Ok, I'll be the one to say what the majority think, WILDER OUT !

[coolhandluke]

'Crass' attempt at a wind-up mate

It's not a wind up . I never wanted Wilder in the first place . All I'm doing now is sticking my head above the parapet and making the call that the majority on here agree with but , for some strange reason, are unwilling to publicly concede .

 

[Bill puntin]

Unfortunately Chris wilders outburst at the end of the season was all about his salary and nowt to do with budgets, now he's got his contract he will tow the clubs line like all previous managers have done.

 

[super_pig]

Perhaps now we can all see where the Oxford fans animosity towards CW emanates from . A great start to his tenure is quickly followed by a season that was ok but could and should have been much better .

But it's as his tenure becomes longer that the real problems begin . CW was slaughtered for trying the same tactics and same line ups despite the fact that everyone could see it wasn't working . Many accused him of being stubborn to the point of it damaging the club because of his deep seated managerial philosophy, it's his way or no way regardless of the fact it's clearly not working .

Thanks for the memories Chris but it's time to step aside . Don't kill the Club you claim to love .

premature ejaculation .. seek counselling

 

[coolhandluke]

Unfortunately Chris wilders outburst at the end of the season was all about his salary and nowt to do with budgets, now he's got his contract he will tow the clubs line like all previous managers have done.

Partly agree there mate . But CW isn't towing the club line right now, he's towing the Chris Wilder line and has been since December 2017 .

 

[coolhandluke]

premature ejaculation .. seek counselling

 

[Damski]

I sincerely hope we do smash QPR next Saturday . I also hope we smash the smogmonsters on Tuesday night too . What's more I hope we go on a run now that puts us at the business end of the League all season leading to a playoff place or better . I can't see any of that though, can you ? Honestly ?

Sit down. It's one game.

 

[super_pig]

I sincerely hope we do smash QPR next Saturday . I also hope we smash the smogmonsters on Tuesday night too . What's more I hope we go on a run now that puts us at the business end of the League all season leading to a playoff place or better . I can't see any of that though, can you ? Honestly ?

bit of perspective
back in the day we smashed carlisle 4-0 at their place on the first day and got relegated FWIR
however i am worried about the insistence on picking Stevens Lundstram and Evans when they aren’t up to the job .. even more worrying is Duffy and Bill on the bench
so i’ll give you that
so concerned yeah .. rolling heads no

 

[South Bucks]

Don't agree with CW and Knill out but they were both defenders and in the last 6 months our defensive bias and ineffective play up front have really shown to the extent I think they should get more daily input from a respected forward. There's clearly a gap.

Always interesting the hear uncle Keith Ed doing his nut on the radio with our players doing the wrong things going forward and he should know.

When we do have money we just blow it on more defenders and midfielders with no attacking intent and then try to pick up forwards on loan or cheapos at the end of their careers.

When we bought Egan I thought oh no this is just like Brayford, all spunked on defenders while up front is neglected again.

The balance is all wrong and no amount of money from the board is going to fix this while ever our priorities are all about defence and defensive midfielders which doesn't win games.

 

[Hodgesleftpeg]

you really should ask for mccabe and prince out not wilder, if they gave him money to spend, he wouldn't be signing the shite from lower leagues we have

He doesn’t HAVE to sign that shite does he? No-one forced him to sign these players. He’s only himself to blame for signing too many players who don’t appear good enough.

 

[ShockingBadBuy]

It's not a wind up . I never wanted Wilder in the first place . All I'm doing now is sticking my head above the parapet and making the call that the majority on here agree with but , for some strange reason, are unwilling to publicly concede .

I understand your concerns. I think they are shared by many on here. But your claim that the honest "call" of the "majority" would be to sack Wilder is, I'm afraid, bollocks.

 

[Sean Thornton]

Don't agree with CW and Knill out but they were both defenders and in the last 6 months our defensive bias and ineffective play up front have really shown to the extent I think they should get more daily input from a respected forward. There's clearly a gap.

Always interesting the hear uncle Keith Ed doing his nut on the radio with our players doing the wrong things going forward and he should know.

When we do have money we just blow it on more defenders and midfielders with no attacking intent and then try to pick up forwards on loan or cheapos at the end of their careers.

When we bought Egan I thought oh no this is just like Brayford, all spunked on defenders while up front is neglected again.

The balance is all wrong and no amount of money from the board is going to fix this while ever our priorities are all about defence and defensive midfielders which doesn't win games.

Wasn't the main argument about Brayford that we should have spent the money on a err, central defender?

