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Not sure DC ? .. Silent Blade is probably the best font of knowledge on this ?Wasn't there a black player in our reserves early 70s who represented England earlier, at a far younger level?
Trenton Wiggan played for England schoolboys as a kid before signing with us. Ian Benjamin also played for England at a young level but not sure what age group exactly. That was late 70s though so maybe there was a player early 70s that I can’t think of in the reserve but I’m sure silent will know.Wasn't there a black player in our reserves early 70s who represented England earlier, at a far younger level?
Wasn't there a black player in our reserves early 70s who represented England earlier, at a far younger level?
There were two black players playing for our reserves in the 1970s. George Oghani and Ian Benjamin. George left us around 1977 without playing in a first team match, he played for Bolton and Burnley in the 1980s. Ian played 5 first team matches for us scoring 3 goals (2 penalties in his debut) before moving to WBA for a big fee. He wasnt a success at WBA and then played at Peterborough, Northampton, Southend and many other clubs. Dont know if they played for England Youth?Not sure DC ? .. Silent Blade is probably the best font of knowledge on this ?
I had a mate some years back who used to do the Whitbread Walk in town on a Friday night as he called it. I did it a couple of times with him and boy could he drink so my memories of those nights are very hazy. Not sure if the Nelson (not The Lord Nelson) down the Moor was a Whitbreads house but he liked the music so we'd always have a couple in there and because we weren't dressed like bikers we usually ended up rowing. Think we'd go in The Barleycorn and a few more that I wobbled through but I do remember we always ended up in The Albert. That last picture is really sad, survived so much but urban development meant the death of it.
Used to love the old pubs, different world back then.
The Cannon ?Back in my early drinking days I was getting into real ale and although Whitbreads wasn't always classified as real ale in South Yorkshire I did enjoy their Whitbread Trophy.
I'm trying to think of Whitbread pubs in town. Royal Oak bottom of Cemetry Road, Foresters on Division Street, Brunswick on Haymarket, Minerva (is that seen as Arundel Gate or Charles Street), Albert, Nelson and Barleycorn as you say,
I remember spending a very enjoyable (!) weekend in Wilmslow in about 1976 and drinking quite a lot of Boddingtons, the Cream of Manchester, A superb beer. Unfortunately Whitbread got hold of it and ruined it.
Those pubs around the City Hall including the Albert and Wapentake were always busy with 'bikers' or 'Hairies' to use another term. Not sure if it was linked to heavy metal concerts at the City Hall. The Sportsman on Cambridge Street strangely, if my memory serves me right had a mix of clientele.
Like yourself I used to love the old pubs. And the lne 'Like a Night Out in Sheffield' had to come from somewhere.
Benjamin's debut was actually as sub in the 4-0 defeat at Cardiff on 21/4/79. His first start was v Leicester at home on 8/5/79 when we needed to win to maintain a faint chance of staying up. As you say, he scored 2 pens as we drew 2-2 and went down.There were two black players playing for our reserves in the 1970s. George Oghani and Ian Benjamin. George left us around 1977 without playing in a first team match, he played for Bolton and Burnley in the 1980s. Ian played 5 first team matches for us scoring 3 goals (2 penalties in his debut) before moving to WBA for a big fee. He wasnt a success at WBA and then played at Peterborough, Northampton, Southend and many other clubs. Dont know if they played for England Youth?
On that, we had beaten Charlton 2-1 at the Lane on 28/4/79, in a crucial relegation death match, leaving us level on points. We, however, had 3 games left and Charlton 1. Our 3 games were at home to already relegated Blackburn and away to Cambridge and home to Leicester, both of the latter two lower mid table with nothing to play for.Benjamin's debut was actually as sub in the 4-0 defeat at Cardiff on 21/4/79. His first start was v Leicester at home on 8/5/79 when we needed to win to maintain a faint chance of staying up. As you say, he scored 2 pens as we drew 2-2 and went down.
(As an aside it's often said, we were already as good as relegated going into the Leicester game as we needed to win 8-0 to overtake Charlton on GD. That's not quite true. Any sort of win would have done had Oldham lost their remaining two games, to be played after the Leicester game - which, of course, they didnt).
Blackburn were down to 10 men in the 1st half but we didnt take advantage!On that, we had beaten Charlton 2-1 at the Lane on 28/4/79, in a crucial relegation death match, leaving us level on points. We, however, had 3 games left and Charlton 1. Our 3 games were at home to already relegated Blackburn and away to Cambridge and home to Leicester, both of the latter two lower mid table with nothing to play for.
So even if Charlton won their last game, we just needed a win and a draw (or 3 draws) from those games. Post the Charlton game, their manager had more or less given up, saying it would take a miracle to keep them up.
True to form, United manage to fuck it up. Losing 1-0 to both Blackburn and Cambridge and that Leicester draw, as Charlton won their game...
I went to the game aged 12. I remember Blackburns goal came Tony Kenworthy overhit a back pass under no pressure and they scored from the resulting corner ;-(Blackburn were down to 10 men in the 1st half but we didnt take advantage!
The Cannon ?
Cannon was Stones as was the Hen & Chickens and further along on Bank Street was the Three Cranes.
(I wished they did this subject for O Level)
Golden Ball was Stones and in between the Three Cranes and the Golden Ball was the Wig and Pen - good pint of Wards.And Moseley around the corner. Golden Ball Stones? Worst pint in town.
