CONFIRMED Nils Zätterström to Genoa

[CaptainMorgans]

Bord.

Des Taylor was Bord's man?

I thought he was possibly Tom Page's guy. The fella that was spearheading the takeover originally.

 

[Sean Thornton]

Des Taylor was Bord's man?

I thought he was possibly Tom Page's guy. The fella that was spearheading the takeover originally.

Sorry, my error. Tom Page is the guy suing COH in the US.

 

[CaptainMorgans]

Sorry, my error. Tom Page is the guy suing COH in the US.

No worries mate.

Either way, we seemed to have a very strong window or two during Des Taylor's time here (certainly that was the impression at the time).. and it did make me ponder on the impact a DoF could have on the club.

It's not a silver bullet, the ground has to be laid and the appointment needs to be the right one.. but I would like to see it explored. For the club to evolve, we do need to move away from the over reliance on Wilder and his pals.

 

[Silent Blade]

Des Taylor was Bord's man?

I thought he was possibly Tom Page's guy. The fella that was spearheading the takeover originally.

Des Taylor came to us 2 years ago before Bord joined us?

 

[diplomat]

When on earth did we put such a high fee on him.

I dont mind us spending a couple of £100k on players who may or may not come good. But this one seems crazy and then we had an opportunity to offload and we missed it because of a clause being too high.

If they had made his move permanent, for that fee I think the Italians would have been sending their board for psychological testing

Do we know what we paid for him? Maybe, scarily, the clause represented a modest profit on our outlay.

 

[Trigger Blade]

Bord.

Me too, it’s this hot weather.

 

[CaptainMorgans]

Des Taylor came to us 2 years ago before Bord joined us?

That's what I was saying mate. I also don't think Bord had "a man." He had a computer!

 

[ben1987]

Sorry, my error. Tom Page is the guy suing COH in the US.

Imagine suing someone for cutting you out of a deal which went on to lose £40m on one sunny day in London

 

[Bladesman]

 

[AdamSufc1997]

How do we know if he's ny good if he hasn't played at all lol

 

[SE1Blade]

How do we know if he's ny good if he hasn't played at all lol

Because the team management see him every day in training. They obviously think he’s not good enough. That being the case he shouldn’t be anywhere near our first team.

 

[CaptainMorgans]

How do we know if he's ny good if he hasn't played at all lol

First teamers allegedly banter about how bad he is.

 

[Kenilworth]

Chong ? Our only player at the World Cup and who set up the only goal in the WC history of Curaçao ? He should have had a 6 year contract.

By set up, you mean losing possession and being really lucky that the next touch was off a defender, right into the path of the scorer?

Stunning skills

 

[Badger Blade]

How do we know if he's ny good if he hasn't played at all lol

By that logic, I demand a trial of my own!

 

[Torrix1889]

Something weird with this kid for sure. Played Champions League football for Malmo and made his International debut, all by the age of 19/20. Signs a 4 year deal with Malmo in 2024 yet they bomb him out to us a year later. We then bomb him out on loan to Genoa who barely play him.

 

[KMC-1889]

Because the team management see him every day in training. They obviously think he’s not good enough. That being the case he shouldn’t be anywhere near our first team.

Why did they spend £3m on him then?

 

[Berkshire Blade]

Why did they spend £3m on him then?

Well the guy in charge of all those transfers has been sent backing and even tried to buy Sheffield Wednesday so perhaps that gives you a clue to how stupid he is.

 

[LurkerBlade]

Because the team management see him every day in training. They obviously think he’s not good enough. That being the case he shouldn’t be anywhere near our first team.

Although I agree with you, he has played two full games in Serie A and they let in only 1 goal.

Serie A is different to the champ and he may not be a good fit, but being at Genoa for 4 months and getting himself from the bench and then onto the pitch would mean they saw something in training?

I will caveat with the fact they had an option to buy and didn't take it up, but I think he has potential.

 

[KMC-1889]

Well the guy in charge of all those transfers has been sent backing and even tried to buy Sheffield Wednesday so perhaps that gives you a clue to how stupid he is.

