My West Ham mate

[RossoDeltic]

I played for Yorkshire deaf in the 1980s but dont recall Alan Phelan.

He might have developed hearing issues as he got older.

 

[Greasy Chap Butty]

They all seem fond of drinking, but what language do you converse in because I have had around 7 years of Hungarian clients who I have had to understand or acquire translation services for and it's the most difficult language I have ever encountered. Even Turkish has a Germanic root.

Is Hungarian the one that isn't linked to any other language? Where most have Latin / Spanish / French / German parts , Hungarian is just Hungarian?

 

[Silent Blade]

They all seem fond of drinking, but what language do you converse in because I have had around 7 years of Hungarian clients who I have had to understand or acquire translation services for and it's the most difficult language I have ever encountered. Even Turkish has a Germanic root.

This friend, Zoltan is fluent in International sign language and so do some of the Hungarians I know. I remember in July 2018 guiding the Hungarian chess squad from Manchester airport to the hotel they were staying at, a lady kept asking me questions in Hungarian sign language which I couldnt understand so an official of the Hungarian party had to step in to translate from HSL to ISL and kept reminding the lady (she was always asking questions!) throughout the tournament that none of the organising committee would understand HSL.

 

[Silent Blade]

Is Hungarian the one that isn't linked to any other language? Where most have Latin / Spanish / French / German parts , Hungarian is just Hungarian?

I was told that there are similarities between Finnish and Hungarian language? I was told that when I was at Vezprem in 1990

 

[VictoryBlade]

It is a social thing. I have played chess for hearing clubs (AGD at Chesterfield from 1982 to early 1990s, also in summer 1998 I attended Chesterfield Chess club every week as I needed training for going to play in a tournament at Lucerne in August). The players at the club are decent people but when it comes to conversations it isn't the same as when I am playing for Sheffield Deaf where for me, the conversations and drinking together , it is a lot more flowing as we understand each other easily. I have played cricket for Taverners (in Chesterfield) and for Dronfield Contact also for my work but I have always preferred playing for Sheffield Deaf and it was the same when I was playing football. Luckily for me from 1979 to 1997, both Sheffield Deaf football (although I stopped playing regularly in mid 1980s) and cricket (I stopped in 1997) played in local leagues but the number of available players decrease when the club is knocked out of the British Deaf Cup and we usually struggle to have enough players for the rest of the season in the Friendlies League football matches, and it was the same in the Norton and Sheffield cricket leagues. When I was the football secretary for Sheffield Deaf I would write letters to Maltby MW and Farsley Celtic asking for permission for Brian Green and Steve Hardwick (RIP) to play for Sheffield Deaf in Bristish Deaf Cup matches as both Brian and Steve love playing in Deaf Cups or at a deaf tournament in Europe. It is the same with chess the Sheffield Deaf players are more interested in playing in European deaf team tournaments or at invitation tournaments than playing in the Sheffield League because we think socializing with the opponents after matches are a lot better for us. You may have been at pubs where there is a group of deaf people socializing together in one area?

Ah hello I lived in Chezzvegas for a while loved it (duck)

 

[VictoryBlade]

Sorry I meant to say I'm an exile in Manchester now lol

 

[Grappler]

I was told that there are similarities between Finnish and Hungarian language? I was told that when I was at Vezprem in 1990

Correct, Finnish and Hungarian share a common root. I think Finnish settlers went to that region hundreds (or more) years ago. Hungarian, as has been said, is nothing like any other language in Eastern Europe.

 

[Silent Blade]

He might have developed hearing issues as he got older.

Not many deafened people play in deaf sports.

Cliff Bastin (who held Arsenal's scoring record until Ian Wright broke it) became deafened during his footballing career but carried on playing for Arsenal and England. WW2 started when he was 27 but he was excused military service after failing a hearing test.

 

[Grappler]

Years back, I was sat on the bus, and there was two deaf guys further down. It was fascinating to see them chatting away to each other in sign language. Funny thing was, when one got off and was on the footpath, they could just carry on talking through the bus window!

I was once on a train journey, back from Manchester, and an old man got on, with a young girl. They stuck out like a sore thumb, because he was traditional tweed type jacket, shirt, tie, flat cap, and she was bright blue (I think) spiky hair, punky style clothes. He sat next to me, at a table, and she sat opposite him. It was apparent that he was blind, because she had to lead him to his seat.

