Nevr about money, far from it, always about the manager.

[BigBed]

Yeah twice.

 

[pommpey]

we had enormous bad luck not getting up with 90 points
losing ched to a miscarriage of justice
and then losing Brayford whilst winning v swindon

we all agree Adkins turned out badly
but to be fair his cv promised more
are we the only league one club to have sold players, must look that up

You missed out a few things there. Trivialising us selling players just masks the obvious. Investment in talent and retention of talent begets success. You can 'bad luck', and 'miscarriage' all you want. Had we strength in depth we would have consistency. And without consistency, you can't guarantee success. As we have seen. We are still lacking in areas if we get injuries or suspensions. I want us to remain on top, if not second place. We are but one bit of 'bad luck' (a loss for us and two wins from them) from being where we don't want to be ... in the playoffs.

pommpey

 

[Woodwardfan]

You missed out a few things there. Trivialising us selling players just masks the obvious. Investment in talent and retention of talent begets success. You can 'bad luck', and 'miscarriage' all you want. Had we strength in depth we would have consistency. And without consistency, you can't guarantee success. As we have seen. We are still lacking in areas if we get injuries or suspensions. I want us to remain on top, if not second place. We are but one bit of 'bad luck' (a loss for us and two wins from them) from being where we don't want to be ... in the playoffs.

pommpey

Pommpey, as always you lose sight of the losses over the years, millions and millions of pounds. At one time KM was subbing the club with £1m a month to top up cash flow. In 2007 our wage bill was £23.5m, £17m the year after. We had many quality players and Beattie was on £40k per week when he was with us. We've spent ( and lost) our Prem windfall payments, the Tevez money, the freehold on the ground etc.etc. sand KM has lost a fortune.

It's not bad luck but it's a tragedy for all of us. Perhaps Wilder can put right a few wrongs. I'd love KM to be able to leave a legacy for Blades fans and maybe Wilder is his last chance. Get on board, take a ride, enjoy the ride.

 

[Woodwardfan]

Let's mass debate the merits of Wilder when we've actually achieved something.

I love coming from behind, like yesterday in Bury, especially on the pitch... but it's not as stressful when we penetrate their defences from the beginning. 1 up, then 2 up, makes Lydon a happy-slapper. Three up and it's like being in Heaven.

Don't mind the positivity, but sometimes a dose is required to make you take stock of what the future may hold.

Quite right.
Lydon, you would have got 47 'likes' for that post if you'd started a new thread.

 

[PeteBlade]

Pommpey, as always you lose sight of the losses over the years, millions and millions of pounds. At one time KM was subbing the club with £1m a month to top up cash flow. In 2007 our wage bill was £23.5m, £17m the year after. We had many quality players and Beattie was on £40k per week when he was with us. We've spent ( and lost) our Prem windfall payments, the Tevez money, the freehold on the ground etc.etc. sand KM has lost a fortune.

It's not bad luck but it's a tragedy for all of us. Perhaps Wilder can put right a few wrongs. I'd love KM to be able to leave a legacy for Blades fans and maybe Wilder is his last chance. Get on board, take a ride, enjoy the ride.

It's not our fault that Kevin has misspent his money, he's in charge, he should have handled it better.

But like asking for sympathy for a lottery winner who splurges all their winnings on fast cars and fast women.

 

[Woodwardfan]

It's not our fault that Kevin has misspent his money, he's in charge, he should have handled it better.

But like asking for sympathy for a lottery winner who splurges all their winnings on fast cars and fast women.

Nobody is blaming the fans, of course it's not "our fault" and yes KM will rue many of his mistakes.

 

[Bladesway]

Wilder has shown us all that it's not about money and funds to spend. It's about leadership and knowing the game. knowing a player. It's about the manager, the man. Every football club is all about the football manager. Some of these top clubs have to get their manager right or they are lost, regardless of their cheque books. Forever has it been so.

Chris Wilder is the right man in the right place at the right time and he has enough bottle to say he thinks the Board "have been brilliant".

WE ARE UNITED, at long last. I wondered whether I would ever see it again. Harris did it, Basett did it. UNITED again, feels great.

Go on Chris, become a legend, make me a happy Blade in my 70th year. When Leicester did what they did, the lovely stories were about all their old fans. I'm one, just do it Chris, I've always loved you, ever since you and I sat in the stand at Wrexham away in some sort of cup game all those years ago. You were injured but you were there, just like us with your mates, all True Blades', as they say.

Just do it.

Fair play to you Woody there's little to argue with here. How can anyone begrudge a fellow blade being happy in the current climate. We may argue about how we get there but we do all want the same thing.