Bettis, Hoyland and Allen tried to buy Sheffield Wednesday?

Bord was a consultant, he was never a Sheffield United employee and didn’t have lock and key over the business.

He’s been a very useful scapegoat though!

 

[Berkshire Blade]

Bettis, Hoyland and Allen tried to buy Sheffield Wednesday?

Bord was a consultant, he was never a Sheffield United employee and didn’t have lock and key over the business.

He’s been a very useful scapegoat though!

Do they also do the groundsmans job? Or the goalkeepers? Program sellers? No.

They fucked up by hiring this guy and sacking Wilder because of him. They have tried to undo it but there is no quick fix from a monumental mistake.

Scapegoat? It's their fault for putting their trust in him for sure but it's also his for his crap his signings are!

 

[KMC-1889]

Do they also do the groundsmans job? Or the goalkeepers? Program sellers? No.

They fucked up by hiring this guy and sacking Wilder because of him. They have tried to undo it but there is no quick fix from a monumental mistake.

Scapegoat? It's their fault for putting their trust in him for sure but it's also his for his crap his signings are!

If you don’t think the CEO, Chief Scout and Head of Analytics wasn’t involved in signing of players I’ve got a bridge to sell you.

It’s not like signing dog shit players was a phenomena linked exclusively to last summer. We’ve been signing shit players for 15 years.

 

[Berkshire Blade]

If you don’t think the CEO, Chief Scout and Head of Analytics wasn’t involved in signing of players I’ve got a bridge to sell you.

It’s not like signing dog shit players was a phenomena linked exclusively to last summer. We’ve been signing shit players for 15 years.

If you stubbornly refuse to see the total change in signings in the early window until we realised how shit they were and who was behind that then there's no point discussing it further either you. It would be like debating if grass is green!

 

[FriethBlade]

First teamers allegedly banter about how bad he is.

yet we are/were hoping Genoa wd pay E5.5m for him!

Two options here 1) we see if hes learned anything in Italy and let him have a (famed) pre season with us to see if hes improved enough to get a game for us 2) we give Genoa a phone call and say hes yours for 2 million ?

 

[KMC-1889]

If you stubbornly refuse to see the total change in signings in the early window until we realised how shit they were and who was behind that then there's no point discussing it further either you. It would be like debating if grass is green!

And the signings at the back end of the window were any better? Thank goodness for Chong, Godfrey, & McGuinness were here to save our season.

 

[Snowflake]

By set up, you mean losing possession and being really lucky that the next touch was off a defender, right into the path of the scorer?

Stunning skills

No ! He started near the halfway line and it was his pass that lead to the ball being miscontrolled by the recipient and coming loose to the scorer.
He may not be in favour with many on this forum, but take heart that the German team are not yet in the Championship!

 

[Jan Age]

If you stubbornly refuse to see the total change in signings in the early window until we realised how shit they were and who was behind that then there's no point discussing it further either you. It would be like debating if grass is green!

Yes we went from shit signings to much more expensive shit singings

 

[Shawy24]

Bettis, Hoyland and Allen tried to buy Sheffield Wednesday?

Bord was a consultant, he was never a Sheffield United employee and didn’t have lock and key over the business.

He’s been a very useful scapegoat though!

Rubbish

 

[I should coco]

Bettis, Hoyland and Allen tried to buy Sheffield Wednesday?

Bord was a consultant, he was never a Sheffield United employee and didn’t have lock and key over the business.

He’s been a very useful scapegoat though!

Suggesting he was some mere 'consultant, is disingenuous, he very much had the board's ear. He was a Brit who professed to know football, but also a Poundland Tech Bro, who used stats and AI.
Well it turned out that he was just a bit shit at spotting a player..
He was also a bit shit at buying a club. His consortium put in a ludicrous bid for Shithole FC, more than twice what other established entrepreneurs were prepared to offer.