“Little” Three Tuns, Tetleys
Cannon was Stones as was the Hen & Chickens and further along on Bank Street was the Three Cranes.
(I wished they did this subject for O Level)
Stones could be a bit 'chemically' but one of the best pints I have ever had was the Norfolk Arms bottom of Dixon Lane - I'm sure it was hand pulled Stones.The Cannon could be a dodgy place. I used to get off the bus in Bridge Street and go downstairs in The Cannon to start off. Always stood as close to the stairs as possible as you could be forced to make a quick exit if the evil stares when you walked in turned to anything more sinister. Luckily I knew a couple of the chaps in there so that helped. Hen & Chickens was a decent pint but the ale in The Three Cranes was the worst I've ever tasted. Consistently bad as well, I think that's what set me off on the rum and black journey that helped me through my youth and all because I couldn't stomach their beer
Edit: Just saw Sean Thorntons post and I agree the ale in the Golden Ball was naff. I wasn't a fan of Stones in general to be honest, always though it tasted like drain cleaner, bar from The Hen & Chickens surprisingly.
At one point the Stones in the Golden Ball was in huge tanks. Definitely not nice cask-conditioned Stones.The Cannon could be a dodgy place. I used to get off the bus in Bridge Street and go downstairs in The Cannon to start off. Always stood as close to the stairs as possible as you could be forced to make a quick exit if the evil stares when you walked in turned to anything more sinister. Luckily I knew a couple of the chaps in there so that helped. Hen & Chickens was a decent pint but the ale in The Three Cranes was the worst I've ever tasted. Consistently bad as well, I think that's what set me off on the rum and black journey that helped me through my youth and all because I couldn't stomach their beer
Edit: Just saw Sean Thorntons post and I agree the ale in the Golden Ball was naff. I wasn't a fan of Stones in general to be honest, always though it tasted like drain cleaner, bar from The Hen & Chickens surprisingly.
Golden Ball was Stones and in between the Three Cranes and the Golden Ball was the Wig and Pen - good pint of Wards.
At some stage in the 1970's the Golden Ball used to have a disco on Sunday nights - just helped prolong the weekend.
Stones could be a bit 'chemically' but one of the best pints I have ever had was the Norfolk Arms bottom of Dixon Lane - I'm sure it was hand pulled Stones.
I'm feeling a bit tipsy.
The Museum (the original, not the Orchard Square rebuild) was a Whitbread house and our go to town pub.Back in my early drinking days I was getting into real ale and although Whitbreads wasn't always classified as real ale in South Yorkshire I did enjoy their Whitbread Trophy.
I'm trying to think of Whitbread pubs in town. Royal Oak bottom of Cemetry Road, Foresters on Division Street, Brunswick on Haymarket, Minerva (is that seen as Arundel Gate or Charles Street), Albert, Nelson and Barleycorn as you say,
I remember spending a very enjoyable (!) weekend in Wilmslow in about 1976 and drinking quite a lot of Boddingtons, the Cream of Manchester, A superb beer. Unfortunately Whitbread got hold of it and ruined it.
Those pubs around the City Hall including the Albert and Wapentake were always busy with 'bikers' or 'Hairies' to use another term. Not sure if it was linked to heavy metal concerts at the City Hall. The Sportsman on Cambridge Street strangely, if my memory serves me right had a mix of clientele.
Like yourself I used to love the old pubs. And the lne 'Like a Night Out in Sheffield' had to come from somewhere.
The little Three Tuns became a bit of a regular spot for me - along with half the staff of Midland Bank.And Moseley around the corner. Golden Ball Stones? Worst pint in town.
“Little” Three Tuns, Tetleys
"Prince of Wales". Westfield Terrace, Division St corner, was a Whitbread's. morphed into the Frog & Parrot.Back in my early drinking days I was getting into real ale and although Whitbreads wasn't always classified as real ale in South Yorkshire I did enjoy their Whitbread Trophy.
I'm trying to think of Whitbread pubs in town. Royal Oak bottom of Cemetry Road, Foresters on Division Street, Brunswick on Haymarket, Minerva (is that seen as Arundel Gate or Charles Street), Albert, Nelson and Barleycorn as you say,
I remember spending a very enjoyable (!) weekend in Wilmslow in about 1976 and drinking quite a lot of Boddingtons, the Cream of Manchester, A superb beer. Unfortunately Whitbread got hold of it and ruined it.
Those pubs around the City Hall including the Albert and Wapentake were always busy with 'bikers' or 'Hairies' to use another term. Not sure if it was linked to heavy metal concerts at the City Hall. The Sportsman on Cambridge Street strangely, if my memory serves me right had a mix of clientele.
Like yourself I used to love the old pubs. And the lne 'Like a Night Out in Sheffield' had to come from somewhere.
And lots of knocked off gear in the Cannon and the Chicks.Cannon was Stones as was the Hen & Chickens and further along on Bank Street was the Three Cranes.
(I wished they did this subject for O Level)
Wasn't The Foresters on Division St. a Whitbread pub?"Prince of Wales". Westfield Terrace, Division St corner, was a Whitbread's. morphed into the Frog & Parrot.
A mate of mine who worked at the Education Offies across the road, was in the Museum every lunch time. In fact he was in that often he was nicknamed the curator.The Museum (the original, not the Orchard Square rebuild) was a Whitbread house and our go to town pub.
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