Officials/Media Its Time

[originaltrueblade]

It’s time for referees and the other match day officials to face the media right after the game if they have made contentious decisions to explain in full
This may improve their decisions on the pitch or at least make them realise at last that they are

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[Stu_Blade]

I am flipping this comment on purpose. Do we also have the players who miss chances or foul have to explain to the media why they didn't score or make that pass/decision they did. Although I am not saying the referee on Tuesday was perfect we need to have our own house in order before we go dishing out and blaming 3rd parties. Control the controlables and that game should have been won. I agree in some ways decision could be explained why the referee gave it. If it turns into a witch hunt we will end up losing more match officials which will end up with a huge gap. I am also curious have you refereed a game yourself at any level and how did you find it?

 

[Swinton Blade]

It’s time for referees and the other match day officials to face the media right after the game if they have made contentious decisions to explain in full
This may improve their decisions on the pitch or at least make them realise at last that they are

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No good can come from a referee talking to the media after a game.

 

[GreasyChipBeattie]

I am flipping this comment on purpose. Do we also have the players who miss chances or foul have to explain to the media why they didn't score or make that pass/decision they did. Although I am not saying the referee on Tuesday was perfect we need to have our own house in order before we go dishing out and blaming 3rd parties. Control the controlables and that game should have been won. I agree in some ways decision could be explained why the referee gave it. If it turns into a witch hunt we will end up losing more match officials which will end up with a huge gap. I am also curious have you refereed a game yourself at any level and how did you find it?

I think a key difference between under-performing players and under-performing refs is that players, eg 23 mill Brewster, find themselves no where near the pitch during first team matches if they don't do their job well enough. Unfortunately the same can't be said for under performing refs.

 

[Bladesman]

No good can come from a referee talking to the media after a game.

True but making them accountable for their poor decisions would help.

 

[Stu_Blade]

I think a key difference between under-performing players and under-performing refs is that players, eg 23 mill Brewster, find themselves no where near the pitch during first team matches if they don't do their job well enough. Unfortunately the same can't be said for under performing refs.

Hitting straight back at you with https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/...er-league-fixtures-after-var-errors-0qqwllcsn This was earlier this year Lee Mason was dropped further down the pyramid due to errors deemed to have been made. You are ultimately also asking a 49 year old to be on the same fitness levels or 18-35 year olds too. I have said it in a previous post it's not the referees but the tools they need to change, 2 referees on the pitch etc could be an option.

 

[Whiston Blade]

I have said it in a previous post it's not the referees but the tools they need to change, 2 referees on the pitch etc could be an option.

I've had the same opinion for a while now, one in each half would be beneficial, imo. In American Football they have 7 on field officials. I'm not saying we need 7 officials but you'll see much more and have multiple views on the same incident with more eyes. This gives them a whole round view of the play and any incidents rather than the referee and one of the two linesmen (I don't think I've ever seen a referee talk to both linesmen about an incident but that's understandable given how far away one of them would be).

 

[Trigger Blade]

Hitting straight back at you with https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/...er-league-fixtures-after-var-errors-0qqwllcsn This was earlier this year Lee Mason was dropped further down the pyramid due to errors deemed to have been made. You are ultimately also asking a 49 year old to be on the same fitness levels or 18-35 year olds too. I have said it in a previous post it's not the referees but the tools they need to change, 2 referees on the pitch etc could be an option.

Lee Mason update: he’s retired from refereeing this season, he turns 50 this month and is now a full time VAR man, which seems a bit strange given the above. I haven’t heard of anything contentious that he’s been involved with, but I’m not so interested in the Premier League these days…..

 

[Stu_Blade]

I've had the same opinion for a while now, one in each half would be beneficial, imo. In American Football they have 7 on field officials. I'm not saying we need 7 officials but you'll see much more and have multiple views on the same incident with more eyes. This gives them a whole round view of the play and any incidents rather than the referee and one of the two linesmen (I don't think I've ever seen a referee talk to both linesmen about an incident but that's understandable given how far away one of them would be).

Totally agreed. I saw the concept of 2 on field referees in Australian Rugby League and they use it for play coming to them and one dealing with back play. Then someone reminded me that field hockey have 2 one pitch referees one for each half and I personally think that would be the best way forwards

 

[Stu_Blade]

Lee Mason update: he’s retired from refereeing this season, he turns 50 this month and is now a full time VAR man, which seems a bit strange given the above. I haven’t heard of anything contentious that he’s been involved with, but I’m not so interested in the Premier League these days…..

