Our record is amazing

[Micalijo]

i'm going to have to make a judgement call soon on whether the loss of entertainment value is worth the promotion(?) if we get it.. yesterday i was too ill to attend and listened to the reports on sky sports news.. they couldn't believe a team in 3rd place was so poor.. can't say i was gutted to not sit in the cold and watch that drivel either if i'm honest..
as bootwell found to his cost.. when you don't win playing this style then the fans will soon turn on you because you haven't got the 'nice to watch' excuse to fall back on..
i'm still not sure whether i'm happy with this new approach or not, seeing as we're third i'll have to keep my mouth shut.. the next four games will tell us whether we're a busted flush or not

Spot on Super - as per usual.

Wilson quite right to point out he is doing his best with the players available but any manager who thinks Williams is a left sided midfielder (or did nowt to rectify the lack of wide players) is for me on borrowed time - it cannot work over 46 games in my opinion. Midfield have to contribute some goals in the abscence of a Ched type figure.

 

[super_pig]

we simply need pace on the flanks.. just one flank.. someone who can get their head down and run with the ball into space.. like a Milan Baros type.. headless chicken who makes progress down field

 

[Micalijo]

Really?!

The league table defies whatever logic you're using.

Nowt to do with logic pal - I don't think we will finish top two, and obviously such a slow, dull side cannot win at wembley.

 

[Micalijo]

we simply need pace on the flanks.. just one flank.. someone who can get their head down and run with the ball into space.. like a Milan Baros type.. headless chicken who makes progress down field

Like Scott Allan? Their lad last night was truly outstanding until Doyle nobbled him.

 

[puppet]

I wish your internet connection was on borrowed time Mic

 

[super_pig]

Like Scott Allan? Their lad last night was truly outstanding until Doyle nobbled him.

yeah he'd do.. maybe when we go bankrupt we'll be able to afford him

 

[Micalijo]

I wish your internet connection was on borrowed time Mic

And why is that - for making a post on a football fourm that dares to suggest we are an awful side to watch?

 

[puppet]

And why is that - for making a post on a football fourm that dares to suggest we are an awful side to watch?

No just your constant warped nonsense. Not one person has said we are good to watch, its how you rationalise why (compared to last season, for example) and look objectively at the very high position we find ourselves in.

 

[super_pig]

personally pup, i think it's a bit of a false position 'cos we haven't played any good teams yet.. i sincerely hope i'm wrong but my bullshit detector is going off the scale

 

[puppet]

we havent even started playing yet

 

[Houso]

Its glaringly obvious to all that we're in need of flair, pace and width. It'll be glaringly obvious to Wilson aswell. He's not an idiot. - but whatdoyado when we're at our wage ceiling?

Not playing a left back on the left wing would be a start.

personally pup, i think it's a bit of a false position 'cos we haven't played any good teams yet.. i sincerely hope i'm wrong but my bullshit detector is going off the scale

We've played 2 of the top 6 of which we are one and I'd actually say that both have better teams than the other three. If we can find some flair, we'll bloody walk this league.

 

[Patrick Suffaux]

And why is that - for making a post on a football fourm that dares to suggest we are an awful side to watch?

I'm guessing for those that care, it's more your refusal to ever accept and embrace our lofty position in the league table or indeed anything good we do but your total willingness to jump on anything even remotely negative.

Negative opinions are fine as long as there is justification for them or in other words, as long as the reasons you give actually matter. Performances don't as long as we win.....no matter how much you may value the standard of play over results it will never matter. The league table doesnt measure entertainment value.

 

[Bladesway]

personally pup, i think it's a bit of a false position 'cos we haven't played any good teams yet.. i sincerely hope i'm wrong but my bullshit detector is going off the scale

When are Man U and Chelsea coming to the lane then? There aren't any good teams in this league and I include us in that. It is shit. No creativity and no real talent. Grind it out is better than play your way out I'm afraid. It looks shit but it works.

 

[TarquinDelouche]

yesterday i was too ill to attend and listened to the reports on sky sports news..

This has stuck with me all day. Why didn't you just watch the match on Sky?