Wilder is one of very few people in the game who could have brought us together and got us working as a team. What is even more remarkable is that he has done it with minimum fuss, got rid of the shit and done something few before have been capable of, making players want to play for the shirt. Blackwell did it for a short time as did Clough. Before that you have to go back to Warnock.

 

[pommpey]

Pommpey, as always you lose sight of the losses over the years, millions and millions of pounds. At one time KM was subbing the club with £1m a month to top up cash flow. In 2007 our wage bill was £23.5m, £17m the year after. We had many quality players and Beattie was on £40k per week when he was with us. We've spent ( and lost) our Prem windfall payments, the Tevez money, the freehold on the ground etc.etc. sand KM has lost a fortune.

It's not bad luck but it's a tragedy for all of us. Perhaps Wilder can put right a few wrongs. I'd love KM to be able to leave a legacy for Blades fans and maybe Wilder is his last chance. Get on board, take a ride, enjoy the ride.

I don't lose sight of the losses. I don't have much sympathy, either. I didn't lose the PL windfall and Tevez money. I didn't force Warnock to resign, either. I didn't hire the pisshead as his replacement, sell our players and hire shit managers in the interim period. And after the embarkation of a supposed Saudi cash cow, I didn't lead the fans on by announcing a false dawn of hope.

I think Wilder has done wondrous things with this squad, but you keep purposefully forgetting to remember that although this team seems like champions today, we are an injury to Sharp away from losing that potency, and next year we'd best be prepared to equip the squad for next year's journey, if everything goes well for us.

pommpey

 

[I should coco]

I don't have much sympathy, either. I didn't lose the PL windfall and Tevez money. I didn't force Warnock to resign, either. I didn't hire the pisshead as his replacement, sell our players and hire shit managers in the interim period

And there my children, ends today's sermon on the 'the benefits of hindsight'.

Nasty nasty McCabe deliberately wasting all that money!

I'm outraged and where do I claim my compo?

 

[Douglas Jardine]

I don't lose sight of the losses. I don't have much sympathy, either. I didn't lose the PL windfall and Tevez money. I didn't force Warnock to resign, either. I didn't hire the pisshead as his replacement, sell our players and hire shit managers in the interim period. And after the embarkation of a supposed Saudi cash cow, I didn't lead the fans on by announcing a false dawn of hope.

I think Wilder has done wondrous things with this squad, but you keep purposefully forgetting to remember that although this team seems like champions today, we are an injury to Sharp away from losing that potency, and next year we'd best be prepared to equip the squad for next year's journey, if everything goes well for us.

pommpey

Spot on Captain Pugwash yet again,and add the fucking Desso waste of money to the list,

Douglas Iron Duke Jardine

 

[Douglas Jardine]

And there my children, ends today's sermon on the 'the benefits of hindsight'.

Nasty nasty McCabe deliberately wasting all that money!

I'm outraged and where do I claim my compo?

You will be outraged when Duffy is sold this month to pay for the 2nd instalment on the Desso

Douglas Iron Duke Jardine

 

[Woodwardfan]

I don't lose sight of the losses. I don't have much sympathy, either. I didn't lose the PL windfall and Tevez money. I didn't force Warnock to resign, either. I didn't hire the pisshead as his replacement, sell our players and hire shit managers in the interim period. And after the embarkation of a supposed Saudi cash cow, I didn't lead the fans on by announcing a false dawn of hope.

I think Wilder has done wondrous things with this squad, but you keep purposefully forgetting to remember that although this team seems like champions today, we are an injury to Sharp away from losing that potency, and next year we'd best be prepared to equip the squad for next year's journey, if everything goes well for us.

pommpey

There is also the fact that our club shares the record for Play-Off failures and Final defeats, most on KM's watch.

How on earth does any owner and set of fans cope with all that and still keep spending our hard earned money? Well KM and us do!! And YES there are plenty of hard luck stories in those 8 episodes.

Look at S6 where 1 failure out of 2 Play-Offs ( I think) is a catastrophe!!

 

[Maidenhead]

It's not our fault that Kevin has misspent his money, he's in charge, he should have handled it better.

But like asking for sympathy for a lottery winner who splurges all their winnings on fast cars and fast women.

At least you recognise that it's HIS money and not our money that he's wasting

 

[Maidenhead]

I don't lose sight of the losses. I don't have much sympathy, either. I didn't lose the PL windfall and Tevez money. I didn't force Warnock to resign, either. I didn't hire the pisshead as his replacement, sell our players and hire shit managers in the interim period. And after the embarkation of a supposed Saudi cash cow, I didn't lead the fans on by announcing a false dawn of hope.

