One for the moaners...

[oldblade]

To be fair oldblade, in those days, giving Harris stick would have involved writing a strongly worded letter to the Green Un and if they'd received 100 letters saying he was picking the wrong team, they'd probably have only printed one.

During our promotion season of 1983-4 we hit a wobbly spell around the turn of the year. I didn't live in Sheffield at the time, but used to have the Green Un posted to me every week. After we lost at Gillingham 4-2, the letters page in that paper was the newspaper equivalent of meltdown on here!

 

[Pinchy]

Yeah.

What the fuck does that mean? You gonna provide dialogue or argument to that, or just skulk and sulk?

pommpey

It means, as I acknowledged earlier, that you and others have every right to highlight 'faults and misgivings' as you put it. In fact there is nobody better, largely because you practice so much. You like nothing more than to deride the club you claim to support. Yes, you are a lesser supporter than me. You offer no support, but rather constant, mind-numbing, negative drivel. You delight in it. Never before or since have I heard any supporter wish that their club had a poorer playing field upon which to show their skills. That exemplifies the ludicrous level of your contributions.

Teams play badly and lose from time to time. All teams. You do understand that don't you, because you seem to take offence when our team concedes a throw-in, never mind a goal, or Pele forgive, loses a game. It's bizarre and doesn't even resemble 'support'.

The permanent transfer window is, to all intents and purposes, still open. There's no difference that matters between last Thursday and the last day of August.

 

[pommpey]

It means, as I acknowledged earlier, that you and others have every right to highlight 'faults and misgivings' as you put it. In fact there is nobody better, largely because you practice so much. You like nothing more than to deride the club you claim to support. Yes, you are a lesser supporter than me. You offer no support, but rather constant, mind-numbing, negative drivel. You delight in it. Never before or since have I heard any supporter wish that their club had a poorer playing field upon which to show their skills. That exemplifies the ludicrous level of your contributions.

What a risible pile of shit, and you know it. If you'd been paying close attention (which is a struggle for you, I know) you'll maybe deduce that if we play badly and play players who play badly, I reserve my right to offer critique. If that is 'deriding the club I claim to support' in your eyes, then okay, I'll live with that. Note also that, like many supporters, I am similarly quick to offer praise and encouragement when they do well. It maybe is a detail people like yourselves forget to understand, when you are in the throes of defending the indefensible or masturbating over trivia. For your information, I do offer support, but not at the expense of the almost click-bait shitstorm you claim to be aligned to. I mean … where the fuck were you to explain the complete surrender at minute twenty five of the last but one game, please? Do you reckon we were firing on all cylinders? Do you reckon we were worthy of praise?

And as for the playing surface … here >< is the point




And here you are ><

Enjoy

Teams play badly and lose from time to time. All teams. You do understand that don't you, because you seem to take offence when our team concedes a throw-in, never mind a goal, or Pele forgive, loses a game. It's bizarre and doesn't even resemble 'support'.

Nope. Tell me. What was your opinion of Swansea's second goal, please? reckon it was just bad luck? Against the run of play? What about Middlesbrough's first? Unlucky we didn't pounce on the ball in the six yard box and defend it effectively before their man swept it into the net with ease? Me neither. I reckon we were seriously sub optimal. I'd also wager that Clarke's fucked up header and Evans's good tackle on himself in the 18 yard box wasn't just 'bad luck'. It was shit play.

The permanent transfer window is, to all intents and purposes, still open.

I think you're wrong on this.

pommpey

 

[UlrikaJonssonPaintTrophy]

The moaners have watched plenty of football, 1000's of games in most cases. To dismiss them as knowing nothing about football is plain fucking stupid. Sure Wilder knows more than us. So does Weir, Clough and Adkins. but none of them are perfect. Occasionally, very occasionally that is, they are wrong and the moaners are right. The two matches prior to this and this one are cases in point where the moaners were proved right.

I never dismissed them as knowing nothing about football so don’t know why you’ve said that tbh. Thanks for the reply!

 

[Pinchy]

I think you're wrong on this.

pommpey

We’ll ask Lee Evans and Oliver Norwood to explain the difference, perhaps?

Another false, facile and off-target sideswipe at the club you so risibly claim to support.

‘Twas ever thus...

 

[Eric Cartman]

QPR who IMO looked good and could push for play offs.

You were doing well until that.

QPR are relegation fodder.

People had and to be fair still have very genuine concerns that deserve airing. It's now 10 wins in 33 I believe, which is better reading than single figures wins from 32 as it was before. Defensive deficiencies seemed to be getting better on saturday and we've shown some shoots of recovery.

Made a great signing in Norwood and hopefully we back that up with a good left wing back and top drawer championship striker which we are desperate for. We might make a fist of it though.

