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“Average Manager” lol.

With the one of the best…most expensive squads in the league….most neutrals predicted we’d come 2nd and we did.
Also N’Diaye was the best player in the whole league….even average managers would have a great chance of promotion with that squad.

Also when I say average….its not meant as an insult….
Knew he’d do a decent job at PNE and will ensure they won’t get relegated but that’s the best job he’ll be offered.
 

With the one of the best…most expensive squads in the league….most neutrals predicted we’d come 2nd and we did.
Also N’Diaye was the best player in the whole league….even average managers would have a great chance of promotion with that squad.

Also when I say average….its not meant as an insult….
Knew he’d do a decent job at PNE and will ensure they won’t get relegated but that’s the best job he’ll be offered.
I disagree. Average managers can’t deal with tactical changes during matches. Hecky performed very well with injuries galore. Granted he probably caused most of them 😂
 
Blimey, I agree with practically all of that, apart from their first goal was lucky?????

We have one player in our entire squad capable of scoring "lucky" goals like that and he's currently injured.

The 2nd goal was lucky…the 1st goal was a nice finish but so avoidable…..we had about 4 defenders around their player trying a shot from outside the area.
Thought their 3rd goal was a class finish with a bullet header…altho not sure what Ben Mee was doing….he saw him but left him totally unmarked.
 
I disagree. Average managers can’t deal with tactical changes during matches. Hecky performed very well with injuries galore. Granted he probably caused most of them 😂

Yeh I remember our horrendous injury situation….quite remarkable how unlucky we were.
Even the re-habilitation was all messed up. In the early days Hecky would advise a player is out for 2 weeks and they’d be out 6 weeks
Or he predicted out for a month and they’d be out 3 months.

Think Hecky became pissed off with it all….especially when the Prince ordered an enquiry/ investigation as to why we had so many injuries.
Noticed that after a while Hecky stopped giving predictions about anyone and regards injury updates said “they’ll be back when they’re back”.
Didn’t enjoy Hecky’s interviews that much because he spoke a lot but didn’t reveal anything. His interviews were all the same no matter the opposition.
He’s a decent bloke so for me will always be welcome back and deserves respect. Still think he’s average Championship level tho ha ha.
 
The 2nd goal was lucky…the 1st goal was a nice finish but so avoidable…..we had about 4 defenders around their player trying a shot from outside the area.
Thought their 3rd goal was a class finish with a bullet header…altho not sure what Ben Mee was doing….he saw him but left him totally unmarked.
It was Mark McGuinness who left him
 
It was McGuinness’ man, but he was injured and Mee didn’t cover until far too late. Piss poor all round. Tanganga got rinsed on the wing and allowed the cross, McGuinness (struggling to move) was out of position and Mee didn’t see the danger until too late.

For me it all stems from having poor centre halves coupled with wingbacks who are poor at the defensive side of the game.

Ogbene isn’t a RWB so we need to stop playing him there. Burrows doesn’t stop crosses and struggles against mobile wingers.

We’ve backed ourselves into a position through poor recruitment where we have to play 3 CB’s because they aren’t good enough to play in a 2 and the fullbacks we have are Seriki (always injured) and Godfrey (god knows?!) on the right. Burrows and McCallum on the left.

McGuinness is most effective in the centre of a 3, but his only strengths seem to be heading the ball forwards from a straight ball to his head or kicking it forward from a straight ball to his feet. Anything over the top he struggles with and he’s slower than my dead nanna when he runs.

Mee is old and slow, obviously was a good player but is struggling to play regularly and maintain any kind of form. He stands off his man too much. Him and McGuinness both seem to think they aren’t the man to mark the forward and it doesn’t work.

Tanganga is Anel but not as good, looks good one minute and poor the next. Makes rash decisions and you never feel 💯 confident with him, but he does get out of trouble against the odds at times in an ungainly way.

When you think that Wilder has had the likes of Basham, JOC and Egan, Anel, plus Wright, Cranie etc. he’s got no chance with the current lineup really has he?! Such a come down from those days.

Then you compare George, Enda, Bogle, Lafferty, Freeman et al. with the current full back and wing backs it’s night and day.

No wonder we concede so many goals.
 
I do not understand the narrative hecky somehow got lucky because he had n'diaye and berge. In league 1 wilder had the best team with players like o connell fleck Duffy courts and sharp we never say "he was lucky"...we say he got a talented squad firing. We don't say in 18/19 wilder was lucky to have o connell Norwood and Sharp in the form of their lives...we say he got a good squad firing. Hecky had n'diaye in great form and he's somehow "lucky" he got promoted because of him? No...he got us firing.

