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Neil Warnock



Kevin Blackwell



Talks about his time at the Blades.
 



Mendi said:
Neil Warnock



Kevin Blackwell



Talks about his time at the Blades.
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Good interviews, got to respect Warnock for what he's done in the game and what he did for us. I also like Blackwell, nice bloke and a good coach.

What did annoy me in the Blackwell interview was when he said "30,000" Wednesdayites. Drives me crazy when people say they get 30K every week. just the other day I met some bloke and he asked where I was from, who I supported then said "oh Wednesday are a big club, they get 30,000 every game".....no they don't!! Just cus they have a big stadium doesn't mean they fill the thing.
 
The squash guy... a Sheffield Wednesday fan but an ambassador for Sheffield United.

Um, what?
 
Mendi said:
Neil Warnock



Kevin Blackwell



Talks about his time at the Blades.
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Thanks for posting this.

A couple of notable points from Blackwell:

1. "You got to know a player's strengths and weaknesses...it's no use asking a player to do something he's no good at and then having a go at him for not doing it."

One could argue that's tantamount to asking Blackwell to manage (weakness?) rather than coach (strength?).

2. Thinly veiled dig at Adkins: "I came to the pre-season game against Newcastle and they {Blades} had 42 pros. If you can't find 11 out of 42 it's (shakes head), you know what I mean...." Biggs challenges this and suggests it might be "better to find 11 out of 25." Blackwell: "Well you've got more options, that's for sure."

This is probably no great surprise, given Adkins and Warnock/Blackwell are almost polar opposites in approach to management:

Adkins: science and stats-focused, hard-working and hands-on, generally considered and diplomatic, uncritical of referees, overtly and, some would say, superficially positive

Warnock: disregards sports science, works Thursday-Saturday (as he did during his time at SUFC), does his best work 5 mins before KO and at half-time, emotional and impulsive, blames referee for almost every defeat.

It's an interesting interview. Blackwell comes across as a knowledgable coach and limited communicator - probably why he is such a good foil for Warnock.
 
The Bohemian said:
Thanks for posting this.

A couple of notable points from Blackwell:

1. "You got to know a player's strengths and weaknesses...it's no use asking a player to do something he's no good at and then having a go at him for not doing it."

One could argue that's tantamount to asking Blackwell to manage (weakness?) rather than coach (strength?).

2. Thinly veiled dig at Adkins: "I came to the pre-season game against Newcastle and they {Blades} had 42 pros. If you can't find 11 out of 42 it's (shakes head), you know what I mean...." Biggs challenges this and suggests it might be "better to find 11 out of 25." Blackwell: "Well you've got more options, that's for sure."

This is probably no great surprise, given Adkins and Warnock/Blackwell are almost polar opposites in approach to management:

Adkins: science and stats-focused, hard-working and hands-on, generally considered and diplomatic, uncritical of referees, overtly and, some would say, superficially positive

Warnock: disregards sports science, works Thursday-Saturday (as he did during his time at SUFC), does his best work 5 mins before KO and at half-time, emotional and impulsive, blames referee for almost every defeat.

It's an interesting interview. Blackwell comes across as a knowledgable coach and limited communicator - probably why he is such a good foil for Warnock.
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I agree with Blackwell's first point, they're adult footballers, not kids. The time for working on weaknesses has passed.

But as for his second comment, is he taking the fucking piss? He filled our squad with shit and wasted a huge amount of money. My response would be 'if you can't find players to get us up with the money you spent and the side you inherited... You know what I mean'. Good coach but a fucking useless manager.

Interestingly, Warnock also advocated giving all the players a fresh start when you come into a club.
 
Borbokisfreekick said:
Good interviews, got to respect Warnock for what he's done in the game and what he did for us. I also like Blackwell, nice bloke and a good coach.

What did annoy me in the Blackwell interview was when he said "30,000" Wednesdayites. Drives me crazy when people say they get 30K every week. just the other day I met some bloke and he asked where I was from, who I supported then said "oh Wednesday are a big club, they get 30,000 every game".....no they don't!! Just cus they have a big stadium doesn't mean they fill the thing.
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I think he meant 30'000'000, easy to get caught up in this "massive" bollocks. They have a massive stadium in the same way that I weigh more or less the same as Vladimir Klitscho, it still means fuck all when it boils down to it.
 
BushBlade said:
Interestingly, Warnock also advocated giving all the players a fresh start when you come into a club.
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That maybe what he says in public but that's never how he's actually operated. Which is fine, btw. He had very clear ideas of who he wanted out when he took over at the Lane.
 
LoughboroBlade said:
It's great rhetoric, but isn't that exactly what he did with Billy Sharp before ultimately selling him?
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Good point. He also signed Leon Britton, the most unsuitable cm for a long ball team ever and I've still no idea what he thought he was going to do with Evans when he tended to prefer 451.
 
secretchief said:
That maybe what he says in public but that's never how he's actually operated. Which is fine, btw. He had very clear ideas of who he wanted out when he took over at the Lane.
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Being a Blade you'd expect him to. Has he not done it Rotherham?
 



