New Manager ?

[luffenhamblade]

Ah ok, so just because the majority don’t agree with your opinion, they’re all idiots? Bet you’re one of those remoaners?!!

For what it's worth no I'm not. But again, a majority of what population?

Not sure what I've done to the thread but I appear to have made you into a ventriloquist! Sorry!

 

[DI36O]

I'm not bothered about Norwich, I just expect better from us given the players at our disposal, and the budget given to the manager (especially January onwards)

Just giving you an example of what you're wishing for with your priorities

 

[AnstonBlade1]

I’d Wilder goes I’d imagine it will be an unknown manager from the Bulgarian second division or somewhere like.

 

[Moan? Nope-I saw Longhorn]

You don't think going fully AI only is a little ott?

Pardon I clearly didn't interview every single blade but most people in football supporting groups are still not totally against a little bit of old school scouting

Where (& when) was this reported?
What does “fully AI” actually mean?

 

[Nedski]

His stubbornness and "I know best" attitude will be his downfall. It'll also make him a lot less attractive to future employers.

Despite winning 92 points we probably earnt closer to 60. We probably had 5 genuinely good performances all season.

We were comprehensively outplayed by Portsmouth and Plymouth AT HOME (we only won because we have Hamer), got smashed by Hull AT HOME, lost against Oxford, Millwall, Plymouth in a shocking run at the most important time, and barely laid a finger on our biggest rivals for promotion.

We continued to play Robinson ahead of the FAR more accomplished Holding, even when Robbo was clearly at fault for numerous goals and nowhere near the standard for a promotion team. Rak Sakyi was continually dropped despite always looking a threat (inconsistent, yes, but always positive and on the front foot which took pressure off our ridiculously deep lying defence after 30 minutes of every game) and finishing as our 3rd top scorer. I'm pretty sure every game had one "wtf is he thinking" decision in the starting line up.

Our top scorer finished on 10 goals. The mighty Josh Windass and Callum Robinson outscored our best players. A lot of fans don't want Jacobsen from Preston but he outscored our best players. This isn't down to our players not being good enough because they clearly are, it's down to our management and tactics not allowing them to do what they are paid to do. It's absolutely no surprise coming from a manager that loved to play Norwood, Fleck and Lundstram behind Sharp and McBurnie in the premier league when we couldn't buy a win.

The Americans will want a degree of entertainment, one of our board members is an expert in fan engagement, there is no way Wilder stays on as manager UNLESS he stops trying to micromanage every part of the club and allows modern ideas, decisions and players to come in to the equation.

 

[Cheeky Blade]

Wilder stays on as manager UNLESS he stops trying to micromanage every part of the club

You’ve touched on something here because that was a strength when we had the absent Prince owning the club.

 

[PrestwichBlade]

It was said by the board in their recent statement that signings will be AI driven, it didn't go into detail on what percentage will be AI to manager led I'd guess but the statement seemed clear to me that AI will be the way going forward.

It didn't. They just said they'd use data and analytics far more effectively.

 

[Rodley]

Sacking a manager who got us 92 points is pretty wild stuff. We’re usually a pretty stable club.

 

[Sheffsteel]

Well as two of them are young and come from Bulgaria, the other from Peru, what do you expect me to think? If the signings were for experienced internationals then fair enough. We need 3/4 quality additions ready to go straight into the team. So far the signings from AI are not convincing me that these are ready now to go in. Maybe the fact Wilder never played Cecares has gone against him also. He's 23 in September but never played for Peru who are not a good side I might add.

You clearly don’t understand what an AI signing is.

These players are going to appear to be crap at first glance. So they will be relatively cheap to buy and we can pay low wages. However a fancy computer has studied the data and decided that theres a reasonable probability that they can make the grade in England.

Think of it like receiving intelligence that some of jackpot lottery tickets have been sent to a particular newsagent.

So go in that newsagent and buy £50 of lottery tickets, More than likely you will lose your £50 but you’ve increased your chances of hitting the jackpot.

These AI players are a calculated risk that more likely to fail but didn’t cost much and there’s a realistic chance they might become assets in 2 or 3 years.

 

[Fatlad666]

I’d Wilder goes I’d imagine it will be an unknown manager from the Bulgarian second division or somewhere like.