When he sat down, he put his arm out, elbow on the table, palm facing up, and the young girl starting touching parts of his hand, fingers etc.

He suddenly answered her in a proper northern accent, and I realised he was deaf as well, and she was using a type of sign language, well not sign, but you know what I mean.

The whole train journey she never said a word, but just touched parts of his hand and he would burst out laughing and say something funny about when he was a young lad.

I don't know what questions she was asking him, but it was obviously about when he was younger, or train journeys in the past, stuff like that.

What struck me (and to be honest, humbled me) was that this old lad seemed so happy, just smiling and laughing at what she was saying to him.

Must admit I got off that train and thought to myself, "what on earth have I got to moan about".

I often think of him when I am feeling hard done to.

 

[Silent Blade]

I was once on a train journey, back from Manchester, and an old man got on, with a young girl. They stuck out like a sore thumb, because he was traditional tweed type jacket, shirt, tie, flat cap, and she was bright blue (I think) spiky hair, punky style clothes. He sat next to me, at a table, and she sat opposite him. It was apparent that he was blind, because she had to lead him to his seat.

When he sat down, he put his arm out, elbow on the table, palm facing up, and the young girl starting touching parts of his hand, fingers etc.

He suddenly answered her in a proper northern accent, and I realised he was deaf as well, and she was using a type of sign language, well not sign, but you know what I mean.

The whole train journey she never said a word, but just touched parts of his hand and he would burst out laughing and say something funny about when he was a young lad.

I don't know what questions she was asking him, but it was obviously about when he was younger, or train journeys in the past, stuff like that.

What struck me (and to be honest, humbled me) was that this old lad seemed so happy, just smiling and laughing at what she was saying to him.

Must admit I got off that train and thought to myself, "what on earth have I got to moan about".

I often think of him when I am feeling hard done to.

Deaf-blind sign language has a lot of fingerspelling. A girl who was in my class at boarding school became blind in later life and I spoke to her in deaf-blind sign language at a reunion which surprised my wife (who did some deaf-blind sign language training as she was considering on being a carer to an old lady) as she has never seen me use deaf-blind language to anyone.

 

[Greasy Chap Butty]

I was once on a train journey, back from Manchester, and an old man got on, with a young girl. They stuck out like a sore thumb, because he was traditional tweed type jacket, shirt, tie, flat cap, and she was bright blue (I think) spiky hair, punky style clothes. He sat next to me, at a table, and she sat opposite him. It was apparent that he was blind, because she had to lead him to his seat.

When he sat down, he put his arm out, elbow on the table, palm facing up, and the young girl starting touching parts of his hand, fingers etc.

He suddenly answered her in a proper northern accent, and I realised he was deaf as well, and she was using a type of sign language, well not sign, but you know what I mean.

The whole train journey she never said a word, but just touched parts of his hand and he would burst out laughing and say something funny about when he was a young lad.

I don't know what questions she was asking him, but it was obviously about when he was younger, or train journeys in the past, stuff like that.

What struck me (and to be honest, humbled me) was that this old lad seemed so happy, just smiling and laughing at what she was saying to him.

Must admit I got off that train and thought to myself, "what on earth have I got to moan about".

I often think of him when I am feeling hard done to.

Fantastic. Yes, we forget sometimes what we've got. Also shows the inventiveness and adaptability of people, communicating so well when at first you would have imagined it impossible,

 

[Greasy Chap Butty]

Deaf-blind sign language has a lot of fingerspelling. A girl who was in my class at boarding school became blind in later life and I spoke to her in deaf-blind sign language at a reunion which surprised my wife (who did some deaf-blind sign language training as she was considering on being a carer to an old lady) as she has never seen me use deaf-blind language to anyone.

I hope your Mrs realised what you were doing when she saw you stroking another womans hand!

 

[Geordie Blade]

Fascinating stuff! I saw something on Only Connect a few weeks ago where Victoria Coren Mitchell said that there are sign language equivalents of tongue twisters, called ‘thumb fumblers’. It would be great if signing was taught more widely at all schools so that we all had at least the basics.

Something I’ve always wondered - is there a way to show sarcasm in sign language?

