Neil Warnock And Kevin Blackwell !!!!

[blade too long]

2. Thinly veiled dig at Adkins: "I came to the pre-season game against Newcastle and they {Blades} had 42 pros. If you can't find 11 out of 42 it's (shakes head), you know what I mean...." Biggs challenges this and suggests it might be "better to find 11 out of 25." Blackwell: "Well you've got more options, that's for sure."
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my sentiments exactly yes we had some crap but even iff 22 were unusable there's still 20 to pick from

 

[Finn Keane o' Balmaqueen]

Thanks Lydon - that was a proper mouth full of tea laugh out loud mess at my desk. You're not normal.

I'm only here to entertain.

 

[The Bohemian]

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Warnock: disregards sports science, works Thursday-Saturday (as he did during his time at SUFC), does his best work 5 mins before KO and at half-time, emotional and impulsive, blames referee for almost every defeat..

That's Utter nonsense regarding Warnock and just a lazy stereotype.

Warlocks doesn't disregard sports science, and neither did Blackwell. Warnock brought Dean Riddle to the club to head up sports science when he was here - Riddle is one of the leading sports scientists in the world and is now at Seattle Seahawks. He was one of the first to use GPS technology to aid in player performance, and where did he do that??..at Sheffield united under Warnock.

When Blackwell returned to the lane one off the first things he did was bring Riddle back.

Just because a managers style might be more direct, motivational etc. doesn't mean they disregard modern techniques. If anything Warnock embraced those things to try and get an extra edge due to a small budget.

Bassett was the same. He was one of the first managers to implement specific fitness trainers, nutritionalist etc.

"Disregard" was probably the wrong description. Warnock does not engage personally with wider aspects of Sports Science (physiology, psychology, biomechanics, biochemistry and biokinetics), and said as much in a radio interview from a few years ago when he talked about how the modern game was passing him by, in this respect.

Warnock did not bring Dean Riddle to the club to "head up sports science", he hired him as "Head Strength and Conditioning Coach" (Fitness Coach to most of us). Fair play to Riddle for developing further into the field of Sports Science and, as you rightly point out, Blackwell brought him back to The Lane with more responsibility as "Performance Manager" and I suggest it is Blackwell, not Warnock, who is more engaged with Sports Science.

I agree, a "managers style might be more direct, motivational etc. doesn't mean they disregard modern techniques" and am not sure why you felt the need to state this in response to my post?

Bassett was always ahead of the game, looking for every possible edge, fitness and otherwise, as was Howard Wilkinson. Both favoured a "more direct" style of play and were forward thinkers.

 

[Borbokisfreekick]

"Disregard" was probably the wrong description. Warnock does not engage personally with wider aspects of Sports Science (physiology, psychology, biomechanics, biochemistry and biokinetics), and said as much in a radio interview from a few years ago when he talked about how the modern game was passing him by, in this respect.

Warnock did not bring Dean Riddle to the club to "head up sports science", he hired him as "Head Strength and Conditioning Coach" (Fitness Coach to most of us). Fair play to Riddle for developing further into the field of Sports Science and, as you rightly point out, Blackwell brought him back to The Lane with more responsibility as "Performance Manager" and I suggest it is Blackwell, not Warnock, who is more engaged with Sports Science.

I agree, a "managers style might be more direct, motivational etc. doesn't mean they disregard modern techniques" and am not sure why you felt the need to state this in response to my post?

Bassett was always ahead of the game, looking for every possible edge, fitness and otherwise, as was Howard Wilkinson. Both favoured a "more direct" style of play and were forward thinkers.

But its a sign of a good manager to bring in people who know more about a field than he does and to let them get on with it. You seemed to be using it as a negative to criticize Warnock, when in fact he brought in some of the best people in the industry to work in those fields. just because his job title was Head of Strength and Conditioning doesn't mean he didn't bring him into develop a sport science department. Which is exactly what he did. I had an internship there with him in 2002-2003. At the time we probably couldn't afford to employ multiple heads of departments, so Riddle covered all bases. Riddle was also instrumental in bringing in an Academy sports scientist and strength and conditioning coach during his time there.

The above was excellent management from Warnock in overseeing the recruitment of top quality staff and allowing them to focus on areas of the game he wasn't as educated in. As Warnock says in the interview, top managers (in every industry) delegate.

 

[Captain]

Warnocks a legend, a Blade and if he was manager of us right now we wouldn't be bobbing around in the third tier of English football with a shit squad tied into ridiculous contracts playing dull unadventurous football with a manager who can't see the wood for the trees.

 

[Esablade]

I've got a bit of a soft spot for Warnock, he's got a bit of a sense humour and gets results...Blackie, not so much, but he was right royally shat on from above after offering his resignation and being 'sweet-talked' into staying...only to be sacked three games in.

Madness I tell's thee...

 

[boo radley]

Neil Warnock, Kevin Blackwell, bibbedy-bobbedy-boo
Put them together and what have ya got..
A self-centred ego-maniac and an half decent bricklayer.

