Negative football enough is enough

[sheepbridge]

Tbh, we might as well accept it for what it is. Wilder isn't going anywhere for the forseeable future unless he wants to, and that will only happen if we look like getting relegated and he does what he did the the Premier League.

We'd be even more of a laughing stock than we are now if we were to get rid of him again.

 

[Cheeky Blade]

I missed that, was it about vertical football.

Played on the horizontal plane?

I have no idea what it means but I'm sure its the future - much like garlic bread was, back in the day.

It’s here:

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[CarlMcBlade]

A team that has scored 3 goals in 8 league games continues to play 1 man up front.
In my 55 years of watching this team, rarely have i seen such a continual negative attitude when things are not working. If you are not scoring goals, then change the formation. It is crying out for a 2 man front line, regardless who they are, if only to upset the opposition, who these days are only used to playing against 1 forward.
Let's be honest, Hull were poor, like many teams encountered this season & yet they score from limited opportunities.
Let's get onto corners. Again we have numerous, yet once again, we fail to look like we have any plan / idea in what we are doing / hope to achieve. For a team that is failing to create many other opportunities, this is a crucial chance to change your chances of scoring. It is clear that this is something that has been neglected for several years, (under Wilder)
Wilder, blames the players. He sets the team up in this negative formation, which was not / is not working.
Please, try 4,4,2 or 5,3,2. Football is a simple game, made difficult by stubborn managers or coaches.

I think we’re intentionally picking a formation to incorporate certain players…Even if those players are consistently underperforming.

 

[CornwallBlade]

I think it's fair to say that nothing is going for us at the moment, particularly in the big moments. Today Gus hits the inside of the post, they score with a shot that would have gone over the bar if it hadn't deflected off Ogbene, there is a massive melee where the ball just doesn't drop for us and it culminates in the missed pen.

Having said that, it seemed to me there was a stark contrast in terms of balls into the box. Our corners and general set plays were poor, Hull scored from a cross from deep but they had at least 4 or 5 players in the box. We, on the other hand, either didn't get the ball in early enough or when it did go in the box, there was hardly anyone there.

I wouldn't disagree that playing two up might improve on that (as long as one of the two isn't Cannon), however we look so fragile in midfield and at the back, that I'm not sure it's a good idea. Add to that is how we play 2 up and Hamer and O'Hare. I can see the logic in playing 5-3-2 with Hamer playing the 'Duffy' role behind the front two, but we couldn't play O'Hare in that set up.

O’Hare really shouldn’t be in the team, he’s ok as a sub coming on when people are tired and he can force mistakes but ineffectual otherwise

 

[Danetheblade]

Look what Wilder inherited though.
A disjointed team without confidence on a bad losing run.
He has managed to considerably tighten up the defense and you can see that the team is starting to gel.
Thought they played well today particularly in the second half.
Goals are the problem.
Penalty misses don’t help of course, but Campbell isn’t going to score that many and other than Hamer we lack attacking midfielders that know where the net is.
We also don’t seem to have the crucial “game winners” that force the fkr in at all costs.
Also not sure where Lady Luck has gone. She checked out with about 30 mins to go in the playoff final and hasn’t been seen since.

Look at the squad he had last season. Shite for half the season, pathetic up top most of it. Boring, dire football that’s now been found out. Those scrappy one nil victories aren’t happening hence why we’re bottom of the table.

 

[CornwallBlade]

I think we’re intentionally picking a formation to incorporate certain players…Even if those players are consistently underperforming.

Classic Wilder then……...

 

[NewyorkBlade]

Look at the squad he had last season. Shite for half the season, pathetic up top most of it. Boring, dire football that’s now been found out. Those scrappy one nil victories aren’t happening hence why we’re bottom of the table.

Anyone remember when wilder 1st came to the lane,he said I used to come to the games and see more people looking at their phones than the pitch,well that's not going to happen no more,I want the fans off their seats, excited and going home happy.That lasted well eh???

 

[Danetheblade]

Anyone remember when wilder 1st came to the lane,he said I used to come to the games and see more people looking at their phones than the pitch,well that's not going to happen no more,I want the fans off their seats, excited and going home happy.That lasted well eh???