 

[pommpey]

We’ll ask Lee Evans and Oliver Norwood to explain the difference, perhaps?

Another false, facile and off-target sideswipe at the club you so risibly claim to support.

‘Twas ever thus...

Evans's deal was begun before the permanent window closed was it not? And both deals are 'loan with interest to buy'. That means that if Brighton want Norwood back this side of the JTW, they get him back. See also, Evans, until the deal is finalised (we hope) in January.

Hope this helps, love.

pommpey

 

[S5Blade]

Evans's deal was begun before the permanent window closed was it not? And both deals are 'loan with interest to buy'. That means that if Brighton want Norwood back this side of the JTW, they get him back. See also, Evans, until the deal is finalised (we hope) in January.

Hope this helps, love.

pommpey

They are loans that will become permanent I believe, not the option too.

Thats what local press are saying and im sure what wilder said on Friday.

 

[CrookesBlade]

Just been looking back at the 1970-1 promotion season under John Harris.

After 3 games we had won 1 and lost 2. None of those 3 sides finished higher than 10th. One of the defeats was against Orient, who only won 9 matches all season.

Not an awe inspiring start, but I don't recall Harris getting anything like the stick dished out to Wilder this last week.

I'm not saying we will get either promoted or relegated. It's far too early to get excited or concerned about either possibility. We need a few more games before we can draw any meaningful conclusions.

Spot on.

People used to say don't judge until 10 games have been played (it used to be the case that media outlets didn't even bother publishing the table til this point).

Managers used to be able to survive a season or two of mid-table mediocrity or even the odd relegation if they had enough good will in the bank and could go on to succeed (i.e. Alex Ferguson). Its fair to say that Wilder would be toast after 6 defeats in a row with everything that had gone prior to be of no consequence.

Gratification has to be instant in modern football and everything is either 'utter shite' or 'a worldie' (pause to be sick).

 

[HoodedClaw]

Evans's deal was begun before the permanent window closed was it not? And both deals are 'loan with interest to buy'. That means that if Brighton want Norwood back this side of the JTW, they get him back. See also, Evans, until the deal is finalised (we hope) in January.

Hope this helps, love.

pommpey

Recall clauses can only be insertrd into full season loan agreements and can only be excercised during the JTW.

https://www.efl.com/-more/governance/efl-rules--regulations/section-6---players/ - Section 55.1.2

Essentially the loans are permanent transfers, if agreed as such like Norwood and Evans, it just means the players registration doesn't transfer until the next window.

 

[pommpey]

Recall clauses can only be insertrd into full season loan agreements and can only be excercised during the JTW.

https://www.efl.com/-more/governance/efl-rules--regulations/section-6---players/ - Section 55.1.2

Essentially the loans are permanent transfers, if agreed as such like Norwood and Evans, it just means the players registration doesn't transfer until the next window.

So they aren't 'permanent' as such, as in 'he was signed on a full, permanent contract, before the transfer window closed?'

pommpey

 

[metalblade]

Recall clauses can only be insertrd into full season loan agreements and can only be excercised during the JTW.

https://www.efl.com/-more/governance/efl-rules--regulations/section-6---players/ - Section 55.1.2

Essentially the loans are permanent transfers, if agreed as such like Norwood and Evans, it just means the players registration doesn't transfer until the next window.

There is always the big little word IF
On another note I wasn't too impressed with CW's post match interview where he decided to have a pop back at his critics. As a professional he should be above that kind of reaction especially when his previous conflicting statements (I won't call them lies) contributed to fans frustrations. His half WIT mate doesn't help matters either tweeting his shite, fucking keyboard warriors eh. We don't need any Warnock wannabees and their gobby mates splitting the fan base. Managers good or bad come and go, the club and fans will be there a lot longer.

 

[Balham]

They are loans that will become permanent I believe, not the option too.

Thats what local press are saying and im sure what wilder said on Friday.

Both Evans' and Norwood's moves are loans with an obligation to buy so in effect they're permanent transfers but as the permanent window is closed they're both registered as loans for the first six months. Loans with obligation to buy are popular in Serie A, less so here where the more common deal is a loan with an option to buy.

Norwood will become a Sheffield United player on a permanent transfer in January when Evans will join Wigan. There's no (lawful) way of rescinding either deal.

So they aren't 'permanent' as such, as in 'he was signed on a full, permanent contract, before the transfer window closed?'

pommpey

No...but if that's your approach to it you should perhaps question what your ulterior motive is.

 

[Lil red rooster]

I know brightons head of recruitment,the guy lives in wigan and commutes down each week.Anyhow I know brighton and the blades see each other as trustworthy when it comes to deals .

This deal will have been done proffesionally and will go through in jan.
I know that they were well pleased with the jamie murphy deal.Both clubs are similar in approach when it comes to whats best and fair for players aswell as the money.