 

[itsinyerblood]

Ah, I see your assertion more clearly now . We haven't struggled really badly for the last 6 months now, desperate for a change in formation or line up . No one's seriously questioned Wilders insistence on continually playing those who clearly aren't up to the standard needed at this level . And no one has called yesterday's ' performance ' a boring rehash of the last 6 months either . It's me and me only and my ' strange and negative obsession ' .

I expected a little bit better that that from you IYB .

Not unexpectedly, you're completely missing the point, in fact someone far more cynical might suggest you're clueless.

You choose to ignore the progress we've made (after six depressing seasons in Div1). Your choice Luke, but perhaps you specialise in bad decision making?

Yesterday's result appears to have acted like someone's removed the cork from the bottle and you've been allowed to gush the type of vitriol you must spend hours studying. As for those players you refer to as 'clearly aren't up to the standard needed', not one mention of the limited budgets that Wilder has desperately needed, therefore your understanding of what Wilder has to work with must be questioned. Would I have loved us to achieve promotion last season? You betcha. But the fact that we finished where we did wasn't that much of a surprise given the squad we had. We under-invest, until that's faced and changed we'll probably remain a mid table Championship side.

Unlike your disappointment with myself, I have no other expectation from yourself. It's predictable, obsessive, repetitive, and offers nothing constructive.

 

[coolhandluke]

Not unexpectedly, you're completely missing the point, in fact someone far more cynical might suggest you're clueless.

You choose to ignore the progress we've made (after six depressing seasons in Div1). Your choice Luke, but perhaps you specialise in bad decision making?

Yesterday's result appears to have acted like someone's removed the cork from the bottle and you've been allowed to gush the type of vitriol you must spend hours studying. As for those players you refer to as 'clearly aren't up to the standard needed', not one mention of the limited budgets that Wilder has desperately needed, therefore your understanding of what Wilder has to work with must be questioned. Would I have loved us to achieve promotion last season? You betcha. But the fact that we finished where we did wasn't that much of a surprise given the squad we had. We under-invest, until that's faced and changed we'll probably remain a mid table Championship side.

Unlike your disappointment with myself, I have no other expectation from yourself. It's predictable, obsessive, repetitive, and offers nothing constructive.

I'll refer you to post #1 I made on here . Quite what you make of that is entirely up to you .

 

[Davalon]

Wind ups aren't what they used to be.

That said, Potter certainly outmanaged Wilder second half.

 

[coolhandluke]

Wind ups aren't what they used to be.

That said, Potter certainly outmanaged Wilder second half.

It's not actually all that difficult to do when you know that virtually any advantageous tactical change you'll make will not be countered by the other manager .

It's even easier when you know your managerial adversary sets it all up wrong to start with either .

 

[Speedracer]

Too many knee jerk reactions after just one game, & that against what was a Premier League club last season. Our disappointment is a reflection of just how far we have come in the last 2 seasons imo, we were happy to admit we were beaten fair & square by better teams in Wolves & Fulham last season but it wouldn't surprise me if Swansea are right up there challenging for the title all the way.
We have made great progress, I see our recent signings as consolidation rather than "The next big leap forward", & there will be blips along the way, but I would sure as hell be rather watching us now as opposed to the poor League One days.

 

[itsinyerblood]

Partly agree there mate . But CW isn't towing the club line right now, he's towing the Chris Wilder line and has been since December 2017 .

You really do have an anti-Wilder obsession, don't you?

Don't know why you're surprised that so few happen to share your dislike, let alone your craving to see Wilder part company with this club.

When I read that you feel that Wilder isn't towing the club line, it makes me think you imagine there is a club line to follow? For far too long this club has lacked someone with the type of leadership to take us forward. Wilder had a vision, he implemented this throughout the club, he strengthened us and given us a base from which to progress, the result has seen us achieve promotion and then consolidate our place in the Championship. Yet you see nothing but negatives and imagine that you have the insight to think that you know more than our management team. Mate, that's not only arrogance, it's delusion on a wendy scale!

 

[coolhandluke]

You really do have an anti-Wilder obsession, don't you?

Don't know why you're surprised that so few happen to share your dislike, let alone your craving to see Wilder part company with this club.

When I read that you feel that Wilder isn't towing the club line, it makes me think you imagine there is a club line to follow? For far too long this club has lacked someone with the type of leadership to take us forward. Wilder had a vision, he implemented this throughout the club, he strengthened us and given us a base from which to progress, the result has seen us achieve promotion and then consolidate our place in the Championship. Yet you see nothing but negatives and imagine that you have the insight to think that you know more than our management team. Mate, that's not only arrogance, it's delusion on a wendy scale!

Post # 1 tells you my thoughts upon the matter at hand . Whilst post # 51 tells you what I hope to see . Quite what you make of either post is entirely up to you .