Calm down Alan, sorry thought you was him because we all know he is too.

 

[Booker4]

Just out of interest blade_ben what's your views or is it just laughing at views?

 

[Danetheblade]

I’d Wilder goes I’d imagine it will be an unknown manager from the Bulgarian second division or somewhere like.

Bulgarian First Division*

 

[Sheffsteel]

I’d Wilder goes I’d imagine it will be an unknown manager from the Bulgarian second division or somewhere like.

At least it would make you happy.

You do make a decent point that the USA, like Chansiri from Thailand are hardly football countries. Our owners might not know much about football, so they have heavily reliant on contacts or advisors and who knows how much they know about football.

It’s all a risk. We’ve tried to move away from our roots of Warnock and Wilder and it’s never worked. On paper Jukanovic was a highly ambitious appointment, so some random bloke from Bulgaria can’t be any worse.

 

[blade_ben]

Just out of interest blade_ben what's your views or is it just laughing at views?

I’m laughing at the people who actually think we’ll only sign AI players and for the first team. Wilder should go. The football bar a few games was awful. His petulance won’t go down well with the owners as he’s damaging the brand like the fines. People mention him getting a new contract, like this won’t contain clauses. These are business men.. not the muppet at Hillsborough.

 

[Booker4]

You clearly don’t understand what an AI signing is.

These players are going to appear to be crap at first glance. So they will be relatively cheap to buy and we can pay low wages. However a fancy computer has studied the data and decided that theres a reasonable probability that they can make the grade in England.

Think of it like receiving intelligence that some of jackpot lottery tickets have been sent to a particular newsagent.

So go in that newsagent and buy £50 of lottery tickets, More than likely you will lose your £50 but you’ve increased your chances of hitting the jackpot.

These AI players are a calculated risk that more likely to fail but didn’t cost much and there’s a realistic chance they might become assets in 2 or 3 years.

I appreciate that these are low risk signings but we don't actually know what the boards thoughts are on whether these should be included or not as first team players. Take Caceres as an example at 23 in early next season. At that age I would imagine that he's been bought with a view to playing in the first team sooner rather than later. He might be a really good player, dont get me wrong.

But we also need signings now, ready to go into the team. It's early days right now with the board but I'm not convinced thus far based on a 22 year old with no caps for Peru at any level apart from one appearance for the under 23's and two 20 year old Nigerians with no appearances for Nigeria at any level but again, I'm not saying they won't be good but it's just not filling me with confidence, nor the statement from the board after the play offs that stated

"We will do this (recruitment) by using data and analytics far more effectively to recruit the best and brightest talent"

 

[HillmortonBlade]

Rather simplistically. If we upgrade our manager I’ll be happy (and surprised), if we take a punt on another manager I’ll be disappointed but take a holding position, if we keep Wilder I’ll be pleased and take a holding position.

 

[luffenhamblade]

Rather simplistically. If we upgrade our manager I’ll be happy (and surprised), if we take a punt on another manager I’ll be disappointed but take a holding position, if we keep Wilder I’ll be pleased and take a holding position.

What you said

 

[BobbyDavison'sDebut]

I think there's more to this that just performances on the pitch (going 1-nil up and trying to hold on, the 3 losses towards the end of the season against teams we were expected to beat, odd team selection and substitutions). I don't think the amount we have been fined by the FA over the season will have gone down too well - especially the one at Plymouth that was 100% down to the manager. We also have the off-field antics. Passion is one thing but would the board view some of these things as an embarrassment to the brand? We are not in this to gain plaudits from the supporters of other clubs (most wanted Sunderland to win because of their dislike of Wilder) but when the board are obviously trying to promote Sheffield United FC then the negative press certainly won't help.

 

[Sean Thornton]

Correct it's not new information, clubs in Europe and many other countries around the world have had the Director of Football/Sporting Director and "coach" structure for years. Including all the successful ones who actually win something. The Premier League/Championship has been going down the same route for quite a while also. Last season only Southampton didn't have a Director of Football/Sporting Director. Wilder has been quoted as not been willing to work in such a structure and his buddy Bettis made a clear statement in The Star in May last year that we were definitely not having a Director Football and we didn't think it was the way forward. So should we take it the "Sheffield United Way" is better than the vast majority of clubs throughout "modern footballing" world?