BushBlade said:
Being a Blade you'd expect him to. Has he not done it Rotherham?
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I'm not very up on it, actually. I'd be interested to know.

To be fair, in his biography he says he was convinced he was going to get rid of Murphy the second he arrived but Murphy's application persuaded him otherwise. He was pretty ruthless with Ribeiro though, as I think someone alluded to earlier today.
 
secretchief said:
I'm not very up on it, actually. I'd be interested to know.

To be fair, in his biography he says he was convinced he was going to get rid of Murphy the second he arrived but Murphy's application persuaded him otherwise. He was pretty ruthless with Ribeiro though, as I think someone alluded to earlier today.
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Lol, I should know that, I've read his book too. Good read but he does come across as someone who holds a grudge for a long time.
 
Blades Legend and a very good assistant manager / poor manager.

Great to see Sir Neil still at it.
 
I think the key to the 'clean slate' issue is the timing. It can work wonders for a new manager coming in mid-season to what in likelihood is a demoralised squad, but it's difficult to see the point of doing it in a pre-season.
 
LoughboroBlade said:
It's great rhetoric, but isn't that exactly what he did with Billy Sharp before ultimately selling him?
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Keith Gillespie's book does not paint Blackwell in a good light in terms of man management, particularly in relation to his handling of Sharp and Cotterill. I can't ever remember a United player saying a good word about him actually.
 
LoughboroBlade said:
A much better example – a signing where you wondered if Blackwell had ever seen him play.
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And renewed Monty's contract and played them together, starting the run of non scoring non assisting scrappy midgetry in midfield that with the exception of 2011-12 has continued to this day (this year, admittedly, they are taller but with no more end product).
 
Revolution said:
Keith Gillespie's book does not paint Blackwell in a good light in terms of man management, particularly in relation to his handling of Sharp and Cotterill. I can't ever remember a United player saying a good word about him actually.[/QU

I was going to make the same point re Blackwell and Gillespie. I'm sure Gillespie wasn't the easiest the manage but Warnock managed it when he brought him in and he did wonders and played a decent part of the promotion squad as well as doing well in the Premier League. My take on Warnock and Blackwell is this: Blackwell is the tactician but essentially not gifted in man management. Warnock is the opposite. Put them together and it works really well. Warnock still did well without Blackwell but not as well as he did with us. Blackwell has been indifferent as we al know. I remember seeing Shaun Derry by fluke once in Nottingham and he said that Warnock thought tactics were a type of sweet! He did add his motivation of players was second to none.

If Warnock goes somewhere without Blackwell next season I'd have my doubts, especially if its a Northern club as he is Southern based and will be leaving the day to day to his assistant.

I still like both of them and we owe them a lot. Saying that I have lost respect for Warnock as a Blade, after he flirted with the Pigs job.
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We could do with part 2 of these videos:

Neil Warnock:


Kevin Blackwell:
 
Made this point higher up but cocked it up! Re Gillespie. I'm sure Gillespie wasn't the easiest the manage but Warnock managed it when he brought him in and he did wonders and played a decent part of the promotion squad as well as doing well in the Premier League. My take on Warnock and Blackwell is this: Blackwell is the tactician but essentially not gifted in man management. Warnock is the opposite. Put them together and it works really well. Warnock still did well without Blackwell but not as well as he did with us. Blackwell has been indifferent as we al know. I remember seeing Shaun Derry by fluke once in Nottingham and he said that Warnock thought tactics were a type of sweet! He did add his motivation of players was second to none.

If Warnock goes somewhere without Blackwell next season I'd have my doubts, especially if its a Northern club as he is Southern based and will be leaving the day to day to his assistant.

I still like both of them and we owe them a lot. Saying that I have lost respect for Warnock as a Blade, after he flirted with the Pigs job.

I'll add this from before. I can't believe Blackwell criticising Adkins when Adkins record is so much better than Blackwell it's untrue! Listening to the Blackwell interview he's even more arrogant than Warnock, but at least Warnock has the promotions to back it up! Blackwell should stick to been a coach and leave it there! When he talks about management appointments they will have been in League 2 I would have thought, That said, I wrote him a letter once actually supporting him and I have to say he did write a long letter back, and that was nice, but my views on him remain that he is a limited manager, but a very good coach.
 
Booker4 said:
Made this point higher up but cocked it up! Re Gillespie. I'm sure Gillespie wasn't the easiest the manage but Warnock managed it when he brought him in and he did wonders and played a decent part of the promotion squad as well as doing well in the Premier League. My take on Warnock and Blackwell is this: Blackwell is the tactician but essentially not gifted in man management. Warnock is the opposite. Put them together and it works really well. Warnock still did well without Blackwell but not as well as he did with us. Blackwell has been indifferent as we al know. I remember seeing Shaun Derry by fluke once in Nottingham and he said that Warnock thought tactics were a type of sweet! He did add his motivation of players was second to none.