I think Wilder has done wondrous things with this squad, but you keep purposefully forgetting to remember that although this team seems like champions today, we are an injury to Sharp away from losing that potency, and next year we'd best be prepared to equip the squad for next year's journey, if everything goes well for us.

pommpey

Out of interest who hired Warwick and took us to the Premiership in the first place?

 

[I should coco]

Spot on Captain Pugwash yet again,and add the fucking Desso waste of money to the list,

So presumably you can be 100% certain that all our good results and our current enjoyable passing game have not been helped by the 'waste of money pitch'?

You will be outraged when Duffy is sold this month to pay for the 2nd instalment on the Desso

And you mak look a bit of a tit when he isn't.

 

[Sean Thornton]

I don't lose sight of the losses. I don't have much sympathy, either. I didn't lose the PL windfall and Tevez money. I didn't force Warnock to resign, either. I didn't hire the pisshead as his replacement, sell our players and hire shit managers in the interim period. And after the embarkation of a supposed Saudi cash cow, I didn't lead the fans on by announcing a false dawn of hope.

I think Wilder has done wondrous things with this squad, but you keep purposefully forgetting to remember that although this team seems like champions today, we are an injury to Sharp away from losing that potency, and next year we'd best be prepared to equip the squad for next year's journey, if everything goes well for us.

pommpey

Warnock wasn't forced to resign. His contract came to an end and wasn't renewed.

 

[Sean Thornton]

So presumably you can be 100% certain that all our good results and our current enjoyable passing game have not been helped by the 'waste of money pitch'?



And you mak look a bit of a tit when he isn't.

Double whoosh I think Coco

 

[Yewsman]

Pommpey, as always you lose sight of the losses over the years, millions and millions of pounds. At one time KM was subbing the club with £1m a month to top up cash flow. In 2007 our wage bill was £23.5m, £17m the year after. We had many quality players and Beattie was on £40k per week when he was with us. We've spent ( and lost) our Prem windfall payments, the Tevez money, the freehold on the ground etc.etc. sand KM has lost a fortune.

It's not bad luck but it's a tragedy for all of us. Perhaps Wilder can put right a few wrongs. I'd love KM to be able to leave a legacy for Blades fans and maybe Wilder is his last chance. Get on board, take a ride, enjoy the ride.

It amazes me how many posters on here just don't get this. Which planet are they from?

 

[1danewhitehouse]

Totally agree. United's problem has never been 'we can't keep sacking managers' but 'we can't keep employing crap managers'. This is why Wilder won't jump ship. He's progressing his career in a slow, measured way - don't walk before you can run. Sure, he could triple his money by going to a club like Hull but, not only will United have overtaken them within 2 years, Chris would have probably been sacked because these foreign owners don't understand that a club should know its place. Chris would be on the sofa in 'Goal Rush' within 12 months.

And that's Carvalhal's problem. He's benefitted from having a budget enviable to most in the Championship and - let's be fair - bought Forestieri (who most hadn't heard of). But now his lack of managerial nous is showing and he's wasting vast fortunes on the likes of Fletcher & Hooper (on £35k - £40k per week each). Not only are these two out for their last big pay day - usually while injured - but Forestieri's agent wants the same for his client and this will result in him leaving.

I think everyone had heard of Forestieri when he has a hand in firing Watford to promotion but I agree he was a bargain at around £4million compared to the likes of Hooper and Fletcher.

 

[1danewhitehouse]

Have to disagree that the team now much of what we had under Adkins.

We've had virtually a complete overhaul, 8 of the players involved against Bury were those brought in by Wilder.

Agreed BUT, our superstar, goal machine, bladey mcbladeface, captain blade and general all round superhero was signed by none other than Adkins himself. Also, in contradiction to the OP, I'd be surprised if (m)any other clubs in our division could have afforded him.

 

[Woodwardfan]

Agreed BUT, our superstar, goal machine, bladey mcbladeface, captain blade and general all round superhero was signed by none other than Adkins himself. Also, in contradiction to the OP, I'd be surprised if (m)any other clubs in our division could have afforded him.

Hi Dane, you may think you contradict the OP but surely the fact that such money was spent and made no difference under the wrong manager all last season, proves the point that it's the manager and the management of the players that is most important. Also Clough spent a mini-fortune yet Wilder has reduced the wage bill and only paid nominal fees out relatively.

Having said all that I take Lydon's point that this season is far from over and it's early days. However the spirit in the club is palpable.