 

[Sheff de party]

I'm guessing for those that care, it's more your refusal to ever accept and embrace our lofty position in the league table or indeed anything good we do but your total willingness to jump on anything even remotely negative.

Negative opinions are fine as long as there is justification for them or in other words, as long as the reasons you give actually matter. Performances don't as long as we win.....no matter how much you may value the standard of play over results it will never matter. The league table doesnt measure entertainment value.

how can you say performances dont matter? i dont watch football for us to limp past Portsmouth with awful football. i watch it for entertainment and there was no entertainment whatsoever.

i want to see us play one twos, take players on, have shots. last night we just lumped it and for a side thats 'too big for this division' it was embarrassing. Im not saying its Wilson's fault and ul never have heard me say its McCabe's fault. i dont know whose fault it is.

but that my friends was boring and painful to watch. as i said earlier, il sacrifice one season of enjoyment if it means getting to the C'ship and getting some quality in. but God help us if we dont go up this year.

as an aside, we were lucky last night. i doubt thatll continue.

 

[puppet]

This has stuck with me all day. Why didn't you just watch the match on Sky?

he's got a life, he just 'ant got Sky

 

[puppet]

how can you say performances dont matter? i dont watch football for us to limp past Portsmouth with awful football. i watch it for entertainment and there was no entertainment whatsoever.

i want to see us play one twos, take players on, have shots. last night we just lumped it and for a side thats 'too big for this division' it was embarrassing. Im not saying its Wilson's fault and ul never have heard me say its McCabe's fault. i dont know whose fault it is.

but that my friends was boring and painful to watch. as i said earlier, il sacrifice one season of enjoyment if it means getting to the C'ship and getting some quality in. but God help us if we dont go up this year.

as an aside, we were lucky last night. i doubt thatll continue.

all the players we had who could do that have been sold... ill take limping past teams (if thats what we're doing?) if it means being (joint) top

 

[blade too long]

completely agree. bored out of my mind watching that. id far rather see us play entertaining stuff and lose than play like that and nick it.

the words of losers , we lost but we looked great
if it takes another 23 dull 1-0 wins to get out of here , bring it on

 

[LSF]

i watch it for entertainment and there was no entertainment whatsoever.

You could try going to the circus?

 

[B.Lade]

We have suddenly become a truly awful side to watch and it is a great shame. Promotion is the only option now for Wilson if he is going down this route. I like the bloke, like his honesty but the football has become a disgrace and people will turn very quickly if the clean sheets stop. I cannot see any possibility of that side going up and think comparison with Charlton last term are well wide of the mark. If we do go up we would be a complete laughing stock unless circa 15 new players come in with ability to hold the ball.

Seeing Williams on our left flank sickens me, seeing Cresswell come on sickens me - the thought of Doyle for another 3 years sickens me even more.

The real villain of the piece though is in tax exile in Brussells desperately tryiong to keep his property empire afloat (please see Scarborough accounts).

Do you have a standard template you use, or is it a skill you've perfected across your hundreds of identical posts?

 

[Pinchy]

how can you say performances dont matter? i dont watch football for us to limp past Portsmouth with awful football. i watch it for entertainment and there was no entertainment whatsoever.

i want to see us play one twos, take players on, have shots. last night we just lumped it and for a side thats 'too big for this division' it was embarrassing. Im not saying its Wilson's fault and ul never have heard me say its McCabe's fault. i dont know whose fault it is.

but that my friends was boring and painful to watch. as i said earlier, il sacrifice one season of enjoyment if it means getting to the C'ship and getting some quality in. but God help us if we dont go up this year.

as an aside, we were lucky last night. i doubt thatll continue.

I agree with almost all of that, Sheff, apart from the assertion that we were lucky. I don't see that. We scored a perfectly valid goal arising out of good play by Chris Porter and a typically sublime penalty from Nick Blackman. They had no hard luck stories. No wrongfully disallowed goal; no ball over the line; no penalty claim missed; and If you want to score from 30 yards, hit the target not the goal frame!