Great manager and a real class act. Massive fan of hecky.
 
If I was Hecky there wouldn’t be any chance I would be coming back. He got thrown under the bus with “Wilder gate Mk1” so Wilder didn’t have a relegation on his CV. He got us to an unlikely playoffs to lose to a huge spending Forest before following it up the following season by bringing through probably the best player of our generation in N’Diaye. Along with a FA Cup semi-final that arguably saved the club when it was struggling to pay bills, he managed autos too. Then he was thanked by having N’Diaye and Berge cashed in so we were threadbare against Palace and sacked in the December, at a time where realistically no one could have saved us from the drop and that isn’t on managerial quality it is on purely on spending. Looking at Preston they usually are an upper mid table championship side. I wouldn’t be surprised if Hecky got them into the playoffs
I'm saying it.....Hecky is a better manager than Wilder in this current day. 6 years ago, definitely not. I think Hecky would have got us up last season with that squad (credit to Wilder for building it though).
 
I'm saying it.....Hecky is a better manager than Wilder in this current day. 6 years ago, definitely not. I think Hecky would have got us up last season with that squad (credit to Wilder for building it though).
Agreed, not taking anything away from Wilder. “Wilder MK1” was some of the best memories and he had a bunch of players that blended well, worked hard and looked great. Hecky built on that too and especially being in our development setup he is bound to know faces
 

Went tonight
PNE looked like they were going to batter us first 10 mins very high press which we exploited . Poor game management at the end of first half cost us . COH is better without Hamer in team . Soumare looks class . Could have should have got late equaliser. We go again . Improving all the time for me .

Agreed, also I said elsewhere. I think the drop off in the second half was down to fitness.
 
People say Hecky was 'lucky' to have Iliman Ndiaye in that promotion season and yet don't give credit for the fact Hecky was the manager who worked with him at Under 23 level and was the one who gave him his chance in the first team. I doubt Ndiaye was even on Wilder's radar in that 2020/21 season.

Hecky played a huge role in turning a young James McAtee from a Championship player who performed like a rabbit in headlights (Luton away when he got pelters on here) into a £25 million Premier league player.
(If Hecky was at the club now this nonsense of alienating Seriki wouldn't be happening)

Hecky had to put up with the secret meetings between the Prince and Wilder when he was still manager around September 2023.

Hecky's promotion season was apparently crucial for the club financially than he is truly given credit for.

There is still the lazy argument about Hecky's record of injured players. Please don't let us think that things are better now. In addition the JOC injury was on Wider's first watch.

Apart from all of that I suppose Hecky is average and lucky.
 
Here's a thing - Why not substitute Campbell for Ogbene when Campbell runs out of steam after 50 minutes?

Forget the RWB thing - use him as an impact sub.
 
Heckingbottom this, Wilder that. What's the difference? Wilder will keep this team up; so would Heckingbottom. They are decent Championship managers in a tidy, unspectacular, grind-the-results-out way, and that's the size of it.. They're both neither more nor less than that.

I dread to think about how it would be going right now had we been promoted. We would have repeated the previous attempt by both of them, and that would have been a certainty.. At least with this particular relegation battle we have a 90%+ chance of success.

Neither one nor the other would be capable of keeping a team in the Premier League, so discussions about whether we would go back to the future (once again) are moot unless the club has no pretensions to establish itself in the top division.
 
People say Hecky was 'lucky' to have Iliman Ndiaye in that promotion season and yet don't give credit for the fact Hecky was the manager who worked with him at Under 23 level and was the one who gave him his chance in the first team. I doubt Ndiaye was even on Wilder's radar in that 2020/21 season.

Hecky played a huge role in turning a young James McAtee from a Championship player who performed like a rabbit in headlights (Luton away when he got pelters on here) into a £25 million Premier league player.
(If Hecky was at the club now this nonsense of alienating Seriki wouldn't be happening)

Hecky had to put up with the secret meetings between the Prince and Wilder when he was still manager around September 2023.

Hecky's promotion season was apparently crucial for the club financially than he is truly given credit for.

There is still the lazy argument about Hecky's record of injured players. Please don't let us think that things are better now. In addition the JOC injury was on Wider's first watch.

