Our new investor: does none of this matter ?

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Not going to be a popular view, this, but here goes ...

Is anyone at all troubled that half the club has been bought by a member of the Al Saud family ? I'm no fan of Toby Foster, as a rule, but if he's been banging on about Amnesty International this morning on Radio Sheffield, then good luck to him. The Al Saud family run a regime whose use of arbitrary detention, torture and an A-Z of human rights abuse has been widely catalogued, and not just by the usual suspects in human rights groups. There's plenty of level-headed and informed opinion on this knocking about.

Here's a paragraph from The Spectator this March, describing events in Saudi Arabia during a visit by Prince Charles. While Charles was there,

"the country executed seven men by firing squad for a robbery committed while they were still juveniles. One had originally been sentenced to death by crucifixion although King Abdullah [our new investor's grandpa, I think ?]intervened to bring his sentence in line with that of his peers. Then, courts in Riyadh also handed draconian prison sentences to two founders of the Saudi Civil and Political Rights Association. Both were given 10 year sentences along with five year travel bans on their release. The government had told Qahtani and Hamed they would be spared custodial sentences if they agreed to dissolve ACPRA and stop campaigning for human rights. Both refused".

The point of this story was that the Al Sauds are so shameless about the way they do their thing that they couldn't be arsed to postpone any of this while a visitor like HRH was around, at a time when there's great political sensitivity and a lot of media attention attached to such a visit.

That's before we get to the question of the Al Sauds' long partnership with the CIA and the Pentagon, and the part this has played in stimulating the shitstorm currently kicking off across much of the Arab world. Anyone doubting the importance of this partnership should track down what Osama bin Laden, for example, had to say about US-Saudi relations. As a Saudi, it is absolutely bang central to his political thinking. It was a major contributory factor in the 9/11 attacks, and everything that has followed. Until the war in Iraq, the US had tens of thousands of troops still stationed in Saudi Arabia as a hangover from the Gulf War in the early 1990s. Currently, among other things, the CIA operates a drone base in Saudi Arabia which is used for targeted assassinations in the region, particularly in Yemen.

Domestic opponents of the Saudi regime will describe a family dynasty which has enriched itself over generations while impoverishing its people, partly through ruthless repression of political opposition and partly by selling the country's oil to the US at cut-price rates--in return for which the US has offered military and intelligence training and, at times of crisis like the Gulf War, military protection.

Does none of this matter ? (serious and well-intentioned question).
 



I think all of the above are perfectly reasonable qualms to have, and always think minority/unpopular views have a right to be heard but where do you draw the line? It could equally be claimed everytime you fill your car you are tacitly supporting a regime and way of life you disapprove of.

I understand some may have to wrestle with their conscience a bit but I don't see how the world would be a better place if KM turned round and said "no", not for us, thank you. They'd just move on elsewhere.

I'm not turning cartwheels myself tbh, but that's more because I want to see how it all pans out before making a judgement call.
 
Interesting arguments. Whose hands are clean in the murky world of geo-politics ? Texas executes more than any state in the world with the possible exception of Iran. The US have been responsible for more deaths since world war 2 yet no one questions the rich Yanks involvement in the Prem. I'm afraid quoting that right wing rag the Spectator won't convince many. Agree with your overall sentiments about football supporters not giving two hoots to the rights and wrongs in this world.
 
Does none of this matter ? (serious and well-intentioned question).

If FIFA aren`t concerned about anti-homosexuality legistlation in Qatar, I'm not sure we can be too concerned about something in Saudi Arabia that our guy probably has little, or no influence over...
 
I think it is quite reasonable to have issues with the appalling human rights violations in Saudi Arabia. What influence or impact this guy has, who knows? I do find it odd that any argument discussing this gets the person flamed as some raging xenophobic racist though.
 
Thing our Friend Fatty Samuels may have a field day :fattwat:
However where do you draw the line. In this murky world we live in, then perhaps we would be staying in doors all day with curtains closed if you didn't want to be involved with something that had a shady or murky past or present. Its the way of the world at the moment.
We can only influence people by showing them the way that we believe that people should act, and maybe this investor will see something in Sheffield that will influence him to try and change things in his country, no matter how small a chance that is.

Unfortunately like it or loathe it, it is the only way we can influence anyone, boycotting Saudi Petrol, goods or whatever else they produce is not going to change there minds. Working on individuals will have more effect in the longer term.
 
Thing our Friend Fatty Samuels may have a field day :fattwat:
However where do you draw the line. In this murky world we live in, then perhaps we would be staying in doors all day with curtains closed if you didn't want to be involved with something that had a shady or murky past or present. Its the way of the world at the moment.
We can only influence people by showing them the way that we believe that people should act, and maybe this investor will see something in Sheffield that will influence him to try and change things in his country, no matter how small a chance that is.

Unfortunately like it or loathe it, it is the only way we can influence anyone, boycotting Saudi Petrol, goods or whatever else they produce is not going to change there minds. Working on individuals will have more effect in the longer term.

