plotted. :thumbdown:
 
Getting extremely angry now over Samuels obvious personal,unwarranted vendetta against Sheffield United FC. Especially as every troublemaking report he has made has been wrong.


Samuels is a West Ham supporter writing columns for a tabloid newspaper, I wouldn't worry too much about it, it's pretty obvious it's biased reporting. While I may enjoy Samuels columns from a West Ham point of view, I still wouldn't rely on him for good, acurate information. ;)
 
You just knew fat c*** Samuel would have a say on the matter but I am a little shocked that he and Barnsley FC have become lovers.

http://www.barnsleyfc.co.uk/page/NewsDetail/0,,10309~1593184,00.html

A fooking disgracefull story to run on their official site

To be fair though... if you could place Martin Samuel anywhere on this green Earth and tell him to blend into his surroundings, Barnsley is the place I'd pick.

In fact, there was a dead spit of him manning the BNP stand just outside Dingle market when we were last there...
 

I think the point Samuels is making - if you wade through his obvious bias - is in the wake of Lord Griffith's ruling that Tevez playing (or not playing) in a game or games, could be used to decide the outcome of the game, how is it any different in any other game with any other player?

It's a fair point, albeit badly made by Samuels, that it's setting a bad precedent.
 
I think the point Samuels is making - if you wade through his obvious bias - is in the wake of Lord Griffith's ruling that Tevez playing (or not playing) in a game or games, could be used to decide the outcome of the game, how is it any different in any other game with any other player?

It's a fair point, albeit badly made by Samuels, that it's setting a bad precedent.

I understand what your saying, but Tevez was still playing illegally, wasn't he not?
 
I see its really harmed them...

"West Ham are prepared to break their transfer record by bidding more than £9m for Atalanta striker Sergio Floccari."
 
I see its really harmed them...

"West Ham are prepared to break their transfer record by bidding more than £9m for Atalanta striker Sergio Floccari."

Makes me think, who decided that the payments would be in instalments? If they pleaded poverty to get this through and then put in a bid for a player like that then they should be made to cough up the lot in one go.

It's the equivalent of me losing my job, asking for a payment holiday from my mortgage and then buying a new car.
 
An agreement has been made with West Ham now and only time will tell us who came out on top.
 
I see its really harmed them...

"West Ham are prepared to break their transfer record by bidding more than £9m for Atalanta striker Sergio Floccari."

Saying that, 9 million is chicken feed compared to what the proper premier league clubs will be paying for players.
To be in the premier league for the amount of seasons westsham have its a pretty shite transfer record.
 

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