Not Matteo or Hughton

[GRUMPY BLADE]

Keith Hill?

or the guy from Exeter, Tilswell?

 

[Railway Blade]

Im with Houso. I could have got Newcastle up with the team they still had in the championship.

 

[JJ Sefton]

I don't see the massive attraction to him personally.

He did a damn good job at Newcastle in difficult circumstances.

Apropos of nothing, Hughton always sticks in my mind from childhood due to an answer he gave in Shoot's "Focus On" column. In answer to the category "Best friend" he put "my Mother in Law". This is the only time I have ever heard anyone express this sentiment.

Apropos of even less theres an Italian restaurant near where my parents live which you see him in quite often.

 

[Houso]

Im with Houso. I could have got Newcastle up with the team they still had in the championship.

And that's my view. They had a fantastic side despite having a lot of troubles through the club.

 

[beechblade]

And that's my view. They had a fantastic side despite having a lot of troubles through the club.

Guys if it was that simple we'd all be up for every managers job.

A team full of overrated players with exceptionally bad attitudes and the majority thinking they were far bigger than that very club, Hughton stepped in to the role and seemingly put out the fires and managed to keep together a very strong side, he seemingly changed players that under preformed round, than in itself is an achievement, he kept the squad together got them promoted playing effectively and then went on to get them in a very comfortable position in the top of half of the prem, he delt with the egos of players as well as showing tactical know how, I'd also argue that he seems to have great motivational skills, getting his team to play very well and dominate against a good Sunderland side. To me he has shown both good man management skills and great ability as a tactical manager.

 

[Houso]

He was also already at the club and respected by the players and therefore it was easier than it would have been for a new man to step into the role.

Now, don't get me wrong, I think he's a good coach and may well be a good manager. But it's difficult to say how well he would do as a manager at a totally fresh club and therefore he'd be a massive risk.

 

[beechblade]

He was also already at the club and respected by the players and therefore it was easier than it would have been for a new man to step into the role.

Now, don't get me wrong, I think he's a good coach and may well be a good manager. But it's difficult to say how well he would do as a manager at a totally fresh club and therefore he'd be a massive risk.

And thats the case for every new manager, everytime they step into a new job. They are all risks.

 

[Houso]

And thats the case for every new manager, everytime they step into a new job. They are all risks.

Of course they are, but there are wildly varying levels of risk.

 

[oldblade]

Totally agree. Some people say he had a massive budget and good players. The reason Newcastle went down is because they were shit and were in freefall. Hughton completely turned them around and put confidence into them before guiding them to a 10th place in the PL and bizarrely being sacked! There was a lot of pressure to bounce straight back in style when he took over and he did it with a team full of overrated players and (at the time) bad attitudes.

There may have been a significant number of players who had 'bad attitudes' and many who were under performing, but you can't escape from the fact that that Newcastle squad was the best in the division. It did not need major rebuilding, just a change in attitude. We on the other hand..........................

 

[MunXy]

personally i think disscussions like this are pointles, first of all short of getting jesus christ, alex ferguson or "the special one" as manager there will be grumblings from the fan "cheap option, hoofball merchant, ex (insert team of choice here) player, wrong hair style" etc etc.
Cant we just agree that whoever McCabe pulls in off the street we should ALL back him completely, you know just for novilties sake, yes mic even you.
we might not like the choice made or agree with it but any schism between SUFC and its fans is only good news for other more "MASSIVE" clubs and clubs with porn jockey owners.
personally if he did a decent job id take colonel gadaffi as manager, as my first priority is that the blades do well and get out of league 1 first attempt not if i like the manager or not.
bring it on.

MunXy

 

[oldblade]

Ah, but if we make the wrong choice we will get out of league one pretty quickly. Just not in the direction that we hope for!

 

[Houso]

personally i think disscussions like this are pointles, first of all short of getting jesus christ, alex ferguson or "the special one" as manager there will be grumblings from the fan "cheap option, hoofball merchant, ex (insert team of choice here) player, wrong hair style" etc etc.
Cant we just agree that whoever McCabe pulls in off the street we should ALL back him completely, you know just for novilties sake, yes mic even you.
we might not like the choice made or agree with it but any schism between SUFC and its fans is only good news for other more "MASSIVE" clubs and clubs with porn jockey owners.
personally if he did a decent job id take colonel gadaffi as manager, as my first priority is that the blades do well and get out of league 1 first attempt not if i like the manager or not.
bring it on.

MunXy

Well yes, of course.

Doesn't hurt to debate the potential and eventual appointment though. Otherwise,Foxy and Linz may as well just shut the board down now.

