New stadium at the Lane?

[blade too long]

4. Not really "regular". Leeds Spurs Chelsea when we were doing really well. Man United towards the seasons end- Easter Tuesday?- four clubs who all brought huge support for those games.

well all teams who get big gates count away fans

dont arsenal get away fans , youve just argued it

 

[Sean Thornton]

wasnt guaranteed was it

Maybe their season ticket waiting list, like other big clubs have, took an element of risk away? Being in the top flight for so long helps them assess demand as well.

Meanwhile we've not got back there yet, are a long way off and you believe we need a 44000 stadium for our first season back? If the Pigs - in a play off place - were saying that, you'd be mocking them.

 

[PeterNdlovu081]

I only count league games

I only count facts.

 

[BushBlade]

the main point is to go from 38000 to 60000 was a big risk , and seeing as they havent won the prem since , it fills every week at silly prices

They had a long waiting list for season tickets so they knew they'd be able to fill the stadium.

 

[blade too long]

Maybe their season ticket waiting list, like other big clubs have, took an element of risk away? Being in the top flight for so long helps them assess demand as well.

Meanwhile we've not got back there yet, are a long way off and you believe we need a 44000 stadium for our first season back? If the Pigs - in a play off place - were saying that, you'd be mocking them.

middlesboro saints Stoke , Sunderland then take your pick all speculated on bigger grounds
done ok

 

[BushBlade]

still didnt fill it every game . which is the point , it was a huge step to go from 38000 to 60000 needed some grande cahones to do it

They sold as many tickets as they were allowed to. Their capacity was reduced.

 

[Sean Thornton]

well all teams who get big gates count away fans

dont arsenal get away fans , youve just argued it

What?

 

[blade too long]

I only count facts.

league cup games are not worth counting due to the changes made
keep it league

 

[blade too long]

They sold as many tickets as they were allowed to. Their capacity was reduced.

only for one season i posted 7 seasons

stop being stupid

 

[blade too long]

What?

all teams us included have away fans in the attendance
whats your point

 

[Sean Thornton]

They sold as many tickets as they were allowed to. Their capacity was reduced.

Deja vu ?

 

[lingsbord]

I do agree but having to wash your hands in cold water on the Kop on a freezing cold Tuesday night in 2017 is unbelievable. I've considered taking warm water in a flask just to wash my hands after the inevitable half time piss.

Or you could wash your cock before you come to the ground, then it won't be so dirty you have to wash your hands after touching it




That's a joke btw - but in reality while you may have a point I do agree with some previous sentiments on the issue of the quality of facilities. I eat and drink before I get to the ground so all I want is somewhere to sit (or stand!), some basic weather protection, and a decent view. the rest they can invest in the squad.

 

[blade too long]

Maybe their season ticket waiting list, like other big clubs have, took an element of risk away? Being in the top flight for so long helps them assess demand as well.

Meanwhile we've not got back there yet, are a long way off and you believe we need a 44000 stadium for our first season back? If the Pigs - in a play off place - were saying that, you'd be mocking them.

wednesday ground just now due to safety reasons has a lower capacity than ours ,
they cant go in the leppings corner and put up full house with 30 k against wolves

wednesday only get 30 k plus when its us or a tenner a ticket

 

[BushBlade]

↑
Apart from 1997 onwards when the averaged 37K+ or 38k every season until they moved?

Emirates doesn't hold 80000.

Other than that....
typo sorry 60k

nothing in highbury average attendances in this period didnt offer hope of filling a 60 k stadium

1994 30.563
1993 24.403
1992 31.905
1991 Champ 36.864
1990 33.713
1989 Champ 35.595
1988 29.910
1987 29.022
1986 23.824
see how attendances fell average of 5000 after not winning the title in 92

only for one season i posted 7 seasons

stop being stupid

That's what you posted. After 91 their attendances were reduced due to the Taylor Report which lead them to redevelop the North bank. Then their attendances went up again.

They sold out for several seasons before they moved and had a long waiting list for season tickets.