That was from February this year

 

[CopenhagenBlade]

It’s easy to blame the referee and in some cases it is justifiable but they are not helped by all the diving and shithousery that is now a common and accepted part of the game.
Having reffed a few games it is incredibly difficult, requiring 100% concentration all of the game. Players run in front of you blocking your view for a split second, which could be vital. Only seeing an incident from one angle, which could be the wrong angle. It’s easy to blame them but they can only whistle for what they see

 

[BornOnShorehamStreet]

Hitting straight back at you with https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/...er-league-fixtures-after-var-errors-0qqwllcsn This was earlier this year Lee Mason was dropped further down the pyramid due to errors deemed to have been made. You are ultimately also asking a 49 year old to be on the same fitness levels or 18-35 year olds too. I have said it in a previous post it's not the referees but the tools they need to change, 2 referees on the pitch etc could be an option.

I've had the same opinion for a while now, one in each half would be beneficial, imo. In American Football they have 7 on field officials. I'm not saying we need 7 officials but you'll see much more and have multiple views on the same incident with more eyes. This gives them a whole round view of the play and any incidents rather than the referee and one of the two linesmen (I don't think I've ever seen a referee talk to both linesmen about an incident but that's understandable given how far away one of them would be).

I'd also like to see a former player involved at VAR. Someone who knows, for example, what a dive or proper offside is!

 

[BornOnShorehamStreet]

It’s easy to blame the referee and in some cases it is justifiable but they are not helped by all the diving and shithousery that is now a common and accepted part of the game.
Having reffed a few games it is incredibly difficult, requiring 100% concentration all of the game. Players run in front of you blocking your view for a split second, which could be vital. Only seeing an incident from one angle, which could be the wrong angle. It’s easy to blame them but they can only whistle for what they see

I've always thought they could soon stamp it out if they awarded bookings retrospectively, especially if they have former players involved at VAR

 

[bongleblade]

Hitting straight back at you with https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/...er-league-fixtures-after-var-errors-0qqwllcsn This was earlier this year Lee Mason was dropped further down the pyramid due to errors deemed to have been made. You are ultimately also asking a 49 year old to be on the same fitness levels or 18-35 year olds too. I have said it in a previous post it's not the referees but the tools they need to change, 2 referees on the pitch etc could be an option.

hmm good point, or maybe they could come up with a system where the decisions are verified by someone else not on the pitch… maybe with cameras which are watching all areas of the pitch at all times?

sort of like a video referee? maybe we could call it Video Assistant Referee, or VAR for short?

 

[Stu_Blade]

I'd also like to see a former player involved at VAR. Someone who knows, for example, what a dive or proper offside is!

Even a trained official watching the game on say a 5 second delay/replay via camera coverage may help rather than a VAR where they analyse and analyse again the analysis of the analysis of the anatomy that could be offside. A quick word that is a penalty etc could help speed up the decision making process

 

[Trigger Blade]

That was from February this year

Yes, my point was that it seems odd to me that Mason got in a mess with VAR to the point that he was demoted as a ref and his reward is a full time VAR job.

 

[Moan? Nope-I saw Longhorn]

I'd also like to see a former player involved at VAR. Someone who knows, for example, what a dive or proper offside is!

Not sure that would work listening to so called ‘experts’ & in the media
How many times do you hear “entitled” to go down as there was (minimal) contact / he “felt a touch”; “not interfering with play“ / ‘active - not active / 2nd phase etc; got the ball” (even though the challenge was from ‘behind’)
Appears to me many pundits didn’t understand (or conform) to the rules when playing & certainly don’t now - along with most folk - including myself

 

[bakeblade]

Hitting straight back at you with https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/...er-league-fixtures-after-var-errors-0qqwllcsn This was earlier this year Lee Mason was dropped further down the pyramid due to errors deemed to have been made. You are ultimately also asking a 49 year old to be on the same fitness levels or 18-35 year olds too. I have said it in a previous post it's not the referees but the tools they need to change, 2 referees on the pitch etc could be an option.

We all tend to forget that the linesmen are fully qualified referees and are there to assist the referee in all aspects of the game, hence the job title Assistant Referee. I don't know if it's because of VAR, but their influence seems to have reduced to just offside and line calls.
Perhaps they need to get more involved again.

 

[BettingBlade]

One way to cut all the shithousery out would be to introduce an independent time keeper like in many other sports. It might actually encourage certain teams to actually try and play football for once.

Also means the referee wont have to keep pointing at his watch until the 80th minute when magically they realise they can actually book players for time wasting.

 

[Swinton Blade]

True but making them accountable for their poor decisions would help.

That needs to come from the people in charge of the referee not the media or fans.