 

[kop_blade9]

Anybody mentioned Paul Ince yet?

Non cheap option - Steve Mclaren?

 

[BladeHearts]

Well yes, of course.

Doesn't hurt to debate the potential and eventual appointment though. Otherwise,Foxy and Linz may as well just shut the board down now.

Completely, agree the uninformed speculation and rumour of picking a new manager is part of the fun of being a fan. Seamless transitions are boring

 

[Jonny G]

Ince would be a better option than Robins for me.

Although I don't think he's shown a great deal of loyalty in the past, his record doesn't seem too bad and I thought County did ok against Man City whilst he was there.

 

[SteelCity Blade]

Guys if it was that simple we'd all be up for every managers job.

A team full of overrated players with exceptionally bad attitudes and the majority thinking they were far bigger than that very club, Hughton stepped in to the role and seemingly put out the fires and managed to keep together a very strong side, he seemingly changed players that under preformed round, than in itself is an achievement, he kept the squad together got them promoted playing effectively and then went on to get them in a very comfortable position in the top of half of the prem, he delt with the egos of players as well as showing tactical know how, I'd also argue that he seems to have great motivational skills, getting his team to play very well and dominate against a good Sunderland side. To me he has shown both good man management skills and great ability as a tactical manager.

Couldn't have put it better myself bb. That job wasn't as easy as some like to think. Yes they had players that many other teams in the Championship would have wanted but it takes more than that to win a league outright, especially when the club has problems. How many teams have come down with a fantastic squad on paper and struggled in their first season? Down the years I can think of many including Man City, West Ham, Blackburn and even ourselves!

Too easy to say anyone could have taken that side up. There is no way of proving that so credit has to be given for achieving what they did. At the very least he did everything that was expected of him.....what more can you ask for?????

 

[beechblade]

Of course they are, but there are wildly varying levels of risk.

True but nearly everyone if not all on that list what the bookies have are massive risks, what Hughton has over most of them is experience at a very large club. He knows the infrastrutures of big clubs and know one other than maybe RDM and Peter Reid, Danny Wilson and Brain Laws has that experience. Which makes him less of a risk than most. And out of the names mentioned I know the two I'd much rather have.

 

[Jim Chimmerney]

Newcastle could have gone one of two ways last season, continued their decline, inward troubles, overpaid not interested players etc or stormed the league with their talented squad of players. The fact they achieved the latter (althought not stormed) has to have a lot to do with Hughton but he did have the tools for the job. The facts show that around 90% of relegated clubs fail to bounce straight back and he was on a hiding to nothing but the fact remains that he did the job.

Our job next season is a completely different scenario as the first part involves actually building a squad on a limited budget. Very few managers outside of the top two divisions have experience of that.

 

[SteelCity Blade]

Just looking at the odds. Hughton is the bookies favourite at the moment for the West Ham job. Hardly surprising since he's a London boy and spent a brief spell with them before retiring. Seems like an absolute no brainer to me. He would be a good fit for them and could get them straight back up if they let him keep some of their better players.

If he has a big rebuilding job to do he might find that job even more difficult than he would find ours. Even so I expect him to be their next manager and as he was never seemingly in the running for ours I think its safe to draw a line under that.

 

[Jim Chimmerney]

Just looking at the odds. Hughton is the bookies favourite at the moment for the West Ham job. Hardly surprising since he's a London boy and spent a brief spell with them before retiring. Seems like an absolute no brainer to me. He would be a good fit for them and could get them straight back up if they let him keep some of their better players.

If he has a big rebuilding job to do he might find that job even more difficult than he would find ours. Even so I expect him to be their next manager and as he was never seemingly in the running for ours I think its safe to draw a line under that.

WHam will doubtless look at the job he did taking Newcastle back up but from memory, I can't remember Newcastle losing as many key players as WHam are likely to do. Newcastle without Carroll, Nolan, Guitierrez etc would have been a totally different prospect and you can't see Parker, Cole, Green and a few others still being around next season.

It will be interesting to see what the owners do as I saw an interview yesterday in which a financial consultant said they would have to put in around £40M in cash just to keep the club viable next season. Incredibly, he reckoned they have the 6th highest wage bill in the Prem.

 

[SteelCity Blade]

WHam will doubtless look at the job he did taking Newcastle back up but from memory, I can't remember Newcastle losing as many key players as WHam are likely to do. Newcastle without Carroll, Nolan, Guitierrez etc would have been a totally different prospect and you can't see Parker, Cole, Green and a few others still being around next season.

It will be interesting to see what the owners do as I saw an interview yesterday in which a financial consultant said they would have to put in around £40M in cash just to keep the club viable next season. Incredibly, he reckoned they have the 6th highest wage bill in the Prem.

