Nevr about money, far from it, always about the manager.

[Finn Keane o' Balmaqueen]

OK pal, still not much wiser

Hawking's just thrown himself over the cliffs at Flamborough.
He too had the lost the will....

Stay strong Bruce Wayne ... help is always close by.

 

[Blade58]

Fair question.

It's about the experience of blotting out the posts of certain posters but taking part in any thread/debate without knowing what "ignored" members say. often sends posts out of context.

Wednesdayites could easily agitate and affect morale. I suspect there are about three of them on here. If they do that then so be it, it's a social media world and that's how they are.

LS26 asks who the others are.

Who are the piggy posters WF?

 

[Bruce Wayne]

Hawking's just thrown himself over the cliffs at Flamborough.
He too had the lost the will....

Poor bastard, that chair was worth millions.

 

[Woodwardfan]

Who are the piggy posters WF?

If you and I were to state our views, we would probably get 2/3 correct.

For that reason I will not say who I mean, however I have to say I admire their Piggie commitment!!

 

[DiggerBlade]

Wilder has shown us all that it's not about money and funds to spend. It's about leadership and knowing the game. knowing a player. It's about the manager, the man. Every football club is all about the football manager. Some of these top clubs have to get their manager right or they are lost, regardless of their cheque books. Forever has it been so.

Chris Wilder is the right man in the right place at the right time and he has enough bottle to say he thinks the Board "have been brilliant".

WE ARE UNITED, at long last. I wondered whether I would ever see it again. Harris did it, Basett did it. UNITED again, feels great.

Go on Chris, become a legend, make me a happy Blade in my 70th year. When Leicester did what they did, the lovely stories were about all their old fans. I'm one, just do it Chris, I've always loved you, ever since you and I sat in the stand at Wrexham away in some sort of cup game all those years ago. You were injured but you were there, just like us with your mates, all True Blades', as they say.

Just do it.

Getting back to the OP and a brilliant OP at that from Woody who simply stated something the majority of fans and forum readers alike are thinking. I for one am more than happy that we've got who I think is the best up and coming manager in the football league and I mean the entire league. Most so called " Big managers " in the game fleet from one club to another knowing the chasing club dangles the cash carrot and these managers simply buy the best money can buy.

Could any of the top 6 premier league managers achieve what Chris Wilder has achieved at exactly the same clubs that CW has managed with the same funds afforded. Interesting thought indeed but I very much doubt it. Chris Wilder's managerial CV is impressive to say the least and should he gain promotion or promotion as champions then there will be very many clubs and fans up and down the country wanting a "Chris Wilder " in their dressing room managing their club. Take a step back and look at the bigger picture of what we have and accept that we really have a true diamond and one that can negotiate with the board like the fans want.

 

[BigBed]

I'm lost??

 

[Woodwardfan]

Getting back to the OP and a brilliant OP at that from Woody who simply stated something the majority of fans and forum readers alike are thinking. I for one am more than happy that we've got who I think is the best up and coming manager in the football league and I mean the entire league. Most so called " Big managers " in the game fleet from one club to another knowing the chasing club dangles the cash carrot and these managers simply buy the best money can buy.

Could any of the top 6 premier league managers achieve what Chris Wilder has achieved at exactly the same clubs that CW has managed with the same funds afforded. Interesting thought indeed but I very much doubt it. Chris Wilder's managerial CV is impressive to say the least and should he gain promotion or promotion as champions then there will be very many clubs and fans up and down the country wanting a "Chris Wilder " in their dressing room managing their club. Take a step back and look at the bigger picture of what we have and accept that we really have a true diamond and one that can negotiate with the board like the fans want.

If we had appointed Guardiola or Mourinho in the summer, how would they have gone on? Conte, Bradley, Zola, Warnock, Koeman, Moyes, Clough, Southgate!!!!, Hodgson, Adkins, Blackwell, Robson, Adams etc. etc.

Horses for courses, cometh the hour cometh the man.

Whether Wilder can hack it in the Championship, who knows, but for goodness sake give hime 2/3 years to do it.

After that, let's go and introduce the Premier League to 'Total S2 Football' as a brand as they say. Fuck Eddie Howe, Wilder is the new face of English football!! Stocksbridge is near enough S2 after all.