 

[GreasyChipBeattie]

Hitting straight back at you with https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/...er-league-fixtures-after-var-errors-0qqwllcsn This was earlier this year Lee Mason was dropped further down the pyramid due to errors deemed to have been made. You are ultimately also asking a 49 year old to be on the same fitness levels or 18-35 year olds too. I have said it in a previous post it's not the referees but the tools they need to change, 2 referees on the pitch etc could be an option.

If I read the article correctly Stu, he only missed one game, and for every Lee Mason's odd game punishment, there are loads of Matt Donohues who get away with it.
Then again, for every Brewster who cops for it, I guess there's a Hourihane etc who doesn't!!

 

[stringer]

I'd also like to see a former player involved at VAR. Someone who knows, for example, what a dive or proper offside is!

What’s a proper offside? A player’s either offside or he isn’t

 

[guancheblade]

I've had the same opinion for a while now, one in each half would be beneficial, imo. In American Football they have 7 on field officials. I'm not saying we need 7 officials but you'll see much more and have multiple views on the same incident with more eyes. This gives them a whole round view of the play and any incidents rather than the referee and one of the two linesmen (I don't think I've ever seen a referee talk to both linesmen about an incident but that's understandable given how far away one of them would be).

Forget two referees the current one already gets in the way of play far too often. For me there should be four assistants. Too many throw in/corner/goal kick calls are being guessed at due to the speed of the game and the distance the officials find themselves from the play. One linesperson to cover each quadrant.

Additionally, you could then introduce a new offside rule... it's only offside if both assistants in that half flag for offside. If just one of them flags you play on. Would lead to more goals being allowed and games being allowed to flow more.

 

[stringer]

I've had the same opinion for a while now, one in each half would be beneficial, imo. In American Football they have 7 on field officials. I'm not saying we need 7 officials but you'll see much more and have multiple views on the same incident with more eyes. This gives them a whole round view of the play and any incidents rather than the referee and one of the two linesmen (I don't think I've ever seen a referee talk to both linesmen about an incident but that's understandable given how far away one of them would be).

It’s an interesting concept but wouldn’t solve everything. Think of the inconsistencies for starters. Bramall Lane goes mad when a ref gives something against United and then not for them in similar circumstances. (Rightly in some cases, such as Tuesday evening). What about when identical challenges in either half are punished differently because of different refs’ interpretation of them?

 

[Blade.com]

We all moan at refs sat in front of the TV and Row P of the kop. But what we don't get is the feel of the game same as the on pitch referee. It's different on the pitch, pace of the game, the little niggles that go off, the verbals you don't hear. You can more or less feel a foul coming and so do the players ,so when it comes they know how to make the most of it.
Not defending Refs at all but sat in front of the box with your slippers on doesn't all ways give you the full picture of what goes off on the pitch , for me that's where VAR falls short, lot better to give the on field Ref more help by asking them to view the incident on a pitch side monitor . Or as suggested more on field help.

 

[Whiston Blade]

Additionally, you could then introduce a new offside rule... it's only offside if both assistants in that half flag for offside. If just one of them flags you play on. Would lead to more goals being allowed and games being allowed to flow more.

That's a good idea actually but how many linesman would bottle it and only flag if the other guy flags or vice versa

 

[Kelso]

Get rid of the stupid rule, that when a player is offside they don’t flag till an attacking player touches the ball. What’s that all about!

 

[guancheblade]

Get rid of the stupid rule, that when a player is offside they don’t flag till an attacking player touches the ball. What’s that all about!

Because if they don't end up touching the ball you can just play on. It's to prevent needless breaks in play

 

[guancheblade]

That's a good idea actually but how many linesman would bottle it and only flag if the other guy flags or vice versa

Well if they are capable of doing that then they area already capable of bottling decisions so I don't see how we'd be worse off.

 

[Grey Blade]

Whilst players continue to cheat I find it difficult to criticise refereeing decisions. Personally I think something should be done to cut out blatant cheating - diving, feigning injury, blocking quick free kicks, wasting time at throw ins, pinching 5 or 6 yards at throw ins, kicking the ball away to waste time, -the list goes on. Apart from diving and feigning injury the others are fairly easy to spot.

There should be retrospective punishment for diving and feigning injury. Zero tolerance to the other issues would eventually mean that referees could actually concentrate on refereeing the game and not spend their time being conned by cheats.

I remember the time when players jumped up after being fouled so as not to show weakness. I'm not sure when trying to win free kicks came in but I suspect it was in the late 60s/early 70s when European knock out competitions took off and winning at all costs became all important. The cynicism spread through football like a virus thereafter and this is where we are now. Rugby refereeing could teach football a thing or too