I too will live with these performances for one season only on a "strictly necessary" basis. For what it's worth, DW has been a purveyor of proper football throughout his career. He would not readily resort to unattractive football if it could be avoided. I''m convinced he'll recruit wisely if and when we go up and we'll see some entertainment. McCabe hired him to change the style of play, remember and that remains part of his job description. It also happens to be the way he likes to play and also manifestly the right way to play the game.

So, for now, I'm cautiously content, if not exactly satisfied. I shall never subscribe, however, to the "results are all that matters" school of thought. That way lies the Blackwellian abyss. In any event. history demonstrates, as I have reminded the now discredited We ❤ Hoof Brigade on many occasions, that the best football teams get the best results, and the higher the level, the more that holds good.

 

[blade too long]

watch football for entertainment , Ive been watching us since 1962 and truly entertaining games wouldnt fill 1 season
in fact that goes for football in its entirety
watching England , dull the prem sends me to sleep at times
man city up to christmas , having spent 700 million , dull
charlton won 3 on the trot last season 1-0 twice, one of them beat wednesday us and exeter , how many of those thrilled the charlton fan , but all that mattered was they got 9 points
I love to see a tony currie , a brian deane a 30 yard pin point pass, but when that final whistle goes I want us to have scored 1 more than the opposition
we are not playing hoof , Wilson is starting again from scratch and with one hand tied behind his back
you lot moaning want to get real, weve swopped a 3 million pound forward for a 300k forward , and sit joint top
but all you can do is complain
the moaning on the radio is embarrassing and playing right into wendy fans hands
one saying the 3 As, is a closet pig fan in my eyes
if he feels that kindly fuck off to hillsborough,

We are in difficult times due to our position , an other season here down to our star man letting his todger loose , nothing else, not mccabe, players fail in play off finals , not the management
to get 90 points and not go up is our bad fortune, it might never happen again

 

[Patrick Suffaux]

how can you say performances dont matter?

By using the league table to demonstrate my point. Apparently we haven't been playing well but we're second (joint top but for GD) which goes to show that good performances aren't a must at this level.

I have no objection to being entertained by United and I realise that's important to some people but I am a win at all costs kind of supporter. Performances are secondary to me and as long as we win promotion I couldn't give a flying about the standard of our perfomance.

You'll need to explain to me how we were lucky last night because I cant get my head around that one.

 

[Sheff de party]

By using the league table to demonstrate my point. Apparently we haven't been playing well but we're second (joint top but for GD) which goes to show that good performances aren't a must at this level.

I have no objection to being entertained by United and I realise that's important to some people but I am a win at all costs kind of supporter. Performances are secondary to me and as long as we win promotion I couldn't give a flying about the standard of our perfomance.

You'll need to explain to me how we were lucky last night because I cant get my head around that one.

clearly we are different types of supporter and i accept that. if you value results and i value entertainment sir, we shall have to disagree and that is the basis for a forum!

on the subject of luck, i will explain my opinion. once did i see us put 3 passes together and create something. never did i see us have a spell of pressure that convinced me we would score. twice did i think the ball was about to end up in the net - Harry's shot and the penalty (i did miss the first 10 mins and i know Blackman had a decent chance.

its not that i think we were close to losing. they created very little and we defended very well. i think we were lucky to score because in 90 mins of football, all we really created was a long ball over the top followed by a heavy touch by a shocking striker and a poor decision by a defender. if Porter controls that properly or the defender doesnt take leave of his senses, the game finishes 0-0 i think. we never looked like scoring apart from the 3 (of which i saw 2 live) chances. therefore, i think we were lucky. as i said, just my opinion.

 

[puppet]

clearly we are different types of supporter and i accept that. if you value results and i value entertainment sir, we shall have to disagree and that is the basis for a forum!

on the subject of luck, i will explain my opinion. once did i see us put 3 passes together and create something. never did i see us have a spell of pressure that convinced me we would score. twice did i think the ball was about to end up in the net - Harry's shot and the penalty (i did miss the first 10 mins and i know Blackman had a decent chance.

its not that i think we were close to losing. they created very little and we defended very well. i think we were lucky to score because in 90 mins of football, all we really created was a long ball over the top followed by a heavy touch by a shocking striker and a poor decision by a defender. if Porter controls that properly or the defender doesnt take leave of his senses, the game finishes 0-0 i think. we never looked like scoring apart from the 3 (of which i saw 2 live) chances. therefore, i think we were lucky. as i said, just my opinion.