 

[PeteBlade]

Who are the other 4?

*Waves enthusiasticly*

 

[west_yorks_blade]

*Waves enthusiasticly*

I'm not surprised.
Back in the day on BM, you used to have some epic pinchy v pompey style arguments for page after page with the likes of Curtis and Herbert.

Now you are monkeyless you are like Sampson without his hair. Bring back the monkey and get bickering again.

 

[pommpey]

OP:

Not about the money, huh? Okay, I can concede, some of this team didn't cost an arm or a leg. And yes, Wilder does have this team playing in a compact, battling manner whose style and tactics does suggest there is some sort of plan in place.

But what of Clough? His team didn't cost bugger all, but Burton went up. With us, he had money (so we are led to believe) and we played like cowshit. What of Adkins? His team comprised much of what we have now. Someone else posted on here that without Billy Sharp's goals, we'd be twelfth. Did he come to United for fuck all? Did we have the strike capabilities which he has offered this season in years gone by? Its taken him a year to bed in and for the team to get what he is all about. What is your opinion on our options if he clatters into a challenge and ruptures his ACL between now and May? Clarke? McNulty? Lavery?

Typical WWF behavior. The amount and magnitude of blind clappery and failure to recognize that although we are playing fucking great football, grinding out results and sitting on the top of the pile, we are one-brick-thick in key areas and an unfortunate setback away from losing that hard-fought position is ever present. Now we have some polemic propaganda and a whiny response about putting certain posters on ignore, but taking them off and getting back on with the debate because he feels he is missing out on something. Ridiculous.

The reality of football however is bleaker and less merciful. Let's hope that the arrival of piss-boy brings its rewards and we get one or two more to guarantee our supremacy. That, I am afraid, is all about the money.

pommpey

 

[Ricky]

We have still got one of the biggest budgets in the league. But we've finally got a good manager now to go with it. That's why we're top.

 

[I should coco]

The reality of football however is bleaker and less merciful. Let's hope that the arrival of piss-boy brings its rewards and we get one or two more to guarantee our supremacy. That, I am afraid, is all about the money.

Don't do it mate, ring the Samaritans.

It must be pretty bloody bleak in your world.

 

[grafikhaus]

Wilder has shown us all that it's not about money and funds to spend. It's about leadership and knowing the game. knowing a player. It's about the manager, the man. Every football club is all about the football manager. Some of these top clubs have to get their manager right or they are lost, regardless of their cheque books. Forever has it been so.

Chris Wilder is the right man in the right place at the right time and he has enough bottle to say he thinks the Board "have been brilliant".

WE ARE UNITED, at long last. I wondered whether I would ever see it again. Harris did it, Basett did it. UNITED again, feels great.

Go on Chris, become a legend, make me a happy Blade in my 70th year. When Leicester did what they did, the lovely stories were about all their old fans. I'm one, just do it Chris, I've always loved you, ever since you and I sat in the stand at Wrexham away in some sort of cup game all those years ago. You were injured but you were there, just like us with your mates, all True Blades', as they say.

Just do it.

Totally agree. United's problem has never been 'we can't keep sacking managers' but 'we can't keep employing crap managers'. This is why Wilder won't jump ship. He's progressing his career in a slow, measured way - don't walk before you can run. Sure, he could triple his money by going to a club like Hull but, not only will United have overtaken them within 2 years, Chris would have probably been sacked because these foreign owners don't understand that a club should know its place. Chris would be on the sofa in 'Goal Rush' within 12 months.

And that's Carvalhal's problem. He's benefitted from having a budget enviable to most in the Championship and - let's be fair - bought Forestieri (who most hadn't heard of). But now his lack of managerial nous is showing and he's wasting vast fortunes on the likes of Fletcher & Hooper (on £35k - £40k per week each). Not only are these two out for their last big pay day - usually while injured - but Forestieri's agent wants the same for his client and this will result in him leaving.

 

[Yewsman]

Wilder has shown us all that it's not about money and funds to spend. It's about leadership and knowing the game. knowing a player. It's about the manager, the man. Every football club is all about the football manager. Some of these top clubs have to get their manager right or they are lost, regardless of their cheque books. Forever has it been so.