I dont doubt it. When you look at their squad they have a number of England international players (always earn massive wages) and a few others that they spent a sizeable fee on. Some of the salaries in that squad will need to be seen to be believed and I seem to remember Gold and Sullivan talking about how ludicrous some of the contracts are when they first came in. They've been a poorly run club for a long time in terms of finances and despite having two or three very handy players they've spent shitloads on overrated and injury prone players.

The problem for them will be off-loading some of those players. As I said, many of them are overrated (some are just in poor form) and they're on ridiculous money! Who would want them and who could afford them?!!!!

 

[sheffielder]

I dont doubt it. When you look at their squad they have a number of England international players (always earn massive wages) and a few others that they spent a sizeable fee on. Some of the salaries in that squad will need to be seen to be believed and I seem to remember Gold and Sullivan talking about how ludicrous some of the contracts are when they first came in. They've been a poorly run club for a long time in terms of finances and despite having two or three very handy players they've spent shitloads on overrated and injury prone players.

The problem for them will be off-loading some of those players. As I said, many of them are overrated (some are just in poor form) and they're on ridiculous money! Who would want them and who could afford them?!!!!

Sounds familiar!

 

[SteelCity Blade]

Sounds familiar!

I cant possibly imagine who you're talking about.....?

 

[Pinchy]

It's very easy to pour scorn on McLaren because of his stewardship of the England team but his club record is a very different proposition and bears scrutiny. His Boro team played proper football and with some success. I would prefer him by far to some if the lightweights like Hill, Wilder and Tisdale.

Similarly, Reid has plenty of credits to has name and would be a sound if uninspiring choice.

My own preferences:
Coppell
Pembo
Di Matteo

No Hoofers need apply!

 

[Wards]

Coppell

 

[Sothall_Blade]

It's very easy to pour scorn on McLaren because of his stewardship of the England team but his club record is a very different proposition and bears scrutiny. His Boro team played proper football and with some success. I would prefer him by far to some if the lightweights like Hill, Wilder and Tisdale.

Similarly, Reid has plenty of credits to has name and would be a sound if uninspiring choice.

My own preferences:
Coppell
Pembo
Di Matteo

No Hoofers need apply!

Surely you're forgetting Reid's tactics of "hoofing" it up to Quinn/Phillips at Sunderland?
Or Coppell's "hoofing" team of the Geoff Thomas/Mark Bright era?
Or maybe you're finally accepting that it is possible for a manager to employ more than one style of play?

 

[Pinchy]

Coppell

Easily the best choice: Plays proper football; A great eye for unknowns who turn into stars; Vast experience; Has worked with Pembo before; Current links to the city.

Far and away the best man for the job.

Others will now churn out the familiar 'negatives': All of them either false or irrelevant.

---------- Post added at 05:52 PM ---------- Previous post was at 05:46 PM ----------

Surely you're forgetting Reid's tactics of "hoofing" it up to Quinn/Phillips at Sunderland?
Or Coppell's "hoofing" team of the Geoff Thomas/Mark Bright era?
Or maybe you're finally accepting that it is possible for a manager to employ more than one style of play?

Not at The Lane in recent times: We've :heart:ed Hoofing like it's going out of fashion (the irony, of course, being that it has, decades ago).

I wouldn't want Reid myself. Simply pointing out that the young guns still have a long way to go and some of the names greeted with ridicule are not really that bad: just drawn that way.

I'm off to BDTBL now to see Pembo's lads play proper football. I hope Dinosaur Dave's not there: It will totally confuse him.

 

[Wards]

Coppell never walks out on a job half way through... he probably wouldn't even get the chance given McCabe twitchy trigger finger this season

 

[Guesty]

Easily the best choice: Plays proper football; A great eye for unknowns who turn into stars; Vast experience; Has worked with Pembo before; Current links to the city.

Far and away the best man for the job.

Others will now churn out the familiar 'negatives': All of them either false or irrelevant.

Negatives like having retired?

 

[mpjacko]

Firstly, we ain't going to get a new manager until the squad is reduced i.e expired contracts, players with high saleries, potential fee are sold on etc, leaving them with a bar squad which will need building.

Secondly, i am worried by some of the suggestions fans are coming up with. Do you really want Ince, Robbins etc who have done nothing? It annoys me as much when people say "he could do a job for us" when posting a player name.

More importantly , United should be looking at managers who are in a successful team in the lower leagues i.e league 1 and 2. We are a big club and no ambitious manager would turn us down. The chance of managing a big club should be enough for them to join us. Other clubs do it, so why not united