Ollie Watkins

[CaptainMorgans]

28Million Christ

How much would moose be worth if we managed to get him fit and firingt 50/60 Million

Jesus what's happened to the market? Maupay didn't even fetch £20m last season and he's a much better player.

We just have to be patient this window and wait for EFL clubs to get desperate.

 

[Yogi]

The question is if Watkins moves for that much what does he conceivably have to do increase his value as an asset for villa? Wilson is widely regarded as a good striker at this level and won’t go for much more than that to increase his value Watkins will have to bag 15+ goals a season in what is a limited side it’s financial madness

 

[mcbladeface]

It seems like instead of agreeing that covid was going to mess up everyones finances and expect lower prices for their players, championship clubs have got together and decided that seeing as the prem clubs will be getting all the sky money, they can afford to subsidise the shortfalls in the championship and pay above the odds. Don't think there'll be many decent deals to be done.

I'm not too bothered in this instance. We were pretty much ruled out the moment Villa weighed in considering Dean Smith knows him so I hope Villa stay interested, Brentford stick to their guns and the negotiations drag on for as long as possible. Either eat up as much of Villa's warchest as possible or some proper transfer window time wasting so they're that embroiled in the negotiations, they can't really commit to other targets.

 

[bypassblade]

Villa are looking at Wilson apparently, there's no way even they would go for both.

Apparently according to BBC site Villa set to pay 20m for Wilson & 16m for Cash, with regards Watkins he was supposed to have an 18m release clause in contract.

 

[FTPE]

Apparently according to BBC site Villa set to pay 20m for Wilson & 16m for Cash, with regards Watkins he was supposed to have an 18m release clause in contract.

Reported over £20m now for Watkins. For that I'd rather nab wilson, or his strike partner King.

To be honest we sound extremely close to 2 signings listening to Wilders comments. That makes me think they are loan signings as they can go under the radar a bit easier.

 

[YES Blade]

I take my hat off to Brentford, if you’ve got a quality player you should get the highest fee possible.

The amount of times we heard the same old bollocks from McCabe after selling our best player “when the Premier League clubs come calling” etc etc. If the player is under contract, he leaves on the selling club’s terms, as Brentford are proving.

 

[Grizzly blade]

None of them.

Just go raid the German, Italian and French leagues for that money.
Better players and at a higher level.

Wilson has too many serious injury problems that are due to come back to haunt him anytime soon.
King I’ve never been that impressed with.
And Watkins...scores goals in a creative Brentford side. Looks ok. Nothing more. And isn’t even so quick hed cause a problem to the better standard of defender in the premier league. Stay well clear at £10m never mind whatever fee Brentford have dreamed up

 

[Weasel]

None of them.

Just go raid the German, Italian and French leagues for that money.
Better players and at a higher level.

Wilson has too many serious injury problems that are due to come back to haunt him anytime soon.
King I’ve never been that impressed with.
And Watkins...scores goals in a creative Brentford side. Looks ok. Nothing more. And isn’t even so quick hed cause a problem to the better standard of defender in the premier league. Stay well clear at £10m never mind whatever fee Brentford have dreamed up

Exactly. We should be all over the foreign markets. Try and pick up some decent players from the the German, French, Scandinavian leagues. Much more value for money overseas if we put the spade work in.

We should only be entertaining trying to pick of the best of the championship players when the transfer window is coming to a close. Then the liklihood is that some clubs in the championship will be desperate to bring in some money for FFP and covid losses, and we could end up with a real bargain or two. At the moment, leave the inflated high priced championship players we'll alone for daft clubs like Villa.

 

[SufcBilly]

Exactly. We should be all over the foreign markets. Try and pick up some decent players from the the German, French, Scandinavian leagues. Much more value for money overseas if we put the spade work in.

We should only be entertaining trying to pick of the best of the championship players when the transfer window is coming to a close. Then the liklihood is that some clubs in the championship will be desperate to bring in some money for FFP and covid losses, and we could end up with a real bargain or two. At the moment, leave the inflated high priced championship players we'll alone for daft clubs like Villa.