Chris Wilder is the right man in the right place at the right time and he has enough bottle to say he thinks the Board "have been brilliant".

WE ARE UNITED, at long last. I wondered whether I would ever see it again. Harris did it, Basett did it. UNITED again, feels great.

Go on Chris, become a legend, make me a happy Blade in my 70th year. When Leicester did what they did, the lovely stories were about all their old fans. I'm one, just do it Chris, I've always loved you, ever since you and I sat in the stand at Wrexham away in some sort of cup game all those years ago. You were injured but you were there, just like us with your mates, all True Blades', as they say.

Just do it.

Totally agree it's not just about the money. We have reportedly had the biggest wage budget in L1 ever since we were relegated and look where it got us. Certainly the money spent by Clough and Adkins was largely frittered on many poor buys and/or players we could not really afford. There are many clubs who have punched well above their weight by having the right and good manager e.g. Charlton, Wigan, Bolton, Swansea and currently Bournemouth. Look what happened to Charlton when Curbishly left - dropped like a stone. Swansea are wobbling as they don't seem to be able to appoint a decent manager. What chance Bournemouth staying in the PL if Howe leaves?
Since Warnock left we have had a series of poor (and in some cases disastrous) managerial appointments which have cost the club in terms of achievement and also a lot of money paying off Clough and Adkins and probably others. At last it looks like we have a good (and hopefully history will recall a great manager). Not only is he good but he fits the club and vice versa like a glove. Let's hope Woody gets his birthday wish!

 

[blade too long]

its all about the captain running a happy ship
and HMS BLADEY MC BLADEFACE is chugging along at full speed ahead
and this time weve got all the latest technology to avoid any icebergs

Captain Chris and bosun Knill , are steering us on a first class cruise to the promised land

all the crew are dedicated and its set fair for a pleasurable ride

 

[pommpey]

Don't do it mate, ring the Samaritans.

It must be pretty bloody bleak in your world.

The past six years have been bleak. Where have you been?

pommpey

 

[blade too long]

The past six years have been bleak. Where have you been?

pommpey

bleak as regards our expectations
been some good bits 2 cup semis 3 play offs, weve had a bit of hope of redemption
last season was bleak, winter like
but being where Portsmouth are is really bleak
But that will soon be but a distant memory ,like being in div 4 was

 

[Douglas Jardine]

The past six years have been bleak. Where have you been?

pommpey

Not only bleak,but we sold fuckng Jamie Murphy to pay for a bastard Desso pitch,we did not need,and to top it off,now we got to sell Duffy to pay for the 2nd fucking instalment.

Prepare for the play offs

Douglas Iron Duke Jardine

 

[pommpey]

bleak as regards our expectations
been some good bits 2 cup semis 3 play offs, weve had a bit of hope of redemption
last season was bleak, winter like
but being where Portsmouth are is really bleak
But that will soon be but a distant memory ,like being in div 4 was

Not bothered about Portsmouth.

This is a United forum.

Still misfired at this level for six years, despite having a number of managers and flogging players. Do you wish to discuss this further and still offer no answers for that?

pommpey

 

[blade too long]

Not bothered about Portsmouth.

This is a United forum.

Still misfired at this level for six years, despite having a number of managers and flogging players. Do you wish to discuss this further and still offer no answers for that?

pommpey

we had enormous bad luck not getting up with 90 points
losing ched to a miscarriage of justice
and then losing Brayford whilst winning v swindon

we all agree Adkins turned out badly
but to be fair his cv promised more
are we the only league one club to have sold players, must look that up

 

[I should coco]

The past six years have been bleak. Where have you been?

pommpey

Sat in the same seat on the Kop that I've had since 1991.

It's exactly becasue the last few years have been so piss poor that you should try to get some enjoyment out of the current situation. A manager with a plan, a unified squad and a team playing pacy attractive football.

If you can't get something positive out of that, then there is little hope for you.

 

[PeteBlade]

I'm not surprised.
Back in the day on BM, you used to have some epic pinchy v pompey style arguments for page after page with the likes of Curtis and Herbert.