 

[Woodwardfan]

I don't lose sight of the losses. I don't have much sympathy, either. I didn't lose the PL windfall and Tevez money. I didn't force Warnock to resign, either. I didn't hire the pisshead as his replacement, sell our players and hire shit managers in the interim period. And after the embarkation of a supposed Saudi cash cow, I didn't lead the fans on by announcing a false dawn of hope.

I think Wilder has done wondrous things with this squad, but you keep purposefully forgetting to remember that although this team seems like champions today, we are an injury to Sharp away from losing that potency, and next year we'd best be prepared to equip the squad for next year's journey, if everything goes well for us.

pommpey

"I didn't, I didn't do this, I didn't do that, I didn't............" What did you do?

I supported them throughout. I watched game after game after game. Did you? I did, didn't you?

 

[Woodwardfan]

"I didn't, I didn't do this, I didn't do that, I didn't............" What did you do?

I supported them throughout. I watched game after game after game. Did you? I did, didn't you?

Actually Pommpey I take that back about going to games. If you live in the south it's difficult and many Blades live all across the world.

Some spend a fortune getting to games but those who don't are obviously still entitled to an opinion and the right to care.

I apologise but it was the string of "I didn't's" that asked for it really. There are however thousands of match going fans who stick by the club and even understand KM has made the effort. We all know that the constant dredging of every past error does no good whatsoever.KM owns half the club he gave the other half away. We are stuck with him and should hope he has picked a winner at last.

I told you most of that when times were bad and you had a much bigger audience then. I'm suggesting now, in better times, you let it go.

Climb on board, enjoy the ride, yeh!

 

[PeteBlade]

Woodward, you'd do well to remember that it doesn't make you a better class of fan because you blindly agree and defend every single action taken by the club and it's owners.

 

[Finn Keane o' Balmaqueen]

The word that's missing from this thread...

''BUMP''

 

[Finn Keane o' Balmaqueen]

I told you most of that when times were bad and you had a much bigger audience then.

You also told us many times that you were leaving BM/S24SU.
Only to return a month later.
Sorry to say, I think you've brought a lot of the responses you receive due to this.
What makes us want to believe what you post at all?
When posters have questioned you about certain comments, you've conveniently ignored.

 

[Woodwardfan]

You also told us many times that you were leaving BM/S24SU.
Only to return a month later.
Sorry to say, I think you've brought a lot of the responses you receive due to this.
What makes us want to believe what you post at all?
When posters have questioned you about certain comments, you've conveniently ignored.

Lydon, why should a rest from the forum make anything I say unbelievable. I left and I came back, is that such a big deal? I grow weary of battling trolls and sad about some behaviour on here, that's all; I love the forum and have to curb my involvement, it can be addictive and there's more to life. Taking a sabbatical helps rejuvenate the batteries, is that such a sin?

I always expect certain responses to some of my views because I'm not afraid to state what I believe and I am proud of my record on certain sacred cows which I have challenged.

I don't ask you to "believe" anything I post anyway, most of it is opinion, nobody can expect everybody to "believe" what is only an opinion, which most of football is opinion after all. Agree or disagree or partly agree, and we can then develop the point in a debate.

As for "conveniently ignoring" some dialogues, there comes a point on many threads when each contributor has said all he can and the each party can't budge; agree to differ and move on surely. There are many many occasions when the trolls join in and scupper sensible debate too. Threads should not go on for ever and ever. That point you make is often quoted by the trolls when their appetite to attack is unsatisfied.

On the TV match tonight the 4 in the studio went 3/1 and 2/2 on two penalty decisions. That doesn't mean we don't ever believe what the ones who we don't agree with ever say again. It's opinion.

 

[Finn Keane o' Balmaqueen]

Lydon, why should a rest from the forum make anything I say unbelievable.

Who are the trolls?

 

[Woodwardfan]

Woodward, you'd do well to remember that it doesn't make you a better class of fan because you blindly agree and defend every single action taken by the club and it's owners.

You know full well that is not the case Pete, now don't you.

 

[Woodwardfan]

Who are the trolls?

Definition:

n Internet slang, " a troll (/ˈtroʊl/, /ˈtrɒl/) is a person who sows discord on the Internet by starting arguments or upsetting people, by posting inflammatory,[1] extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community (such as a newsgroup, forum, chat room, or blog) with the intent of provoking readers into an emotional response[2] or of otherwise disrupting normal, on-topic discussion,[3] often for the troll's amusement."

We all have our "opinions" as I say. I am not one!!