That's all I have to say on the matter.

Don't you dare accuse me of being stupid when you're posting shite.

 

[PeterNdlovu081]

league cup games are not worth counting due to the changes made
keep it league

What changes?

We played a full strength team and Arsenal's kids thumped us 6-0.

 

[blade too long]

↑
Apart from 1997 onwards when the averaged 37K+ or 38k every season until they moved?

Emirates doesn't hold 80000.

Other than that....
typo sorry 60k

nothing in highbury average attendances in this period didnt offer hope of filling a 60 k stadium

1994 30.563
1993 24.403
1992 31.905
1991 Champ 36.864
1990 33.713
1989 Champ 35.595
1988 29.910
1987 29.022
1986 23.824
see how attendances fell average of 5000 after not winning the title in 92

That's what you posted. After 91 their attendances were reduced due to the Taylor Report which lead them to redevelop the North bank. Then their attendances went up again.

They sold out for several seasons before they moved and had a long waiting list for season tickets.

That's all I have to say on the matter.

Don't you dare accuse me of being stupid when you're posting shite.

well how did the capacity differ every season they got 36 k in 91 and 31 in in 92
they got 23 k in 86 , and 29 in in 88

did they change their capicity every fucking season for 8 years
the taylor report came after hillsborough didnt it for fucks sake


or did it fluctuate

 

[blade too long]

What changes?

We played a full strength team and Arsenal's kids thumped us 6-0.

its a cup Im discussing league attendances get with the programme
when we discuss league cup attendances all well and good
how the fuck is a league cup game relative to league attendances

 

[Sean Thornton]

only for one season i posted 7 seasons

stop being stupid

all teams us included have away fans in the attendance
whats your point

I'll pass on the main one to save an infraction.

We are talking about Arsenals gates. You said they were not getting capacity gates before they moved to the Emirates. When it was pointed out it was at the most a few hundred below - on average remember - you switched to years earlier when the capacity was reduced and the North Bank was being restructured. ( Which you actually claimed, wrongly you'd ignored for the comparison. )

Your figures are all over the place as usual.

As your original comparison was with us and Arsenal, never been relegated, who were having success in the nineties and after, and that while with a season ticket waiting list they got an extra 22000 fans in and you expect us to find another 25000, including away fans obviously, in the first season back?

How many of the clubs you mention have achieved that week in week out?

 

[FATTYFOULKE]

"Any decision is based on cost versus increased income from that upgrade"

I keep reading this type of comment, ROI and such like but is it really the case?

McCabes track record at United is one of literally chucking tens of millions at the club in a bid to build something.

The recession is over, his businesses are doing extremely well and he's stumbled on Chris Wilder who looks like some one capable of delivering his dream of finally turning his boyhood club into a top team.

Would he really baulk at chucking a few more million at the stadium if he thinks we're finally getting there? It's not like he doesn't own it anyway.

 

[blade too long]

I'll pass on the main one to save an infraction.

We are talking about Arsenals gates. You said they were not getting capacity gates before they moved to the Emirates. When it was pointed out it was at the most a few hundred below - on average remember - you switched to years earlier when the capacity was reduced and the North Bank was being restructured. ( Which you actually claimed, wrongly you'd ignored for the comparison. )

Your figures are all over the place as usual.

As your original comparison was with us and Arsenal, never been relegated, who were having success in the nineties and after, and that while with a season ticket waiting list they got an extra 22000 fans in and you expect us to find another 25000, including away fans obviously, in the first season back?

How many of the clubs you mention have achieved that week in week out?

heres a point how many of those I MENTIONED AVERAGES HAVE DROPPED BELOW THEIR PREVIOUS GROUNDS AVERAGE

Might not have filled them all the time but gates are all up

southampton in the prem got 14000 at the dell

30000 in the new ground

explain that

 

[PeterNdlovu081]

why cant I compare us with Arsenal

arent they a football club

In the sixties we were their equal

Yeah but the 60s ended nearly 50 years ago. We're no longer their equal.