 

[cc1]

He played in South Riding and was Chairman for many years. I first played against him in about 1986 when I was 15. Not sure how old he was when he packed in. He played for someone like Eckington or the team that became Outakumpo

He was on the committee for years, syscl as it is now

 

[Silent Blade]

Something I’ve always wondered - is there a way to show sarcasm in sign language?

Yes, similar to what you see in silent films

 

[Greasy Chap Butty]

Fascinating stuff! I saw something on Only Connect a few weeks ago where Victoria Coren Mitchell said that there are sign language equivalents of tongue twisters, called ‘thumb fumblers’. It would be great if signing was taught more widely at all schools so that we all had at least the basics.

Something I’ve always wondered - is there a way to show sarcasm in sign language?

Our kids used to sign at primary school in songs. Not taught as such, but gives them at least an early awareness.

 

[RossoDeltic]

He was on the committee for years, syscl as it is now

He was indeed. He was President when I did my stint on the Committee

 

[Deleted member 1486]

It is a social thing. I have played chess for hearing clubs (AGD at Chesterfield from 1982 to early 1990s, also in summer 1998 I attended Chesterfield Chess club every week as I needed training for going to play in a tournament at Lucerne in August). The players at the club are decent people but when it comes to conversations it isn't the same as when I am playing for Sheffield Deaf where for me, the conversations and drinking together , it is a lot more flowing as we understand each other easily. I have played cricket for Taverners (in Chesterfield) and for Dronfield Contact also for my work but I have always preferred playing for Sheffield Deaf and it was the same when I was playing football. Luckily for me from 1979 to 1997, both Sheffield Deaf football (although I stopped playing regularly in mid 1980s) and cricket (I stopped in 1997) played in local leagues but the number of available players decrease when the club is knocked out of the British Deaf Cup and we usually struggle to have enough players for the rest of the season in the Friendlies League football matches, and it was the same in the Norton and Sheffield cricket leagues. When I was the football secretary for Sheffield Deaf I would write letters to Maltby MW and Farsley Celtic asking for permission for Brian Green and Steve Hardwick (RIP) to play for Sheffield Deaf in Bristish Deaf Cup matches as both Brian and Steve love playing in Deaf Cups or at a deaf tournament in Europe. It is the same with chess the Sheffield Deaf players are more interested in playing in European deaf team tournaments or at invitation tournaments than playing in the Sheffield League because we think socializing with the opponents after matches are a lot better for us. You may have been at pubs where there is a group of deaf people socializing together in one area?

My youngest loves chess. He's 7 now, but been playing since he was 5. He just "got" chess the instant he started playing it (in a way my older kids just didn't; it never really interested them). He's not tactically astute (probably because he learned from me ), but he's always asking for a game, knows how all the pieces move and you can see that he understands why he's just lost a game (and is improving constantly).

I like to set up little chess puzzles on a board, and he understands the end-game concepts.

TBH, until I read your post, it never occurred to me that there might be clubs out there for kids (he's not deaf by the way). Any idea how someone would go about finding local clubs for kids of his age? (if they still exist? or has it all moved online these days?)

 

[Sean Thornton]

Kinell SB, you wouldn't have thought that was so complicated to sort out, but when you really think about how every language developed it must be a nightmare.



Ever had to communicate with a Hungarian?

3rd April 1987. Poached eggs on toast for breakfast. Brown suit, red tie, blue shirt, brown underpants, cream border, matching vest, yellow socks, ox blood dockers.
DB Taxi 2 minutes 28 seconds late, Train 1 minute 8 seconds late, Eddie Colquhouns motor spares shop only opened until 1pm, half day closing, Billy McEwan still useless.

Still corresponds with Florian.

Chess moves continued page 94.








(Only kidding Peter )

 

[Sean Thornton]

Fantastic. Yes, we forget sometimes what we've got. Also shows the inventiveness and adaptability of people, communicating so well when at first you would have imagined it impossible,

Many many years ago l spent the early New Years Eve talking to an old almost blind Scots guy who was sat on his own in the Red Lion which used to be behind the City Hall. We got talking and he reminisced about his boyhood in Glasgow, all good despite coming from the tenements and the flute bands etc. ( never mentioned religion or football) His face lit up as he told the stories that he could clearly see in his mind, his memories. I could have listened to him all night but his taxi came before midnight.