Straight in at No.1

What's yours?

I love non rhyming songs.

 

[Bladesince59]

Better than owt we have or have had since

 

[Mendi]

Bring them home Next Season.

 

[ShockingBadBuy]

Is Blackwell REALLY a good coach ? Irrespective of results, a lot of the football we played during his, ahem, "reign" was close to unwatchable for me. Said it before: Blackwell was a poor man's Warnock, and Adams followed that up by being a poor man's Blackwell. It's not only players we've replaced with poorer versions of their predecessors in recent years.

 

[Sheffsteel]

Shockingbadbuy,

Think you're being a bit unfair on Blackwell. For me his football was almost identical to Warnocks.

It's fast uptempo direct percentage football.

The quality is poor but when it works there are usually plenty of chances and goal mouth action which most of our fans prefer.

However when it doesn't work it's like watching long ball Wimbledon.

One of my memories of a Blackwell game was a night match home to high flying Wolves. We started off really well and should have been 3-0 up after 20 minutes then they go down the other end and score from their 1st attack: We proceed to create loads of chances looking for the deserved equaliser then they go down the other end to make it 2-0 which I think was the halftime score. We continue to play fast attacking positive football in the 2nd half but amazingly Wolves make it 3-0 and a total mockery of a scoreline.

We played really well but lose and the fans boo off the team and call for Blackwells head.

It's the age old argument, some of our fans don't mind us playing crap boring football every match if it means we win 1:0 however I prefer entertainment, positivity and goal chances even if it means we lose.

I remember another similar night game home to Scunthorpe when Wilson was manager. We played brilliantly and could have scored 10. Think we lost 2-3 with Scunnie only having 3 shots. We lost but I enjoyed the game and our performance.

 

[Silent Blade]

Shockingbadbuy,



I remember another similar night game home to Scunthorpe when Wilson was manager. We played brilliantly and could have scored 10. Think we lost 2-3 with Scunnie only having 3 shots. We lost but I enjoyed the game and our performance.

We lost 4-0 at home to Scunthorpe that night in 2010-11 season. Speed was the manager.

I remember dominating the 1st half at Elland Road in Sept 1974 but L**ds scored twice and Keith Eddy's penalty hit the post. We lost 5-1

 

[BushBlade]

Is Blackwell REALLY a good coach ? Irrespective of results, a lot of the football we played during his, ahem, "reign" was close to unwatchable for me. Said it before: Blackwell was a poor man's Warnock, and Adams followed that up by being a poor man's Blackwell. It's not only players we've replaced with poorer versions of their predecessors in recent years.

Yes. I think it's generally accepted in the game he's a good coach and assistant manager. The coach doesn't pick the team and isn't responsible for tactics, motivation/ man management or recruitment. They're the bits, IMO, he wasn't very good at.

 

[Sheffsteel]

Bush,

I think Blackwell probably is excellent with his tactics.

I remember several matches where we thought we had no chance and he'd ground out a stubborn 0-0 or a boring 1-0 win.

Remember our first match of the season away to one of the pre season favourites Cardiff.
Think we drew 1-1 and although we were poor we also made Cardiff look poor.

I think Blackwell lacks Warnocks charisma and charm.
Warnock can bollock a player when needed, fall out but then put his arm round him and use his charm to get him on side. I think Blackwell would bollock the player in the same manner but was never able to win them round with his charm.

Also Warnock had a sense of madness, hard skinned and loved himself
Bkackwell was a thoroughly decent bloke who wanted the best for SU but he looked totally stressed in his final weeks.

Daft as it sounds the sense of madness, hard skinned, positivity and loving himself can be applied to NA is that bit that Makes it easier for Nigel Adkins to handle the job at SU where the fans are (rightfully in this case) known to put managers under big pressure.

 

[BushBlade]

Bush,

I think Blackwell probably is excellent with his tactics.

I remember several matches where we thought we had no chance and he'd ground out a stubborn 0-0 or a boring 1-0 win.

Remember our first match of the season away to one of the pre season favourites Cardiff.
Think we drew 1-1 and although we were poor we also made Cardiff look poor.

I think Blackwell lacks Warnocks charisma and charm.
Warnock can bollock a player when needed, fall out but then put his arm round him and use his charm to get him on side. I think Blackwell would bollock the player in the same manner but was never able to win them round with his charm.

Also Warnock had a sense of madness, hard skinned and loved himself
Bkackwell was a thoroughly decent bloke who wanted the best for SU but he looked totally stressed in his final weeks.

Daft as it sounds the sense of madness, hard skinned, positivity and loving himself can be applied to NA is that bit that Makes it easier for Nigel Adkins to handle the job at SU where the fans are (rightfully in this case) known to put managers under big pressure.

Tbh mate, waste of time arguing with me about Blackwell. I will never change my opinion on him. My only comment is that with the money we had at the time, we were also pre season favourites.

Agree about Adkins though.