We do scout the second divisions of those countries a lot, especially Germany but the top end players still come at a premium

 

[gaffablade]

We do scout the second divisions of those countries a lot, especially Germany but the top end players still come at a premium

Do we??

 

[SufcBilly]

Do we??

From what I’ve heard before we do

 

[Upton_Blade]

And Watkins...scores goals in a creative Brentford side. Looks ok. Nothing more. And isn’t even so quick hed cause a problem to the better standard of defender in the premier league. Stay well clear at £10m never mind whatever fee Brentford have dreamed up

£10m seriously???

For a few seasons now the going rate for a top end Championship striker bagging 20 plus goals the season before has been between £15m and £20m dependant on age. Watkins easily fits into this bracket and you could argue his volume of goals means he's at the top end of that bracket like Maupey and McBurnie last summer.

We could argue all day about what players should realistically go for but that's pointless as players valuations are determined by similar transfers that have already happened.

On that basis you couldn't really fault Brentford for wanting £20m for him but they're taking the piss at £28m.

If Villa pay them that and then pay him £70k a week then more fool them.

 

[Flatulent_Bob]

Reported over £20m now for Watkins. For that I'd rather nab wilson, or his strike partner King.

Potentially interesting that there’s very little noise around King. We were linked, somewhere in the dark distant past, as having an interest but he’s the less flash, obvious option between him and King. Hope we are in for him.

 

[FTPE]

Potentially interesting that there’s very little noise around King. We were linked, somewhere in the dark distant past, as having an interest but he’s the less flash, obvious option between him and King. Hope we are in for him.

I cant word this without sounding like a miserable, negative old twat but the players we are in for usually go public as it takes us 3 or 4 bids to get it over the line.

Its strange because our main buyer (don't remember his name) did an interview after we signed Berge saying that we managed to get him because we caught everyone else off guard.

I'm all for testing the waters and 'value for moneh' will be wrote on Wilders statue but transparency (thats the most positive way I can describe it) seems to be putting us on the back foot.

Back to king, he's the same age as Wilson, same height, from the same team and last year one scored 7 the other scored 6.

 

[JayGreen17]

What happened to the 18m release clause?

 

[Champagneblade]

None of them.

Just go raid the German, Italian and French leagues for that money.
Better players and at a higher level.

Wilson has too many serious injury problems that are due to come back to haunt him anytime soon.
King I’ve never been that impressed with.
And Watkins...scores goals in a creative Brentford side. Looks ok. Nothing more. And isn’t even so quick hed cause a problem to the better standard of defender in the premier league. Stay well clear at £10m never mind whatever fee Brentford have dreamed up

You never know if they can make the step up but Watkins was just voted Best Player in the Championship. Not bad for ok

 

[Harrisblade]

What happened to the 18m release clause?

Seems it wasn't true.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

Potentially interesting that there’s very little noise around King. We were linked, somewhere in the dark distant past, as having an interest but he’s the less flash, obvious option between him and King. Hope we are in for him.

By a guy called WUM

 

[Flatulent_Bob]

I cant word this without sounding like a miserable, negative old twat but the players we are in for usually go public as it takes us 3 or 4 bids to get it over the line.

Its strange because our main buyer (don't remember his name) did an interview after we signed Berge saying that we managed to get him because we caught everyone else off guard.

I'm all for testing the waters and 'value for moneh' will be wrote on Wilders statue but transparency (thats the most positive way I can describe it) seems to be putting us on the back foot.

Back to king, he's the same age as Wilson, same height, from the same team and last year one scored 7 the other scored 6.

Bettis?
Just to be contrary Ramsdale was all done and dusted quickly and quietly. Sure Villa were thrown in there but that was after the deal was done and was never going to sink it.
As you suggested Berge was the same.
I can’t remember what happened with McBurnie but it would start a thought that those we really target rarely get leaked, either that or we just sign folk no one else really want and the press aren’t bothered.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

Villa best hurry up, he goes up £2m every other day.

Apparently NO BIDS

 

[Flatulent_Bob]

By a guy called WUM

Ah. Very good, move on, nothing to see here.
(I’d still like him to help Dids).