Nearly a decade has passed since then.

 

[CarlMcBlade]

Classic Wilder then……...

Yes, and I don’t carry any Wilder baggage either way.

 

[CarlMcBlade]

O’Hare really shouldn’t be in the team, he’s ok as a sub coming on when people are tired and he can force mistakes but ineffectual otherwise

I like O’Hare and think he is one of our better performers this season, but I also think we need to be ruthless and scrap his position in the team altogether, we should go for a three across middle and two up top. This maybe unfortunate for O’Hare and possibly the wingers…But our current position dictates a need for radical change.

 

[Blade56]

I think we’re intentionally picking a formation to incorporate certain players…Even if those players are consistently underperforming.

Wilderwang

 

[Stretch]

Campbell could operate as a single striker, if we played to his strengths, which is playing off the CBs shoulder and running behind. Instead we lump it forward and expect him to latch onto the ball supported by 2 short arses in Hamer and O'Hare.

If we insist on playing like that we need a proper CF alongside Campbell, and One is the only one who fits the bill at the moment, even if only for an hour. Stick Hamer behind them two and see what happens.

 

[Blade56]

Heard lots of friends and my sons saying players wouldn’t play for Sellés. It appears they won’t play for Wilder either.

 

[Gannon's perm]

I'm not sure it makes a difference what formation we play or which players start. We simply haven't haven't got the players in the squad that score goals. Campbell got 10 last season, which is the most he's ever scored. Fine as a second striker, but we don't have another. Ings hasn't played or scored regularly for years. Gus and O'Hare may get 4/5 each and same for Burrows. That's your lot though, Peck, Matos, Soumare, Davies maybe a goal or two combined if you're lucky. Same from all centre backs. Seriki, Macallum and Ogbene maybe 3/4 combined at a push.

We don't have players that have scored enough goals in their careers previously to get anywhere near the amount of goals we need in a season. The only goal threats we have are Campbell, Gus and O'Hare and they're hardly proflic. 20 from those 3 in a season, is a good season. An in form Burrows and maybe you get 25 from those 4. Rest of the team offer no threat whatsoever and that's why we can't score goals. We don't have the players that can score goals in the team.

To survive, we're going to have to win enough games 1v0 or have 4/5 other players doubling their best ever scoring season. Neither of which are looking very likely. With the players we have and the goals they've scored historically, we've got about 30 goals in the squad if we're lucky.

 

[Tickhill Blade]

I'm not sure it makes a difference what formation we play or which players start. We simply haven't haven't got the players in the squad that score goals. Campbell got 10 last season, which is the most he's ever scored. Fine as a second striker, but we don't have another. Ings hasn't played or scored regularly for years. Gus and O'Hare may get 4/5 each and same for Burrows. That's your lot though, Peck, Matos, Soumare, Davies maybe a goal or two combined if you're lucky. Same from all centre backs. Seriki, Macallum and Ogbene maybe 3/4 combined at a push.

We don't have players that have scored enough goals in their careers previously to get anywhere near the amount of goals we need in a season. The only goal threats we have are Campbell, Gus and O'Hare and they're hardly proflic. 20 from those 3 in a season, is a good season. An in form Burrows and maybe you get 25 from those 4. Rest of the team offer no threat whatsoever and that's why we can't score goals. We don't have the players that can score goals in the team.

To survive, we're going to have to win enough games 1v0 or have 4/5 other players doubling their best ever scoring season. Neither of which are looking very likely. With the players we have and the goals they've scored historically, we've got about 30 goals in the squad if we're lucky.

Couldn't agree more, we didn't have enough goals in the side last season and then we actually made it worse in the summer. We basically swapped Moore and Brewster, who barely scored, for Ings who will barely play

 

[Bladesince59]

Watford and Boro were right. He's past it.

 

[John Street West Terrace]

It's really not fair to pin it all on that.

Moore was part of a team that failed to go up automatically, then blew the final.

The team, squad and management failed. Not just him.

He doesn't deserve that.