The board got conned by him, as they did in appointing the charlatan.
You plainly don't like Betis, Hoyland and Allen, but to suggest they should have put their jobs on the line, telling their new bosses that they are idiots, is fanciful.

If you have ever worked for an American company, you will know that they are always right. In my experience, they don't want to hear 'no', but maybe you know the inner workings at the Lane, better than any of us.

Why not go back to just blaming Wilder?

 

[KMC-1889]

Suggesting he was some mere 'consultant, is disingenuous, he very much had the board's ear. He was a Brit who professed to know football, but also a Poundland Tech Bro, who used stats and AI.
Well it turned out that he was just a bit shit at spotting a player..
He was also a bit shit at buying a club. His consortium put in a ludicrous bid for Shithole FC, more than twice what other established entrepreneurs were prepared to offer.

The board got conned by him, as they did in appointing the charlatan.
You plainly don't like Betis, Hoyland and Allen, but to suggest they should have put their jobs on the line, telling their new bosses that they are idiots, is fanciful.

If you have ever worked for an American company, you will know that they are always right. In my experience, they don't want to hear 'no', but maybe you know the inner workings at the Lane, better than any of us.

Why not go back to just blaming Wilder?

What’s the point in paying people to be in a position of authority if your not going to listen to that authority or they’re not going to exercise that authority.

I’ve worked for plenty of American companies, as an employee and a consultant (the last one was a key sponsor at the lane, which granted me quite a bit of contact with the commercial side of United), the suggestion they’d trust an external consultant over people they’ve employed (and promoted to the board) is fanciful at best.

I believe in holding senior members of an executive team to account. Over the last 10 years we’ve had so many opportunities to take a step forward and at every opportunity we’ve wasted it. Hundreds of millions of pounds have gone through that team and all we have to show for it is some debt, a new car park, some LEDs and land we can’t afford to build on.

Even when we tried to make a change we managed to completely balls it up, twice. All while seeing clubs around us progress and make a fight of sustaining premier league football, or being in a position to fight for it.

I’m not particularly bothered who the manager is anymore, because they’re always going to be let down by the lack of any structure, ability or knowledge anywhere else in the club. Not really sure what moving Knill out and shuffling the deck chairs on the titanic will achieve either.

 

[I should coco]

What’s the point in paying people to be in a position of authority if your not going to listen to that authority or they’re not going to exercise that authority.

I’ve worked for plenty of American companies, as an employee and a consultant (the last one was a key sponsor at the lane, which granted me quite a bit of contact with the commercial side of United), the suggestion they’d trust an external consultant over people they’ve employed (and promoted to the board) is fanciful at best.

I believe in holding senior members of an executive team to account. Over the last 10 years we’ve had so many opportunities to take a step forward and at every opportunity we’ve wasted it. Hundreds of millions of pounds have gone through that team and all we have to show for it is some debt, a new car park, some LEDs and land we can’t afford to build on.

Even when we tried to make a change we managed to completely balls it up, twice. All while seeing clubs around us progress and make a fight of sustaining premier league football, or being in a position to fight for it.

I’m not particularly bothered who the manager is anymore, because they’re always going to be let down by the lack of any structure, ability or knowledge anywhere else in the club. Not really sure what moving Knill out and shuffling the deck chairs on the titanic will achieve either.

Oddly, I find myself agreeing with most of what you said. Where I disagree, is in your assumption that 'senior members of an executive team' can stand up to owners who consider themselves 'disrupters'. I'd imagine that facing Trump-era 'Tech bros gods', Betis et al, have to be very careful what they say.

I don't particulary rate Betis and see him as a beancounter, forced into the limelight. We could have got better, but the Prince was more interested in making a turn on his investment. He wasn't really very bothered about long term structure.

The sad fact is that these new owners seem no better. It looks like it's all a bit of a game for them. Have a punt on the soccerball game in little old England, until you get bored and move on.

On the basis that I have no faith in them appointing good Technical and Sporting Directors, I think having Wilder who knows the club, is about as good as it gets.

You disagree, fair enough.