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That land next to Cross Lane and Hathersage Road, I'm fairly certain, is nothing to do with the house. It's old sports pitches with a ramshackle building of former changing rooms etc. It's been derelict for donkey's years. I've a feeling it's never been developed as there's some stipulation it must be used for sports/recreational type activity. It'd probably be suitable size wise, but there's probably better value elsewhere.
Yeah it's had a sports pitch on it years and years ago, now just left to grow wild really.

Could buy just the fields as you say, but the whole site would be ideal, including building around the house as a centre perhaps. Would give the complex the amount of area/space it'd need in order for it to be a worthwhile upgrade on Shirecliffe
 

What about Norfolk Park fields? currently a footy pitch a stones throw from Bramall Lane
I'd have thought there are stipulations on the development of the land and public/private usage. Curenttly it's open for public use (kind of) and managed by the council, that's probably stipulated by the terms of usage set when the land was donated to the city.
 
I'd have thought there are stipulations on the development of the land and public/private usage. Curenttly it's open for public use (kind of) and managed by the council, that's probably stipulated by the terms of usage set when the land was donated to the city.
nowt a backhander can't do...

... Mind you with the prince he'd probably offer 50 bob and Lys Mousset
 
Yeah it's had a sports pitch on it years and years ago, now just left to grow wild really.

Could buy just the fields as you say, but the whole site would be ideal, including building around the house as a centre perhaps. Would give the complex the amount of area/space it'd need in order for it to be a worthwhile upgrade on Shirecliffe
I believe a sign has gone up recently on this site saying it's been sold.
 
I'm guessing you mean this bit, on Cross Lane?

Would be a great site but the folk who own the house in the middle wouldn't ever sell.

The bits on the other side of Hathersage Rd (Whirlow Brook side) would be a good shout as well, nice and flat (ish)
That house was on the market a few months back and quickly sold. That area would not be big enough anyway imo.

I always thought the land and pitches off ringinglow rd would be ideal, pretty sure Birkdale school own it now as their sports fields.
 
I believe a sign has gone up recently on this site saying it's been sold.
Not sure it would be big enough to accommodate the buildings you'd expect from that sort of facility and the number of pitches a modern training ground would be expected to have. This is based on nothing other than guesswork however.
 
That house was on the market a few months back and quickly sold. That area would not be big enough anyway imo.

I always thought the land and pitches off ringinglow rd would be ideal, pretty sure Birkdale school own it now as their sports fields.
They do yes. There are a couple of council pitches behind the school grounds but not big enough on there own for what would be required.
 
That land next to Cross Lane and Hathersage Road, I'm fairly certain, is nothing to do with the house. It's old sports pitches with a ramshackle building of former changing rooms etc. It's been derelict for donkey's years. I've a feeling it's never been developed as there's some stipulation it must be used for sports/recreational type activity. It'd probably be suitable size wise, but there's probably better value elsewhere.
Mentioned further up, its the old Castle College sports ground. There used to be football pitch, a rugby pitch and a cricket square on it. Its nowhere near big enough. You need somewhere big enough for 6-8 pitches plus all the buildings.
 
If ownership delivers on a new training ground/academy site I’ll eat massive humble pie and sincerely thank the prince for securing our long term future
I too will gladly eat my pie if it turns out to be right. Maybe he has set some cash aside for this? If not one wonders how it will be paid for with the club apparently strapped for cash? Hope it won't be by selling the family assets like Ndaiye, Bogle and Jebbo. What would happen to Shirecliffe? Would the new site become the new training Ground and a new upgraded Academy which would seem to make sense.? In that event what would happen to Shirecliffe. I believe the Club own it. I don't really know the site and I am not sure if they own the 4 football pitches or just what is known as the academy? The whole site must be getting on for 10 acres. Could it be sold off for a housing development? Even if not the whole a part of it? With planning permission for residential housing it might be worth several million.
 
Whats the reasoning for the Aerodome falling through?

Price too high? Who are the current owners?
Think it was mentioned that the there would be some complications around change of use for it
 
That house was on the market a few months back and quickly sold. That area would not be big enough anyway imo.

I always thought the land and pitches off ringinglow rd would be ideal, pretty sure Birkdale school own it now as their sports fields.
Thats the old Castle Dyke pitches. My dad's Saturday team used to play on there and we used to get dragged up there. There is cold, there is freezing and there is Castle Dyke.
 