 

[Yellarbellyblade]

It's not a wind up . I never wanted Wilder in the first place . All I'm doing now is sticking my head above the parapet and making the call that the majority on here agree with but , for some strange reason, are unwilling to publicly concede .

All about opinions mate. I don’t happen to agree but out of interest who would you want in his place?

 

[itsinyerblood]

Post # 1 tells you my thoughts upon the matter at hand . Whilst post # 51 tells you what I hope to see . Quite what you make of either post is entirely up to you .

You've already said this, so not sure why you feel the need to repeat again? But in your post #51 you also pull apart those false hopes, so why bother? You're more than a nihilist Luke, you seem to get a buzz from being anything other than someone who can't see the woods for the trees.

 

[JayGreen17]

Post #51 should tell you exactly what I hope will happen this season .

6 months of inconsistency ? You mean relegation form ??

Who do I think could do a better job with the same money ? This season ?? Virtually any one of the managers with more championship experience than CW who isn't afraid to make changes when the players/formation used simply don't work . Take your pick, there's plenty of them out there .

Its not me that’s wanting a change, Go on name some names that would outperform Wilder this season with the budget we’ve got?...

Who?

 

[coolhandluke]

You've already said this, so not sure why you feel the need to repeat again? But in your post #51 you also pull apart those false hopes, so why bother? You're more than a nihilist Luke, you seem to get a buzz from being anything other than someone who can't see the woods for the trees.

 

[coolhandluke]

Its not me that’s wanting a change, Go on name some names that would outperform Wilder this season with the budget we’ve got?...

Who?

I'll refer you to.post #53 that you made .

 

[itsinyerblood]

When you're left with no other path than to seek out film clips, well you've reached a point where you've exhausted your opinions and chosen to return to the infantile expressions that you should have left behind you a long time ago. I guess if it's all you have then knock yourself out.

PS. Not too impressed with emoticons, but in place of a choice selection of words I suppose it makes you feel warm inside.

 

[coolhandluke]

When you're left with no other path than to seek out film clips, well you've reached a point where you've exhausted your opinions and chosen to return to the infantile expressions that you should have left behind you a long time ago. I guess if it's all you have then knock yourself out.

PS. Not too impressed with emoticons, but in place of a choice selection of words I suppose it makes you feel warm inside.

You're taking this very personally IYB and if I've offended you in any way on a personal level then I apologise unreservedly . If I'm honest though mate I'm really struggling to see where I've offended you ?? Care to elaborate ?

 

[itsinyerblood]

You're taking this very personally IYB and if I've offended you in any way on a personal level then I apologise unreservedly . If I'm honest though mate I'm really struggling to see where I've offended you ?? Care to elaborate ?

Personal Luke? You've no idea pal. Chasing someone via litigation for seven years is personal, this is just a brief exchange over a Sunday afternoon, so please don't confuse what's being exchanged with anything else. There's nothing to elaborate on, unless of course you struggle to offer a decent intellectual position, which so far seems to be the case. Wanting Wilder out, based on a limited set of information, helps no one. What you've presented just isn't a sufficient reason to consider a change in management. We all get things wrong, which includes Alex Ferguson, Bill Shankly, and certainly Wenger, but ignoring what's happened over the last two seasons, the fact that we acquitted ourselves in the Championship, and that the whole club is on a very steep learning curve, well unlike yourself I won't revert to knee-jerk proclamations simply because we lost a game badly.

I hated how we lost yesterday, but if you can't handle defeat then you're not going to deal with success. At the moment you seem ill-equipped to understand the why's and wherefore's of what it takes to move a club like United forward, especially after the depressing downward curve we'd experienced for more than six seasons. Once you add context to your outbursts we might see a different, and more positive, appraisal to how we move forward.

 

[Topplayersleave]

How does it go

Oh yes........PIG

 

[Darthblade]

Plenty of insults I see but no one attempting to challenge what's clearly happening right now and our only way out of this malaise .

Even more bizarre is the way a lot of what's been posted on here following last night's latest abomination, an abomination thats testament to Wilders inability/unwillingness to change, is conveniently forgotten by the posters who made them in the first place .

Grow a backbone ladies and gents, our Club need us .

The only reason why our season petered out and ended up disappointing last year was the lack of investment in the first team squad …….. not Wilder !!

UTB & FTP

 

[ReeceofBDTBL]

Sorry mate but that’s a bizarre thing to say. On principle any manager who tries to build a genuine footballing side should be given more time than others, add that to the fact he’s still outperformed his budget in his two seasons so far then it’s utterly insane to talk about Wilders position at the club.

 

[Blade82]

Just because you disagree with his tactics or selection it doesn't mean you want the man sacked.