Dear oh dear!

 

[mpjacko]

I'm guessing for those that care, it's more your refusal to ever accept and embrace our lofty position in the league table or indeed anything good we do but your total willingness to jump on anything even remotely negative.

Negative opinions are fine as long as there is justification for them or in other words, as long as the reasons you give actually matter. Performances don't as long as we win.....no matter how much you may value the standard of play over results it will never matter. The league table doesnt measure entertainment value.

It's the blades way to lead fans in to a false sense of security, plus there is also the tendency for many fans on this forum to wear blinkers. As long as fans remain realistic ( I remember many were booking their promotion party for the last game of the season last November) we as fans shouldn't go wrong but life being a blades fan isn't like that.

 

[mpjacko]

[quote="Sheff de party, post: 451563Im not saying its Wilson's fault and ul never have heard me say its McCabe's fault. i dont know whose fault it is.
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Just so you know for the future, it's mainly KM fault for making bad decision over the past number of years

 

[mpjacko]

clearly we are different types of supporter and i accept that. if you value results and i value entertainment sir, we shall have to disagree and that is the basis for a forum!

on the subject of luck, i will explain my opinion. once did i see us put 3 passes together and create something. never did i see us have a spell of pressure that convinced me we would score. twice did i think the ball was about to end up in the net - Harry's shot and the penalty (i did miss the first 10 mins and i know Blackman had a decent chance.

its not that i think we were close to losing. they created very little and we defended very well. i think we were lucky to score because in 90 mins of football, all we really created was a long ball over the top followed by a heavy touch by a shocking striker and a poor decision by a defender. if Porter controls that properly or the defender doesnt take leave of his senses, the game finishes 0-0 i think. we never looked like scoring apart from the 3 (of which i saw 2 live) chances. therefore, i think we were lucky. as i said, just my opinion.

You also have to remember, if you don't wear blinkers, your opinion doesn't count.

 

[Bergen Blade]

all the players we had who could do that have been sold... ill take limping past teams (if thats what we're doing?) if it means being (joint) top

We do have options within the squad that would have seen us play with more width and creativity down the flanks. At the same time this would have meant less defensive solidity and less experience.

It is a choice, a dilemma, something that other managers would have done differently, but so far Wilson has made defensive solidity his priority. It has meant we've conceded few goals and often had enough quality to nick a match winning goal. The table shows that it has been pretty successful.

Whether a more attacking style of play would have been worse, similar or better is impossible to say for certain though.

 

[Patrick Suffaux]

clearly we are different types of supporter and i accept that. if you value results and i value entertainment sir, we shall have to disagree and that is the basis for a forum!

on the subject of luck, i will explain my opinion. once did i see us put 3 passes together and create something. never did i see us have a spell of pressure that convinced me we would score. twice did i think the ball was about to end up in the net - Harry's shot and the penalty (i did miss the first 10 mins and i know Blackman had a decent chance.

its not that i think we were close to losing. they created very little and we defended very well. i think we were lucky to score because in 90 mins of football, all we really created was a long ball over the top followed by a heavy touch by a shocking striker and a poor decision by a defender. if Porter controls that properly or the defender doesnt take leave of his senses, the game finishes 0-0 i think. we never looked like scoring apart from the 3 (of which i saw 2 live) chances. therefore, i think we were lucky. as i said, just my opinion.

Perhaps so but I dont think as supporters we can expect a cherry on top of winning when we are in the third division with third division players. It doesnt lend itself to having gifted and entertaining players. I'm a realist when it comes to that.

I'll explain why I didnt see any luck whatsoever. Portsmouth created next to nothing and we never looked in trouble. We created the two best chances in the game before Porter won a legitimate penalty which led to the winning goal. Porter knew he wasn't going anywhere and managed to draw a foul out of the defender. Not sure why all of that makes us lucky but we'll agree to disagree.