Thank fuck for some common sense around Moore , people forget his performances in the semis when he bullied the Bristol City centre backs & played half a season up top on his own . The irony is there were many on here who said they drive him personally to Wrexham & at the present he’s exactly what we need . Some of our fan base do love a scapegoat

 

[Gannon's perm]

Couldn't agree more, we didn't have enough goals in the side last season and then we actually made it worse in the summer. We basically swapped Moore and Brewster, who barely scored, for Ings who will barely play

Plus we've added Matos and Soumare, who have one goal between them . Peck has zero and Davies has 8. I really don't see where the goals are going to come from. Those midfielders aren't going to get you anywhere near 10 goals combined in a season. They don't really offer anything in terms of assists either. Are any of Cannon, Ings and One gonna get 10 goals? I don't think they'll get close to 10 combined.


Our build up is way too slow and if we do get in to good positions, there's only Campbell to aim for in the box. That's if the good position hasn't resulted from Campbell running the channels, of it has, then there's no one. Only Hamer and Burrows are gonna score from any kind of distance. Ogbene and his pace are wasted, as he's far too deep to use his pace on the counter or balls over the top.

 

[Blade]

Tap tap tap tap tap back to the keeper tap tap tap tap in behind play it back tap tap tap shit cross GK catches… rinse and repeat

Booooooooooooooooorrrrrrrrring

Tap tap tap. Bloody greta garbo.

 

[Thrice]

I mean, this is a squad that was one goal away from getting promoted to the Premier League last season. And they didn't get that close because of Wilder's superior tactics.
Some key players are gone now, but I refuse to believe that the quality isn't there anymore to compete in this division.

Scoring goals is an issue right now, but well-instructed teams find a way, even if they don't have that 20 goal scorer. You do that by committee, you outplay teams. This team can't even create chances on a consistent basis right now and the blame for that lies firmly with the manager, imo.
I just don't see any attacking patterns, any coherent style of play, anything that makes me believe that Wilder can outcoach any manager in this league.
Maybe that's one reason why Selles failed so spectacularly. The team went from no style of play to overcomplicated style of play and they simply couldn't make the switch.

I guess our only hope right now is that they can grind out another win, gain some confidence and maybe some momentum.

 

[Champagneblade]

Sadly that Play Off Final looks like being the most significant’Sliding Doors’ moment for this club in modern history. No one could have predicted this implosion…..

One subjective VAR and the fortunes of two clubs dramatically impacted. It’s the rules but the fact they set off on par after finishing 16 in arrears is outrageous in itself.

Still find it shocking now.

From the correct angles the goalie saw the ball at the time it was struck and it was travelling well. No way was he getting it. Souza edging across made no difference at all. None of them even appealed.

Typical VAR meddling and poking its nose in where it’s not needed. Ironically we’d have had another penalty yesterday if we had VAR. not that I’d have been confident but it’s ironic it’s there being imho incorrectly applied when you don’t need it and when you do it’s nowhere to be seen. Another big reason why it shouldn’t have been used in the final.

 

[ben1987]

Give Potter a call and stick Wilder upstairs

I don’t understand this desire to move wilder upstairs when one of a director of football’s responsibilities is to co-ordinate transfers and wilder has shown time and time again he’s absolutely atrocious with money. Hes previously largely been against overseas scouting and recruitment.

 

[CornwallBlade]

I mean, this is a squad that was one goal away from getting promoted to the Premier League last season. And they didn't get that close because of Wilder's superior tactics.
Some key players are gone now, but I refuse to believe that the quality isn't there anymore to compete in this division.

Scoring goals is an issue right now, but well-instructed teams find a way, even if they don't have that 20 goal scorer. You do that by committee, you outplay teams. This team can't even create chances on a consistent basis right now and the blame for that lies firmly with the manager, imo.
I just don't see any attacking patterns, any coherent style of play, anything that makes me believe that Wilder can outcoach any manager in this league.
Maybe that's one reason why Selles failed so spectacularly. The team went from no style of play to overcomplicated style of play and they simply couldn't make the switch.

I guess our only hope right now is that they can grind out another win, gain some confidence and maybe some momentum.