May 2024 was under the previous ownership.

 

[The Fox]

I’ll be disappointed but take a holding position, if we keep Wilder I’ll be pleased and take a holding position.

All these holding position is like standing at the Urinal and pissing away another season

We need to move forwards not stand still , not just in the manager but in coaching staff, medical , conditioning, recruitment, infrastructure, all if it.

 

[Sean Thornton]

You’ve touched on something here because that was a strength when we had the absent Prince owning the club.

I was pleased to read all the new owners had moved full time into the rooms above the Cricketers rather than having to use newish technology to have discussions with each other or the staff.

 

[Agreasychipbutty]

Despite winning 92 points we probably earnt closer to 60.

You make some fair points about Wilders style of play and the lack of goals, but this is a bonkers statement.

You can't just say we didn't "earn" the points we did because it wasn't done the way you'd like. We won a lot of games and earned 92 points, whether we would have earned more with another manager or how reliant we were on individuals like Hamer for those points is up for debate, but the table doesn't lie.

 

[Balham]

Sacking a manager who got us 92 points is pretty wild stuff. We’re usually a pretty stable club.

We got 89 points off 20 teams... and 3 points from six matches against the other 3 teams, who were coincidentally the others in the top 4. That won't have gone unnoticed.

 

[luffenhamblade]

We got 89 points off 20 teams... and 3 points from six matches against the other 3 teams, who were coincidentally the others in the top 4. That won't have gone unnoticed.

We were third in the league - who expected that at the start of the season. Sure, we weren't as pretty as we might like but in terms of outcomes we were far better than we had any right to expect.

 

[The Fox]

Of course cw contributed alot towards last season. , I wouldn't deny that .
However to quote Tommy Docherty , what makes a great manager ? ...great players .

We had better players and a better squad than pretty much the rest of the division .

We probably performed on par and finished on par .. apart from the play off final or the 3 losses when it really mattered .

 

[Balham]

We were third in the league - who expected that at the start of the season. Sure, we weren't as pretty as we might like but in terms of outcomes we were far better than we had any right to expect.

We had the third biggest budget. By that measure our performance was in line with expectations. You may have expected less but once the season kicked off with the team we had, I expected us to finish in the top 4.

 

[reedy63]

Chris Wilder is a legend for what He did for us in his first spell. The Prince was not present much in the year leading up to his sale of the club.
So Chris Wilder had the say in incoming players. Apart from Brewster and Cannon, in my opinion, He did well bringing new signings in.
Now we have American Owners who quite rightly have the right to have the final say in all transfers. After all, they paid a lot of money to buy the club.
Now, if Chris Wilder insists on having the final say. They have the right to sack Him. A lot of Blade fans wanted him gone after we managed to lose the playoff final. I will be very interested to see what happens if they sack Wilder, who they will bring in, I have no idea. In my opinion, they should give Him ten to fifteen games if is are in the bottom half, having a poor start to the season, then give him the sack.

 

[Rodley]

We got 89 points off 20 teams... and 3 points from six matches against the other 3 teams, who were coincidentally the others in the top 4. That won't have gone unnoticed.

For me with what happened to Baldock, the problems of the summer transfer window due to the protracted takeover, CW deserves another season.

If he has reservations about this AI revolution, I don’t blame him, as the Plovdiv 2 and Jeff aren’t going to get anywhere near the first team. In that respect they will just block Academy graduates.

Moreover my sense of unease is the speed it’s taken a decision like this (far too long) and my suspicion that whilst we’ve got some seemingly clever people at the helm, I worry they know very little about Championship football.

 

[Smirth]

It's a smart proactive move if true. They've probably looked at our style of play this season (the non existent one), and looked at the last 2 seasons we had in the Premier League with Wilder which were, let's not sugar coat it, a complete embarrassment regardless of the circumstances and thought it's probably better to fix the problem and actually drag this club into the 21st century now and build something which could complete in the PL. Wilder isn't doing that again as he's too stubborn to change.

 

[jt64]

We were third in the league - who expected that at the start of the season. Sure, we weren't as pretty as we might like but in terms of outcomes we were far better than we had any right to expect.

If you were expecting anything less than finishing in the playoffs then you were either being absurdly pessimistic or trolling.