Now you are monkeyless you are like Sampson without his hair. Bring back the monkey and get bickering again.

Piss off.

 

[PeteBlade]

I'm not surprised.
Back in the day on BM, you used to have some epic pinchy v pompey style arguments for page after page with the likes of Curtis and Herbert.

Now you are monkeyless you are like Sampson without his hair. Bring back the monkey and get bickering again.

Sorry, I mean I agree and I've worked hard to rectify that..

 

[ljk]

Wilder has shown us all that it's not about money and funds to spend. It's about leadership and knowing the game. knowing a player. It's about the manager, the man. Every football club is all about the football manager. Some of these top clubs have to get their manager right or they are lost, regardless of their cheque books. Forever has it been so.

Chris Wilder is the right man in the right place at the right time and he has enough bottle to say he thinks the Board "have been brilliant".

WE ARE UNITED, at long last. I wondered whether I would ever see it again. Harris did it, Basett did it. UNITED again, feels great.

Go on Chris, become a legend, make me a happy Blade in my 70th year. When Leicester did what they did, the lovely stories were about all their old fans. I'm one, just do it Chris, I've always loved you, ever since you and I sat in the stand at Wrexham away in some sort of cup game all those years ago. You were injured but you were there, just like us with your mates, all True Blades', as they say.

Just do it.

I think it's a nice sentiment and I'm all for really revelling in the good times, but I don't really agree and I think that attributing everything to Wilder could lead to daft decisions in the future: him being sacked, namely.

He clearly has had a huge influence but a big part of that has been down to him seizing opportunities as they came by. If Lafferty and Ebanks Landell hadn't been available we wouldn't be top, nor would we be if somebody came in for coutts when he was on the transfer list, or Coventry weren't fucking stupid in giving us Fleck for free.

I think football, in England anyway, is just a big bunch of variables and the best managers don't try to control them more than they're able to. If we attribute everything to Wilder that means that, one day, if he has a group that don't click for whatever reason, or luck isn't on our side, he'll take the cop for all of it.

 

[PeteBlade]

OP:

Not about the money, huh? Okay, I can concede, some of this team didn't cost an arm or a leg. And yes, Wilder does have this team playing in a compact, battling manner whose style and tactics does suggest there is some sort of plan in place.

But what of Clough? His team didn't cost bugger all, but Burton went up. With us, he had money (so we are led to believe) and we played like cowshit. What of Adkins? His team comprised much of what we have now. Someone else posted on here that without Billy Sharp's goals, we'd be twelfth. Did he come to United for fuck all? Did we have the strike capabilities which he has offered this season in years gone by? Its taken him a year to bed in and for the team to get what he is all about. What is your opinion on our options if he clatters into a challenge and ruptures his ACL between now and May? Clarke? McNulty? Lavery?

Typical WWF behavior. The amount and magnitude of blind clappery and failure to recognize that although we are playing fucking great football, grinding out results and sitting on the top of the pile, we are one-brick-thick in key areas and an unfortunate setback away from losing that hard-fought position is ever present. Now we have some polemic propaganda and a whiny response about putting certain posters on ignore, but taking them off and getting back on with the debate because he feels he is missing out on something. Ridiculous.

The reality of football however is bleaker and less merciful. Let's hope that the arrival of piss-boy brings its rewards and we get one or two more to guarantee our supremacy. That, I am afraid, is all about the money.

pommpey

Have to disagree that the team now much of what we had under Adkins.

We've had virtually a complete overhaul, 8 of the players involved against Bury were those brought in by Wilder.

 

[coaxingstar71]

Is it just me, but I don't get why anyone would put another poster on 'ignore'? I've never used it so I don't know how it works but is anyone really so sensitive they can't take a bit of banter or even shrug off some abuse? I think the worst I've seen for a while was the response from Cockney Blade to a post started by seanbeenstattoo . It's a forum with basically anonymous posters so you're bound to get some trolling, but I always think it's a bit like road rage, you sit in the relative security of your car shaking your fist and swearing at someone, but if you met them, you wouldn't probably act that way.

I find the best way of responding to an abusive post is to 'like' it - that seems to confuse the hell out of them and you don't get any more.