I hope he does have a field day, CGB. But on what basis, I ask? I have seen two well argued points above regarding the Saudi human rights abuses, and of course the fact that many states in the US still send people to the chair. Is either one correct, or is the truth somewhere in between?
 
Do you know our new pal Abdullah has acted apon any of these laws. From what I have read about this guy, he lives a very western lifestyle?
 
I hope he does have a field day, CGB. But on what basis, I ask? I have seen two well argued points above regarding the Saudi human rights abuses, and of course the fact that many states in the US still send people to the chair. Is either one correct, or is the truth somewhere in between?

Or is any correct, it is something people can argue about till the cows come home..... the only way any country can be influenced as by reasoned debate, not bombing (that will only ever be a short term solution till the problem returns), not invasion, and not boycotting or having nothing to do with them, always better to talk or influence, then not having anything to do with them. Unfortunately Saudi Arabia have got rich on a commodity we need, and therefore we need to deal with them and then hopefully there internal ways will change.
 
At least you may have an opportunity to make your feelings known to him (from the back of the South Stand).
 
I really dont see what this has to do with Sheffield United?
Im leaving politics out of this as i beleive that Sport & Politics should not mix.
 



FFS, no matter what United do, some will always find fault. United announce potentially the most significant development in the club for many a year (possibly nigh on 125 years!!) and the sales of grappling irons go through the roof as people scramble and clamber for the moral high ground to pass judgement on individuals they know fluck all about. He's from Saudi Arabia, that must mean he hangs people personally or chops their hands off!!

If he were Chinese, no doubt the same complaints would be made and clearly a Texan is persona non grata round these parts and by association, all his American associates. If he were German, people would no doubt be looking for a family history of goose stepping anti-semites or ancestors who built the bombs that landed on their Granny's two up two down. We don't want these types associated with our club, for goodness sake!

So basically, we are looking for a guy with pots of money who was born in Sharrow, supported United all his life and is prepared to throw a significant proportion of his personal wealth at United, preferably with a son or two who will pick up the mantle when he moves on. Anything else will be viewed with cynicism and/or scepticism.

Does anyone know anyone who fits the bill?

If they do, warn him that he will probably end up being insulted, abused and slagged off by many of those who yearned for him in the first place.
 
There are outrages all over the world. Saudi does not have a great record and I still hypocritically continue to fill my car with petrol.

I'm afraid I'm so weak willed and helpless that I'm just going to continue watching United.

I'm hoping the football will improve.
 
There are massive cultural differences between Sheffielders and Saudi's, but do we need to get our new owner to see what his views are on these subjects? Or is he guilty by association?
 
Mr Abramovich has been responsible for many 'incidents' in the past. Piss him off and you'll know about it. But less people care about this, which is possibly due to the fact that he's not from the middle east and therefore can't be considered a 'terrorist' or a threat to the west
 
From what I gather Prince Abdulah is one of 4000 princes in Saudi Arabia. He is nephew of the king and maintains regular contact, but he doesn't appear to have much to do with Government policy. I agree with some of the points in the OP and if the Prince were an official, a close member of the royal family influencing Government policy or had anything to do with Saudi Arabia's horrendous human rights record then I would be very concerned. However he runs lots of different business, gambles heavily (he loves poker), loves Western sports and appears to be a very rich man leading some kind of strange playboy, entrepenerial lifestyle. From what I can see (which is not an awful lot) he is a very wealthy man, that loves sport that happens to be one of the many relatives of a murderous dictater. i could be wrong, but there appears to be little blood on his hands. I think if there was evidence that Price Abdulah had any involvement in the terrible repression of the nation then it would matter (for me at least). However, my opinion is that we should not be ashamed to have an association with this fella.
 
We can only influence people by showing them the way that we believe that people should act, and maybe this investor will see something in Sheffield that will influence him to try and change things in his country, no matter how small a chance that is.

"Eyup cunt, I'm gunna chop tha fucking ed off....." ?

:)

UTB
 
Where does the blame stop ,a Russian owner ,a Chinese owner or a Serbian owner all come from countries with questionable records.
 
Where does the blame stop ,a Russian owner ,a Chinese owner or a Serbian owner all come from countries with questionable records.
"Englishman, Irish man and Scotsman" jokes just aren't what they used to be since multiculturalism came into play...
 
Is he loaded ? Yes

Has he put money in our troubled club? Yes

By putting money in our club will he still do what he does? Yes

So does it really matter ? No
 
Thing our Friend Fatty Samuels may have a field day :fattwat:
However where do you draw the line. In this murky world we live in, then perhaps we would be staying in doors all day with curtains closed if you didn't want to be involved with something that had a shady or murky past or present. Its the way of the world at the moment.
We can only influence people by showing them the way that we believe that people should act, and maybe this investor will see something in Sheffield that will influence him to try and change things in his country, no matter how small a chance that is.

Unfortunately like it or loathe it, it is the only way we can influence anyone, boycotting Saudi Petrol, goods or whatever else they produce is not going to change there minds. Working on individuals will have more effect in the longer term.

ooooooooooooo careful what you say mate that's not very pc. The stazi will have you shot!
 



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