Plus, they'd already won more by the 60s than we've ever won.

 

[blade too long]

Yeah but the 60s ended nearly 50 years ago. We're no longer their equal.

Plus, they'd already won more by the 60s than we've ever won.

whats that got to do with anything
how much theyve won is irrelevant
I dont give two diddly fucks how much theyve won
when we meet again it wont count for fuck all

 

[PeterNdlovu081]

whats that got to do with anything
how much theyve won is irrelevant
I dont give two diddly fucks how much theyve won
when we meet again it wont count for fuck all

You brought it up.

 

[BushBlade]

well how did the capacity differ every season they got 36 k in 91 and 31 in in 92
they got 23 k in 86 , and 29 in in 88

did they change their capicity every fucking season for 8 years
the taylor report came after hillsborough didnt it for fucks sake


or did it fluctuate

Was that the point I was making? No, I said the reason it fell after 91 was because of the Taylor report and the subsequent rebuild.

Before that there was a general trend for the attendances to rise, which coincided with their success and the start of the general increase in football attendances thoughout the country as the law finally started getting to grips with the hooligan problem and it became safe again.

But most importantly, what their attendance was in 1986 had very little bearing on the move to the Emirates, a decision that was made in 1997, out of necessity because they were refused planning permission to extend Highbury to cope with the increasing demand for tickets.

In what way is any of this relevant to a discussion on whether a L1 club getting promoted to the championship should start considering a major stadium rebuild, other than they're both professional football clubs which is the same as saying you can compare Bob's News and Tobbaconists to IKEA because they're both shops.

 

[blade too long]

You brought it up.

no I was talking about arsenals attendances as well you fucking know

 

[Sean Thornton]

well how did the capacity differ every season they got 36 k in 91 and 31 in in 92
they got 23 k in 86 , and 29 in in 88

did they change their capicity every fucking season for 8 years
the taylor report came after hillsborough didnt it for fucks sake


or did it fluctuate

Being Champions in 91 probably helped. 86 they had a poor season under Don Howe.

Left field I know but....

 

[penthouseblade]

Isn't there a computer game that predicted Sheffield United will be the most successful team in the world in just 1000 years time? That being the case, is a 50,000 capacity stadium really going to cut it?

 

[BushBlade]

"Any decision is based on cost versus increased income from that upgrade"

I keep reading this type of comment, ROI and such like but is it really the case?

McCabes track record at United is one of literally chucking tens of millions at the club in a bid to build something.

The recession is over, his businesses are doing extremely well and he's stumbled on Chris Wilder who looks like some one capable of delivering his dream of finally turning his boyhood club into a top team.

Would he really baulk at chucking a few more million at the stadium if he thinks we're finally getting there? It's not like he doesn't own it anyway.

Actually, I wouldn't rule it out.

 

[blade too long]

Was that the point I was making? No, I said the reason it fell after 91 was because of the Taylor report and the subsequent rebuild.

Before that there was a general trend for the attendances to rise, which coincided with their success and the start of the general increase in football attendances thoughout the country as the law finally started getting to grips with the hooligan problem and it became safe again.

But most importantly, what their attendance was in 1986 had very little bearing on the move to the Emirates, a decision that was made in 1997, out of necessity because they were refused planning permission to extend Highbury to cope with the increasing demand for tickets.

In what way is any of this relevant to a discussion on whether a L1 club getting promoted to the championship should start considering a major stadium rebuild, other than they're both professional football clubs which is the same as saying you can compare Bob's News and Tobbaconists to IKEA because they're both shops.

its called forward planning


if we can pull 27000 in league one after 6 dreadful years why shouldnt we look to bigger gates in at first the championship and then further down the line the prem where we truly belong
32 K or thereabouts wont be adequate for our needs back in the prem

 

[PeterNdlovu081]

no I was talking about arsenals attendances as well you fucking know

No need to get angry 'cos I had thi kecks darn.