 

[Millhousesblade1889]

I think most sensible Blades wasn't necessarily moaning with a view of hoping Wilder leaves, I for one was extremely frustrated with our first two performances and team selection as were quite a few others.

Since then Wilder has gone back to what we're good at, taking the bull by the horns and he even described Saturday's win as 'a proper Sheffield United performance'.

We do still lack a quality striker and we're dependant on Sharps goals, Clarke is still majorly out of form, McGoldrick is still injury prone. We've not seen anything of Woodburn just yet so maybe he's the answer to our lack of strikers.

 

[HoodedClaw]

So they aren't 'permanent' as such, as in 'he was signed on a full, permanent contract, before the transfer window closed?'

pommpey

You didnt say the above initially, you said "I think you're wrong" in response to Pinchy's comment "The permanent transfer window is, to all intents and purposes, still open."

If it's been agreed between the clubs, as stated in the interview with Norwood, we entered into a contract to purchase him at an agreed fee in January when the window opens to allow registration transfers. Maybe I'm missing something, and apologies if I am, but what difference is there between that and a permanent contract "before the transfer window closed?"

 

[Pinchy]

They are loans that will become permanent I believe, not the option too.

Thats what local press are saying and im sure what wilder said on Friday.

It is, but the facts are immaterial to those with a bitter desire to deride their ‘own club’.

 

[Pinchy]

I think most sensible Blades wasn't necessarily moaning with a view of hoping Wilder leaves, I for one was extremely frustrated with our first two performances and team selection as were quite a few others.

Since then Wilder has gone back to what we're good at, taking the bull by the horns and he even described Saturday's win as 'a proper Sheffield United performance'.

We do still lack a quality striker and we're dependant on Sharps goals, Clarke is still majorly out of form, McGoldrick is still injury prone. We've not seen anything of Woodburn just yet so maybe he's the answer to our lack of strikers.

You gave them two out of forty-six before stamping your little foot, eh? Such generosity of spirit. Credit to you and the other tantrum-throwers. I’m proud to ‘support’ the same club.

 

[HoodedClaw]

There is always the big little word IF
On another note I wasn't too impressed with CW's post match interview where he decided to have a pop back at his critics. As a professional he should be above that kind of reaction especially when his previous conflicting statements (I won't call them lies) contributed to fans frustrations. His half WIT mate doesn't help matters either tweeting his shite, fucking keyboard warriors eh. We don't need any Warnock wannabees and their gobby mates splitting the fan base. Managers good or bad come and go, the club and fans will be there a lot longer.

Not sure what you mean about the big little word IF?

Norwood has confirmed he's committed to us for 2 1/2 years in Jan and United have confirmed on the website "United have agreed a loan until January with a permanent transfer to follow for the Wales international, who was on loan at the DW Stadium, prior to arriving at S2 from Wolves in January".

Regards Wilders post match interview, not listened to it so can't comment, but I do agree with your comments I've highlighted.

 

[BushBlade]

I know brightons head of recruitment,the guy lives in wigan and commutes down each week.Anyhow I know brighton and the blades see each other as trustworthy when it comes to deals .

This deal will have been done proffesionally and will go through in jan.
I know that they were well pleased with the jamie murphy deal.Both clubs are similar in approach when it comes to whats best and fair for players aswell as the money.

Do you know if Brighton once tried to buy Flynn off us? I heard they bid for him in our FA Cup run season and we turned them down. I’ve always suspected that, if true, it may be one of the reasons we don’t turn many approaches down, why we jumped at the Murphy offer.

 

[pommpey]

You gave them two out of forty-six before stamping your little foot, eh? Such generosity of spirit. Credit to you and the other tantrum-throwers. I’m proud to ‘support’ the same club.

And may I speak on behalf of all the brave souls who plucked up the courage to offer their opinion abut the prevailing situation at the time. Far be it for anyone who holds vaguely cynical views on the rather misfiring start to the season (S24SU passim) and the puzzling lack of engagement with the transfer market, despite Wilder's proclamations. For that, we are all not supporters, or more correctly, 'non-Blade Wankers' if my memory serves me right.

In fact, anyone who toddles along to the match, who despairs at Baldock's cross into the kop, who says, 'oh, for FUCK'S SAKE!' when Clarke spoons anther sitter or who looked at our midfield at the Boro or Swansea game and harboured the thought, 'what the FUCK is going on?' as Lundstram works tirelessly to be largely ineffective as a midfield dynamo … yes, you lot. Clear off. You're not supporters, like Pinchy. For him, the ingrained weaknesses still in the back three are a thing of celebration, regardless of a £4m upgrade. For him, the slow decay of Enda Stevens isn't much of a worry as he gets fucking skinned inside out. For him, Clarke will still finish the season of 20+ goals as it stands. We're all Blades, aren't we?