If you look at thr golden spell under Wilder it was substantially about sweeping down the wide channels with overlapping runners and getting quality balls into the box.
It is crystal clear that they are now coached not to commit in the final third, hence the stop, reverse back across the back line bore fest. I can only put it down to the widespread obsession with not losing the ball when you’re committing players forwards - that has largely ruined the game as spectacle. I get it at the very highest level but not the EFL. I simply don’t see the risk of us losing possession on the edge of their box and ending up conceding within 20 seconds - we’re not playing teams of that capability.
What it does require is players with the strength/pace to skin defenders and fitness levels in midfield and defence to track back at speed - I don’t see that in our current team either unfortunately.

 

[jono_t2000]

I think we’re intentionally picking a formation to incorporate certain players…

Yet we continue to play our best defender (Tanganga) out of position

 

[Blade56]

He has managed to considerably tighten up the defense

No he hasn’t, the defence was built by Sellés.

 

[ATL Recs]

Look what Wilder inherited though.
A disjointed team without confidence on a bad losing run.
He has managed to considerably tighten up the defense and you can see that the team is starting to gel.
Thought they played well today particularly in the second half.
Goals are the problem.
Penalty misses don’t help of course, but Campbell isn’t going to score that many and other than Hamer we lack attacking midfielders that know where the net is.
We also don’t seem to have the crucial “game winners” that force the fkr in at all costs.
Also not sure where Lady Luck has gone. She checked out with about 30 mins to go in the playoff final and hasn’t been seen since.

The issue goes back to last season since beating Coventry we have won 3 league games 2 of them when there was nothing at stake ( autos gone) and Oxford last week that’s 3 wins in 17

 

[Pollingtonblade]

I'm not sure it makes a difference what formation we play or which players start. We simply haven't haven't got the players in the squad that score goals. Campbell got 10 last season, which is the most he's ever scored. Fine as a second striker, but we don't have another. Ings hasn't played or scored regularly for years. Gus and O'Hare may get 4/5 each and same for Burrows. That's your lot though, Peck, Matos, Soumare, Davies maybe a goal or two combined if you're lucky. Same from all centre backs. Seriki, Macallum and Ogbene maybe 3/4 combined at a push.

We don't have players that have scored enough goals in their careers previously to get anywhere near the amount of goals we need in a season. The only goal threats we have are Campbell, Gus and O'Hare and they're hardly proflic. 20 from those 3 in a season, is a good season. An in form Burrows and maybe you get 25 from those 4. Rest of the team offer no threat whatsoever and that's why we can't score goals. We don't have the players that can score goals in the team.

To survive, we're going to have to win enough games 1v0 or have 4/5 other players doubling their best ever scoring season. Neither of which are looking very likely. With the players we have and the goals they've scored historically, we've got about 30 goals in the squad if we're lucky.

I can't like this post enough and have been saying this since 1st game.

Take Sharp away we haven't had a prolific scorer for years, we certainly dont in this team. Wilder doesnt do two and three goals, so if opposition score usually best we can hope for is a draw.

Unless in January we sign 1 or 2 proven strikers, which is unlikely with the snails pace we do business we are gone and even then it will be far to late.

 

[ancientblade]

were playing 1 up top to accomodate hamer and o'hare in the same team and its just not working wilder has to bite the bullit and drop o'hare and get 2 strikers in up top if nothing else it gives us another body in front of the ball to pass to 3412 is the way forward with davies and matsos as the 2 midfielders and hamer allowed to roam in behind the 2 strikers also think seriki and ogbene could be a very good pairing down the right but we must start putting crosses in to the opposition box as well

 

[GymClassHero]

Give Potter a call and stick Wilder upstairs

You're mad. Potter is a fraud, also has a hugely inflated view of his own abilities.

 

[TJ blade]

Tbh, we might as well accept it for what it is. Wilder isn't going anywhere for the forseeable future unless he wants to, and that will only happen if we look like getting relegated and he does what he did the the Premier League.

We'd be even more of a laughing stock than we are now if we were to get rid of him again.

He'll be here in L1 next season! These owners dont know which way to turn with there incompetence, they already know we're a laughing stock! And must be worried about making it worse! Maybe they might but the club up for sale again, wouldn't surprise me one bit!