 

[Bruce Wayne]

Ah. Very good, move on, nothing to see here.
(I’d still like him to help Dids).

Would be superb but his wages are going to be big. I don't think we mind paying big fees so long as the wages are within our structure which I reckon has a ceiling of about £30k ish

 

[adebo]

I cant word this without sounding like a miserable, negative old twat but the players we are in for usually go public as it takes us 3 or 4 bids to get it over the line.

Its strange because our main buyer (don't remember his name) did an interview after we signed Berge saying that we managed to get him because we caught everyone else off guard.

I'm all for testing the waters and 'value for moneh' will be wrote on Wilders statue but transparency (thats the most positive way I can describe it) seems to be putting us on the back foot.

Back to king, he's the same age as Wilson, same height, from the same team and last year one scored 7 the other scored 6.

So Wilson and King did no better in front of goal last season than Moose or Mcburnie, maybe there is a need for creativity as much as a finisher

 

[Bruce Wayne]

So Wilson and King did no better in front of goal last season than Moose or Mcburnie, maybe there is a need for creativity as much as a finisher

Both injured for most of it

 

[Flatulent_Bob]

Would be superb but his wages are going to be big. I don't think we mind paying big fees so long as the wages are within our structure which I reckon has a ceiling of about £30k ish

I think we’re a bit over that now with the new deals for Egan and I’m assuming JoC is either on or about to be on the table, but agree with the sentiment that he’d have to take a significant cut to sign for us.

 

[FTPE]

Bettis?
Just to be contrary Ramsdale was all done and dusted quickly and quietly. Sure Villa were thrown in there but that was after the deal was done and was never going to sink it.
As you suggested Berge was the same.
I can’t remember what happened with McBurnie but it would start a thought that those we really target rarely get leaked, either that or we just sign folk no one else really want and the press aren’t bothered.

Both those targets you can see in a hugely positive light or a really negative one.
Maybe the Turkish keeper was a smoke screen for us to nip in and get Rambo, or maybe he was our Plan B.
Lets not forget, Maupay seemed nailed on before the McBurnie transfer happened.
I'm not questioning our desire, McBurnie and Ramsdale certainly weren't the cheap options, I just can't work out if both were extremely well covered up or alternatives.

 

[Flatulent_Bob]

Both those targets you can see in a hugely positive light or a really negative one.
Maybe the Turkish keeper was a smoke screen for us to nip in and get Rambo, or maybe he was our Plan B.
Lets not forget, Maupay seemed nailed on before the McBurnie transfer happened.
I'm not questioning our desire, McBurnie and Ramsdale certainly weren't the cheap options, I just can't work out if both were extremely well covered up or alternatives.

If they’re successful with us, does it matter so long as we keep getting it right?

 

[FTPE]

So Wilson and King did no better in front of goal last season than Moose or Mcburnie, maybe there is a need for creativity as much as a finisher

1 billion percent.
That doesn't mean we need a De Bruyne though, Wilder targeting Cash and Robinson shows we are sticking to creating down the wings predominantly, but i know what you're getting at. A Freeman type is also hugely needed in my opinion.

 

[FTPE]

If they’re successful with us, does it matter so long as we keep getting it right?

Absolutely not.
I just feel for Wilder sometimes. We all know he spends the money like its his own but the negotiations are mainly down to other people.
I understand that no manager gets 100% of his targets and I'm aware a club in our position needs to cast their net a bit further than most, but I always wonder... who has Wilder always wanted to sign? Who has narrowly slipped through the net, and how much stronger could we be if he got even 'most' of his top targets?

 

[Flatulent_Bob]

Absolutely not.
I just feel for Wilder sometimes. We all know he spends the money like its his own but the negotiations are mainly down to other people.
I understand that no manager gets 100% of his targets and I'm aware a club in our position needs to cast their net a bit further than most, but I always wonder... who has Wilder always wanted to sign? Who has narrowly slipped through the net, and how much stronger could we be if he got even 'most' of his top targets?

Who knows, but I think within the next 3-4 seasons we’ll be able to compete with the bottom half teams and if BushBlade is on the money with the Leicester model, I think even higher if we’re selling a £60M player each season.