 

[Silent Blade]

My youngest loves chess. He's 7 now, but been playing since he was 5. He just "got" chess the instant he started playing it (in a way my older kids just didn't; it never really interested them). He's not tactically astute (probably because he learned from me ), but he's always asking for a game, knows how all the pieces move and you can see that he understands why he's just lost a game (and is improving constantly).

I like to set up little chess puzzles on a board, and he understands the end-game concepts.

TBH, until I read your post, it never occurred to me that there might be clubs out there for kids (he's not deaf by the way). Any idea how someone would go about finding local clubs for kids of his age? (if they still exist? or has it all moved online these days?)

Here is a link to chess clubs who play in the Sheffield League. Not sure why SASCA (Sheffield All Schools Chess Association) isnt in the list although they still do play in the league. Their club nights are usually on Mondays and the venue is Ecclesall Juniors school. Will contact the League secretary for the 2019/20 details

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[CarlMcBlade]

Is this thread the ultimate oxymoron?

 

[cc1]

Many many years ago l spent the early New Years Eve talking to an old almost blind Scots guy who was sat on his own in the Red Lion which used to be behind the City Hall. We got talking and he reminisced about his boyhood in Glasgow, all good despite coming from the tenements and the flute bands etc. ( never mentioned religion or football) His face lit up as he told the stories that he could clearly see in his mind, his memories. I could have listened to him all night but his taxi came before midnight.

Used to be a staple of Saturday nights in the red lion. Rest of town was 8 deep at the bar whilst we would get happily pissed in red lion then move on to hot pants for inevitable failure on the pull but great nights nevertheless.

Who knows where the time goes.

 

[Cerberus Blade]

The sign for Arsenal is the left hand on left breast. The fist is clenched apart from the index finger which points towards the right making it look like a gunner.

fascinating! I would have guessed an “o” shape on the bum cheeks, but there you go! What about the Blades then? That’s got to be two fingers crossed on the heart and a thumbs-up, surely?

 

[Silent Blade]

Here is a link to chess clubs who play in the Sheffield League. Not sure why SASCA (Sheffield All Schools Chess Association) isnt in the list although they still do play in the league. Their club nights are usually on Mondays and the venue is Ecclesall Juniors school. Will contact the League secretary for the 2019/20 details

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Hi Flawed , the Club Info page got updated this morning by the league secretary after I emailed him. SASCA club details are now in. Speak to either John Arnott or Steve Gibbs if the club still run coaching sessions for schoolchildren on Mondays at Ecclesall Juniors. It is usually organized by John Fryer (a lovely chap) but I think he may have stopped doing the organizing and I am not sure if someone has taken his place.

 

[Cerberus Blade]

Genuine question: is it possible to shout in sign language? (I know it’s possible when typing, you just leave the caps lock on!).

 

[Silent Blade]

fascinating! I would have guessed an “o” shape on the bum cheeks, but there you go! What about the Blades then? That’s got to be two fingers crossed on the heart and a thumbs-up, surely?

Sign for Blades is using your thumb to "shave" your face.

Sign for Sheffield is similar to the below photo but not exactly the same. The below photo is the sign for "F". Instead of two fingers laying down on the other two fingers, move both your hands sideways and the two fingers slightly rubbing each other to make it look like you are using knifes and forks to eat your meal.

United is just using the letter U as seen below

 

[Cerberus Blade]

That’s fantastic SB! It’s a real education for me (and others) to learn something about this. I think you’re an amazing bloke, not just for this, but for your encyclopaedic knowledge of the Blades.

You should try to get yourself on Mastermind. Specialist subject “Sheffield United FC”. And don’t worry if your general knowledge isn’t up to scratch. You can do as dem Blades do, and “pass”, “pass”, “pass”.

I’ve used my thumb to shave my face many times, but unless my nails are long and finely honed it doesn’t give a close shave.

The Sheffield sign I get. But I can’t for the life of me see a letter “U” in the picture below!

I don’t think I’d be much good at this!

 

[Isar]

I was told that there are similarities between Finnish and Hungarian language? I was told that when I was at Vezprem in 1990

That is also what I was told, my dads family are Hungarian and it is a really tough language to learn.

 

[Blade for Sale]

Genuine question: is it possible to shout in sign language? (I know it’s possible when typing, you just leave the caps lock on!).

You have to wear a massive pair of gloves.