I too will gladly eat my pie if it turns out to be right. Maybe he has set some cash aside for this? If not one wonders how it will be paid for with the club apparently strapped for cash? Hope it won't be by selling the family assets like Ndaiye, Bogle and Jebbo. What would happen to Shirecliffe? Would the new site become the new training Ground and a new upgraded Academy which would seem to make sense.? In that event what would happen to Shirecliffe. I believe the Club own it. I don't really know the site and I am not sure if they own the 4 football pitches or just what is known as the academy? The whole site must be getting on for 10 acres. Could it be sold off for a housing development? Even if not the whole a part of it? With planning permission for residential housing it might be worth several million.
I’m not sure we’d be actively exploring options on land and planning if we didn’t have the cash already to at least get a facility off the ground so I wouldn’t expect the initial stage of developments to need funding from sales but obviously any later expansions might.

The original plan floated around when Norton was on the table was that a new facility would be built away from shirecliffe with the requisite pitches and classrooms for the academy to go Cat 1 and the women’s team would also be housed at that new facility. When this happened the men’s team would have sole use of the Shirecliffe site moving into the academy building and getting an additional modular building onsite with the old working men’s club being demolished.

There were hints towards the men’s team eventually joining the other elements of the club at the new facility later down the line but you’d assume that would take another injection of cash and the construction of more buildings and pitches
 

That land next to Cross Lane and Hathersage Road, I'm fairly certain, is nothing to do with the house. It's old sports pitches with a ramshackle building of former changing rooms etc. It's been derelict for donkey's years. I've a feeling it's never been developed as there's some stipulation it must be used for sports/recreational type activity. It'd probably be suitable size wise, but there's probably better value elsewhere.
Don't think its big enough and hasn't been used for 30 years ish.

Think it used to be YEB sports ground.
 
Thats the old Castle Dyke pitches. My dad's Saturday team used to play on there and we used to get dragged up there. There is cold, there is freezing and there is Castle Dyke.
Yes Castle Dyke pitches now owned by Birkdale school who also rebuilt the old pavilion/changing rooms.
 
Thats the old Castle Dyke pitches. My dad's Saturday team used to play on there and we used to get dragged up there. There is cold, there is freezing and there is Castle Dyke.
My cricket club's pitch for home matches there in the mid 1990s. Not cold in the summer though
 
That house was on the market a few months back and quickly sold. That area would not be big enough anyway imo.

I always thought the land and pitches off ringinglow rd would be ideal, pretty sure Birkdale school own it now as their sports fields.
Ah I guess that means mi mates folks must have sold up or pegged it then!

I'm mostly going from memory of the site, I was at school at Ecgberts and used to go past it on the bus every day, not surprised it's smaller than I recall
 
That land next to Cross Lane and Hathersage Road, I'm fairly certain, is nothing to do with the house. It's old sports pitches with a ramshackle building of former changing rooms etc. It's been derelict for donkey's years. I've a feeling it's never been developed as there's some stipulation it must be used for sports/recreational type activity. It'd probably be suitable size wise, but there's probably better value elsewhere.
Already been sold I think for housing development, as it has passed the non usage requirement about 18 months ago, could be wrong.
The main requirement being no sports use for about 10 years...which has been well met.
 
I too will gladly eat my pie if it turns out to be right. Maybe he has set some cash aside for this? If not one wonders how it will be paid for with the club apparently strapped for cash? Hope it won't be by selling the family assets like Ndaiye, Bogle and Jebbo. What would happen to Shirecliffe? Would the new site become the new training Ground and a new upgraded Academy which would seem to make sense.? In that event what would happen to Shirecliffe. I believe the Club own it. I don't really know the site and I am not sure if they own the 4 football pitches or just what is known as the academy? The whole site must be getting on for 10 acres. Could it be sold off for a housing development? Even if not the whole a part of it? With planning permission for residential housing it might be worth several million.
19acres if I remember rightly ,sold to sufc by forgmasters for about £500k , land value now about 15 m with planning for houses
 
There's land up at Whirlow that used to be football pitches, next to HSBC, although it's pretty exposed to the element up there.

If I had to guess I'd go for somewhere between Handsworth and Waverley, there's loads of land earmarked for development and its close to the motorway.
I think Whirlow would be ideal, most of them live locally too, so it’d be better for the players than traipsing over town.

A lot of the land at Waverley and around the airport is earmarked for commercial use mainly, so can’t see it being there.
 