Apart from all of that I suppose Hecky is average and lucky.
I would agree with all that, but would add that Hecky got the job off Jokanovic, as the result of his own secret meeting with the Prince, so he knew the score.

Personally, I always thought that Hecky came across as a more intelligent Wilder tbh.
 
Heckingbottom this, Wilder that. What's the difference? Wilder will keep this team up; so would Heckingbottom. They are decent Championship managers in a tidy, unspectacular, grind-the-results-out way, and that's the size of it.. They're both neither more nor less than that.

I dread to think about how it would be going right now had we been promoted. We would have repeated the previous attempt by both of them, and that would have been a certainty.. At least with this particular relegation battle we have a 90%+ chance of success.

Neither one nor the other would be capable of keeping a team in the Premier League, so discussions about whether we would go back to the future (once again) are moot unless the club has no pretensions to establish itself in the top division.
It might have pretentions to establish itself in the top league , but that's all they are - pretentions.
Like me getting a BJ from Margot Robbie.
No serious intention.

What happened between May & September this summer is proof positive that we have started yet another season like 2 of the PL ones , without any serious intentions whatsoever.

In our last season of parachutes , our preparation has been nothing short of comical.
We are a comedy club - you couldn't even make up the farce of this summer.
 
Heckingbottom this, Wilder that. What's the difference? Wilder will keep this team up; so would Heckingbottom. They are decent Championship managers in a tidy, unspectacular, grind-the-results-out way, and that's the size of it.. They're both neither more nor less than that.

I dread to think about how it would be going right now had we been promoted. We would have repeated the previous attempt by both of them, and that would have been a certainty.. At least with this particular relegation battle we have a 90%+ chance of success.

Neither one nor the other would be capable of keeping a team in the Premier League, so discussions about whether we would go back to the future (once again) are moot unless the club has no pretensions to establish itself in the top division.
It might have pretentions to establish itself in the top league , but that's all they are - pretentions.
Like me getting a BJ from Margot Robbie.
No serious intention.

What happened between May & September this summer is proof positive that we have started yet another season like 2 of the PL ones , without any serious intentions whatsoever.

In our last season of parachutes , our preparation has been nothing short of comical.
We are a comedy club - you couldn't even make up the farce of this summer
 
It was Mark McGuinness who left him
If you look at the replay Mcguinnes took a wack ! Jebbison fouled him and got away with it.
Hes certainly grown up as he was like bambi when he was with us.
He did him in the first half and the ref didnt give that either.
Thougjt the ref had a good game overall but! he missed to big incidents there! The second one game changing as it led to thete 3rd goal.
Having said that we became sloppy towards the end of the 1st half! culminating in us losing a goal on the stroke of half time,we were in control


until then but ! As often happens away from home give thr home team an inch and unless you pick it up again quickly they will punish you.
 
I’ll stand by it……he’s a very average manager….not bad and not good
Preston is his level and the best he’ll get. Good bloke though and likable but it’s not a popularity contest.

If we are ambitious then we need better than Hecky who is OK.
If we end up in league 1….beggars can’t be chores and at league 1 level Hecky would be a good appointment and I’d welcome him back.

Thought it was a weird match….we were so comfortable 1st half. PNE were so poor….almost felt sorry for their fans.
Then they score 2 lucky/ avoidable goals from nothing and it’s all square. Then suddenly they look a decent side and it’s us that looks poor.
Wilder will be furious but it’s a lesson learnt….dont get complacent when you’re in cruise control.
I agree, Hecky was very limited as a manager. If we have genuine ambition of becoming a stable PL club one day we need to set our heights higher.
 
having watched it back mcguiness was not at fault as he could hardly walk. Mee should have realised this and covered by attacking the ball and providing pressure on Jebbison
 
We did but how many chances wasted at the other end did we have! Cannon should be scoring his chance from 6 yards out any £10mill striker should at least be making the keeper work
I get the unhappiness for Cannon, but his chance was a hell of a lot harder than Burrows, O'Hares and Soumare's.

Cannon has been disappointing, but let's name all the chances and not just highlight Cannon fodders.

For the chance where he couldn't wrap his foot around it, that was very difficult.

Wow I need to go back to bed, I've just defended Cannon.

Someone get me a doctor
 

Just seen CWs presser.

'Not me guv' and throws in a reference to the Hillsborough derby, for what?

Not good enough as a team or in the dugout.

I'd have far more respect for his current efforts if he'd just once accept some responsibility here
 

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