If Warnock goes somewhere without Blackwell next season I'd have my doubts, especially if its a Northern club as he is Southern based and will be leaving the day to day to his assistant.

I still like both of them and we owe them a lot. Saying that I have lost respect for Warnock as a Blade, after he flirted with the Pigs job.

I'll add this from before. I can't believe Blackwell criticising Adkins when Adkins record is so much better than Blackwell it's untrue! Listening to the Blackwell interview he's even more arrogant than Warnock, but at least Warnock has the promotions to back it up! Blackwell should stick to been a coach and leave it there! When he talks about management appointments they will have been in League 2 I would have thought, That said, I wrote him a letter once actually supporting him and I have to say he did write a long letter back, and that was nice, but my views on him remain that he is a limited manager, but a very good coach.
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Sorry, I've been trying to hold back but I'm in a belligerent mood today. He's fucking useless as a manager. He can coach, I'll give him that, but his man management and recruitment is truly woeful. He has no idea how to run a club successfully and every club he's managed has gone down after he left. His scattergun approach cost our club a huge amount of wasted money and our place in the championship. Speed, and then Adams, had as little chance of sorting out the shit he left as Adkins has had with what Clough left him.
And his interview shows his lack of professionalism and integrity.
 
BushBlade said:
Sorry, I've been trying to hold back but I'm in a belligerent mood today. He's fucking useless as a manager. He can coach, I'll give him that, but his man management and recruitment is truly woeful. He has no idea how to run a club successfully and every club he's managed has gone down after he left. His scattergun approach cost our club a huge amount of wasted money and our place in the championship. Speed, and then Adams, had as little chance of sorting out the shit he left as Adkins has had with what Clough left him.
And his interview shows his lack of professionalism and integrity.
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Exactly.

"Can't find 11 out of 42."

Classy.
 
BushBlade said:
Sorry, I've been trying to hold back but I'm in a belligerent mood today. He's fucking useless as a manager. He can coach, I'll give him that, but his man management and recruitment is truly woeful. He has no idea how to run a club successfully and every club he's managed has gone down after he left. His scattergun approach cost our club a huge amount of wasted money and our place in the championship. Speed, and then Adams, had as little chance of sorting out the shit he left as Adkins has had with what Clough left him.
And his interview shows his lack of professionalism and integrity.
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Harsher assessment than I would give but I agree that he made some expensive signings, but I'll say this: McCabe and not Blackwell were the main reason we got relegated, because sacking a manager three games in, having given Blackwell all summer to recruit for the forthcoming season was total madness. Blackwell deserved more time than that and I never thought Speed was the right man. Too big a risk for a rookie manager.

Blackwell left a decent squad in my view that totally underachieved under Speed and Adams. When you think the squad contained Ched, Lowton, Quinn, Williamson, Monty, Cresswell etc. There's enough quality to have stayed up there and it just goes to show that changing manager so often doesn't always pay off.

I disagree with Blackwell in his assessment of this season under Adkins and as you say it comes across poorly to be that critical when he hasn't succeeded as much as he rates himself, and irrespective of that if he was manager I'm fairly sure we would be no better off.Its all well and good having 42 players but they have to be, out of those 42, 5 or 6 quality ones and there wasn't/isn't. The only exceptions are Brayford and Basham (on a good day Coutts) and Brayford has underperformed. Out of the 42 about 13 were young pro's so its not quite as quality as some make out from the outside.
 
Let's be reet, Colin and Blacky are a very poor man's 'Clough & Taylor', although I'd imagine owd Colin would see himself as at least on a par with Cloughy.

Not much of a fan of Colin, Blacky or Adkins but I've got no doubt whatsoever if Colin and Blacky had had the same squad as Adkins for a season they'd have had better results and the team playing a lot more effectively.
 



[QUOTE="The Bohemian, post: 982965, member: 5537"

Warnock: disregards sports science, works Thursday-Saturday (as he did during his time at SUFC), does his best work 5 mins before KO and at half-time, emotional and impulsive, blames referee for almost every defeat..[/QUOTE]

That's Utter nonsense regarding Warnock and just a lazy stereotype.

Warlocks doesn't disregard sports science, and neither did Blackwell. Warnock brought Dean Riddle to the club to head up sports science when he was here - Riddle is one of the leading sports scientists in the world and is now at Seattle Seahawks. He was one of the first to use GPS technology to aid in player performance, and where did he do that??..at Sheffield united under Warnock.

When Blackwell returned to the lane one off the first things he did was bring Riddle back.

Just because a managers style might be more direct, motivational etc. doesn't mean they disregard modern techniques. If anything Warnock embraced those things to try and get an extra edge due to a small budget.

Bassett was the same. He was one of the first managers to implement specific fitness trainers, nutritionalist etc.
 
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