 

[Grappler]

When Wolves and Bristol went up from our division, it was all about the money, people said "they have the right idea, buy the best players from your rivals, and smart loan moves from higher leagues as well", same as Rotherham with Agard and Revell. Some teams attracted Premier league youngsters, others picked up cagey old pro's who "could still do a job for us, they would tear this division a new one" (trademark: Grappler), sometimes it was all down to home grown talent like Dele Alli or it was a young, up and coming manager like Karl Robinson, or Eddie ("Manager of the Decade award") Howe.

We had some good luck, with the likes of Conor Coady (a fan favourite who scored more for us than he has for two clubs since leaving) , and then we had lads like Harry Bunn, who had scored one goal in two years before coming to us. We had a literal "cagey old pro" in Marlon King.....

We had David Weir, a manager that was so new and up and coming, he had never even managed before........

ljk (in his post above) is correct, it's all about variables, and getting all the right ingredients, right place, right time.

A lot of this is due to the manager, of course. If a player upsets Chris Wilder, I don't expect him to freeze him out, or ask him to train with the kids, I expect Chris to go and stand face to face and have it out with that person.

As things stand, nothing is perfect (which is natural), players still have off days, teams like Walsall beat us (and I hope those three points don't come back to haunt us), but on the plus side, I cannot imagine Dave Kitson rolling up at training and telling the manager he is part of the team, and that being the first the manager knew of it (no disrespect to Dave Kitson by the way, scored around 1 in 3 when he played for us) and I can't imagine Chris Wilder pulling up at BDTBL and seeing Marlon King's car there, a week after he had told Radio Sheffield that he would not be made an offer to join.

 

[nopigfansintown]

We have a top six budget that i think will only increase post January. The only big wages left at the club after the summers business were Coutts, Basham, J Wallace and Sharp. Sharp took a 50% wage cut to join United which he confirmed in his interview with Alan Biggs on Sheffield Live (I posted this last season).We got Brayford and a large number of players off the wage bill in the summer, whilst selling arguably our most valuable(maybe saleable is a better word?) assets in Adams and DCL. Wilder has reduced playing costs whilst increasing the value of the squad. Any signings that haven't worked out should be easier to jettison as they fit into a more sensible wage structure.

 

[BushBlade]

When Wolves and Bristol went up from our division, it was all about the money, people said "they have the right idea, buy the best players from your rivals, and smart loan moves from higher leagues as well", same as Rotherham with Agard and Revell. Some teams attracted Premier league youngsters, others picked up cagey old pro's who "could still do a job for us, they would tear this division a new one" (trademark: Grappler), sometimes it was all down to home grown talent like Dele Alli or it was a young, up and coming manager like Karl Robinson, or Eddie ("Manager of the Decade award") Howe.

We had some good luck, with the likes of Conor Coady (a fan favourite who scored more for us than he has for two clubs since leaving) , and then we had lads like Harry Bunn, who had scored one goal in two years before coming to us. We had a literal "cagey old pro" in Marlon King.....

We had David Weir, a manager that was so new and up and coming, he had never even managed before........

ljk (in his post above) is correct, it's all about variables, and getting all the right ingredients, right place, right time.

A lot of this is due to the manager, of course. If a player upsets Chris Wilder, I don't expect him to freeze him out, or ask him to train with the kids, I expect Chris to go and stand face to face and have it out with that person.

As things stand, nothing is perfect (which is natural), players still have off days, teams like Walsall beat us (and I hope those three points don't come back to haunt us), but on the plus side, I cannot imagine Dave Kitson rolling up at training and telling the manager he is part of the team, and that being the first the manager knew of it (no disrespect to Dave Kitson by the way, scored around 1 in 3 when he played for us) and I can't imagine Chris Wilder pulling up at BDTBL and seeing Marlon King's car there, a week after he had told Radio Sheffield that he would not be made an offer to join.

When CW was offered the Charlton job and became aware of our interest, he demanded written assurances from Charlton about how the club would be run. When he didn't get them he joined us instead. So I'd guess he's got some things written into his contract about who has final say on signings etc.
and so he should. There are only two people with the required knowledge and experience to recruit players and neither of them are called McCabe.

 

[Maidenhead]

I'm lost??

tried google maps?