Pinchy's lack of tolerance and propensity to make things personal are typical of people who have summat to hide and summat to defend. I totally get the fact that many on here disagree fervently over the Desso, for example. I'd like it not to be come personal though. For Pinchy though, if you diss god, you aint no Christian.

Hope we beat Hull tonight and Woody, and Norwood (if playing) get a fucking hatful.

pommpey

 

[HoodedClaw]

So they aren't 'permanent' as such, as in 'he was signed on a full, permanent contract, before the transfer window closed?'

pommpey

Interesting to hear what Norwood thinks on the subject:

http://www.skysports.com/watch/video/sports/football/11471816/sheffield-utd-move-panics-norwood

 

[pommpey]

Do you know if Brighton once tried to buy Flynn off us? I heard they bid for him in our FA Cup run season and we turned them down. I’ve always suspected that, if true, it may be one of the reasons we don’t turn many approaches down, why we jumped at the Murphy offer.

Except Flynn played one game in six which was 6/10 (the rest being 5s and 4s) and was apt to be out thought and out muscled on the wing.

Murphy took two defenders with him wherever he went and could score goals.

We should have snatched their fucking hands off for Flynn. Eight quid. Take him. Here. Here's the bus fare too.

pommpey

 

[pommpey]

Interesting to hear what Norwood thinks on the subject:

http://www.skysports.com/watch/video/sports/football/11471816/sheffield-utd-move-panics-norwood

Typical Sky. Advert, then black screen

pommpey

 

[pommpey]

You didnt say the above initially, you said "I think you're wrong" in response to Pinchy's comment "The permanent transfer window is, to all intents and purposes, still open."

If it's been agreed between the clubs, as stated in the interview with Norwood, we entered into a contract to purchase him at an agreed fee in January when the window opens to allow registration transfers. Maybe I'm missing something, and apologies if I am, but what difference is there between that and a permanent contract "before the transfer window closed?"

Because it wasn't a transaction within the permanent transfer window, but a 'loan to buy' under the extended transfer window?

This is why I disagreed. Also,I kinda witnessed Sky Sports saying 'It is closed' at five o'clock. They may have been wrong and maybe should have consulted Pinchy before they made that hasty announcement.

pommpey

 

[Pinchy]

Because it wasn't a transaction within the permanent transfer window, but a 'loan to buy' under the extended transfer window?

This is why I disagreed. Also,I kinda witnessed Sky Sports saying 'It is closed' at five o'clock. They may have been wrong and maybe should have consulted Pinchy before they made that hasty announcement.

pommpey

You don't understand the phrase 'to all intents and purposes', do you?

 

[blade too long]

early season results are misleading

last years 1st day prem results
Saturday 12 August 2017

• Watford 3-3 Liverpool Vicarage Road, Watford
• West Brom 1-0 Bournemouth The Hawthorns, West Bromwich
• Southampton 0-0 Swansea St. Mary's Stadium, Southampton
• Everton 1-0 Stoke Goodison Park, Liverpool
• Crystal Palace 0-3 Huddersfield Selhurst Park, London
• Chelsea 2-3 Burnley Stamford Bridge, London
• Brighton 0-2 Man City

west brom be pushing for europe
chelsea relegation fodder huddersfield uefa cup chasing
palace relregation certs

one days or 2 days results are always misleading

 

[Lil red rooster]

Do you know if Brighton once tried to buy Flynn off us? I heard they bid for him in our FA Cup run season and we turned them down. I’ve always suspected that, if true, it may be one of the reasons we don’t turn many approaches down, why we jumped at the Murphy offer.

I don't think so he's never mentioned flynn but I do know mccabe was very reticent about selling murphy because he was a crowd favourite and brighton were forced to pay a little more than they wanted ,McCabe held out for fear of the backlash fron fans.Still only paid around 1.5 for him.

 

[Millhousesblade1889]

You gave them two out of forty-six before stamping your little foot, eh? Such generosity of spirit. Credit to you and the other tantrum-throwers. I’m proud to ‘support’ the same club.

A fans forum is built on opinions you have nearly 15,000 posts surely you've realised that by now?

Although yours did become some what irrelevant when you actively campaigned on here not to 'bring em back' inc Billy Sharp

Personally I missed two away games last season, been to every game this season so far including a trip to Portugal pre-season - not really sure what you class as 'support'?

We haven't been great in our games so far, do I trust Wilder will get it right 100% - Do I stand by my concerns in the first two games 100%

 

[pommpey]

You don't understand the phrase 'to all intents and purposes', do you?

As much as you misrepresent the term 'permanent transfer window'?

Keep saying it though, Pinchy. It must sound okay in your melon.

pommpey