Whats the reasoning for the Aerodome falling through?

Price too high? Who are the current owners?
My guess would be it’s been earmarked for housing. The council need to enable development for 20,000 new homes and this site could arguably fit a decent % of that.
 
Council own some of the land with stipulations by the M.O.D.and the rest is owned by the nhs
the entire site of the aerodrome is owned by SCC it was sold by the government for £1 on th etce stipulation it would only be for housing but if SCC wanted to do anything else ( shopping centre, football academy) they would have to pay the market value for the land (millions)

ive said this for ages and identiied the land/area that would make sense for an academy as being in the east end/airport/orgreave area due to a number of issues ( cheaper land, level areas, less planning constraints transport links etc) quite why people think whirlow is an attractive option is beyond me there isnt enough land what there is would need extensive drainge adding bearing in mind the run off from the upper fields/moorland etc what there is is near to green field sites also the price would be prohibitive.

aslo this "piggy council" myth is pathetic if that was true they would have sold the land swfc training ground is on to Milan Mandaric when he wanted to sell it for housing.
 
the entire site of the aerodrome is owned by SCC it was sold by the government for £1 on th etce stipulation it would only be for housing but if SCC wanted to do anything else ( shopping centre, football academy) they would have to pay the market value for the land (millions)

ive said this for ages and identiied the land/area that would make sense for an academy as being in the east end/airport/orgreave area due to a number of issues ( cheaper land, level areas, less planning constraints transport links etc) quite why people think whirlow is an attractive option is beyond me there isnt enough land what there is would need extensive drainge adding bearing in mind the run off from the upper fields/moorland etc what there is is near to green field sites also the price would be prohibitive.

aslo this "piggy council" myth is pathetic if that was true they would have sold the land swfc training ground is on to Milan Mandaric when he wanted to sell it for housing.
I do get your points but as for drainage and run off from the moorlands, the HSBC ground bang next door to the one mentioned has been fine for decades and the pitches are brilliant. But I agree the land mentioned is too small.

As for piggy council, I have no idea if that is right or not, I highly doubt it but your point of them not selling because Mandaric wanted to turn it into housing? Surely any Wendy fan would have put the blockers on this? A perfectly decent training ground next to the ground and you expect Wendy fans in the council to say yeah build houses on the fucker.
 
Ah I guess that means mi mates folks must have sold up or pegged it then!

I'm mostly going from memory of the site, I was at school at Ecgberts and used to go past it on the bus every day, not surprised it's smaller than I recall
I used to live in Dore and went to Ecgberts too. Like you, it's probably smaller than I remember it and entirely unsuitable!
 
I think Whirlow would be ideal, most of them live locally too, so it’d be better for the players than traipsing over town.

A lot of the land at Waverley and around the airport is earmarked for commercial use mainly, so can’t see it being there.
a training ground is a commercial enterprise
I do get your points but as for drainage and run off from the moorlands, the HSBC ground bang next door to the one mentioned has been fine for decades and the pitches are brilliant. But I agree the land mentioned is too small.

As for piggy council, I have no idea if that is right or not, I highly doubt it but your point of them not selling because Mandaric wanted to turn it into housing? Surely any Wendy fan would have put the blockers on this? A perfectly decent training ground next to the ground and you expect Wendy fans in the council to say yeah build houses on the fucker.
the pitches that would be required for training ground are a bit different (underground heating etc) but i take your point.

when he wanted to build on it they had the Co-Op loan hanging over them and he actually sent out details for the sale of the training ground it was only when council officers pointed out to him that SWFC didnt own the land that it stopped.

my point is that there is this myth that wednesday fans ruleover any planning decisions when in reality the rules/laws regarding planning are very straight forward especailly when it comes to changing a site designated for housing to other things
 

That house was on the market a few months back and quickly sold. That area would not be big enough anyway imo.

I always thought the land and pitches off ringinglow rd would be ideal, pretty sure Birkdale school own it now as their sports fields.
Birkdale ‘own’ a 99 year lease on the Castle Dyke site bought for the princely premium of £249,999. The idea was according to the council at the time that they would spend a fortune upgrading the facilities (true), and the general plebs would benefit as they would get to use the lovely pitches (false). Of course what actually happened was they immediately installed loads of fencing to keep the plebs out which the council had not considered. Only after a lot of campaigning did they finally agree open up the poorest pitches for public use.
 

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