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Maybe the 'could get worse' comment is to ease us into the Baxter news.
 
Defending the performance against Bury, really !! the supporters that went booed the team described it as crap commentators agreed but NA said it was acceptable. This guy is unbelievable if he actually believes the stuff he comes out with we are in trouble.
 
Taramasalata said:
Goes with what has been heard from within the club...unless he comes out and slates the biard, adkins is safe, he will be allowed to rebuilc in the summer, those causing the trouble he is still playing as whats the alterbative but once season done....they will be gone..they will be given no option, move or paid off...

he is not going to be given a largd budget but tgere is a list of 7 players he aants, mainly young players from this and division 4...

people need to remember the really bad days..port vale anyone...kozzy crossing straight into the kop..colin and millwall at home...blackwell, take your pick, little mickey adams
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Does the 'planning for the next three years' comment mean that Adkins has been told that no matter how dreadfully he and his team perform, his job is completely safe?
 
jt64 said:
He's not even had the worst inheritance of SUFC managers called Nigel
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Disagree, Clough couldn't have gone wrong in his first season with the quality of players at his disposal and the league position. Any manager of any note would have assured safety. Analyse the way he built his own squad and the tools he had to do it.
 
nopigfansintown said:
Disagree, Clough couldn't have gone wrong in his first season with the quality of players at his disposal and the league position. Any manager of any note would have assured safety. Analyse the way he built his own squad and the tools he had to do it.
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So Clough has a team in freefall playing like dogshit necessitating an incredibly quick sacking, and Adkins has a team that is one centre back off the playoff finals.
 
Ricky said:
I'd hope they wouldn't even be allowed to train with the kids. They'd only be a bad influence.

The best thing to do would be to fuck them off altogether - even if we are paying them. Let them rot so they lose their fitness and have a mountain to climb at their new clubs if they're lucky enough to get one.

The board could possibly have a problem with that but if there's no use for them whatsoever, if it would be worse if they stay around the training ground, if we'd have to pay them as much to terminate their contracts then there's really no reason not to cast them aside completely is there?
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Fair comment, I suspect there is some legal reason why you can't stop them training and other clubs, Wolves being the most well known example, have made them train with the youth team players. I guess so they're not dedicating a coach to them.

In the old days you could dump wrong 'uns in the reserves but we don't have them any more.

I certainly wouldn't have them training with the first team, spewing their fucking bile over the place, undermining me at every opportunity.
 
nopigfansintown said:
Adkins has had the worst inheritance of perhaps any SUFC manager. If he turns this ship around it'd be his biggest achievement. This should've been the message in the summer - but then the board would've borne the brunt.
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Random thoughts:

Isn't it blindingly obvious that

Adkins' remit was promotion and attacking football
we tried this at the start of the season
it wasn't succeeding
we've tried steadying the ship with attritional football
needed to get wins for promotion
loosening up has led to defeats

Now it makes sense to talk publicly about (and accept) long term planning.

Any announcement of long term planning at the start of the season would have been derided.

I do think some kind of public announcement would help.

But what to say?

I can't decide if we should give up on promotion and start on the future. The Bury performance makes it look as though we might not even be able to make the play offs.

Do we fight tooth and nail for it and hope to scrape in?

Or start on the future now?

I think we should do what we can till it's arithmetically impossible and then start on the future.

Really though I imagine some targets have been lined up for the summer for either contingency, Division 2 or Division 3.

So a strong public announcement of our plans from the club. Adkins mentions promotion a lot so it's not like they're silent on it, but maybe it needs to come from higher up.
 
I'd have given Clough another season but without the substantial backing he wanted he'd have been sacked by now imo.Fans don't want to hear words like expectation management or transition, but that should've been the approach. The fans will probably (understandably) hound this manager out and the serious structural problems at SUFC will be ignored for yet another year.
 



William Henry Foulkes said:
Random thoughts:

Isn't it blindingly obvious that

Adkins' remit was promotion and attacking football
we tried this at the start of the season
it wasn't succeeding
we've tried steadying the ship with attritional football
needed to get wins for promotion
loosening up has led to defeats

Now it makes sense to talk publicly about (and accept) long term planning.

Any announcement of long term planning at the start of the season would have been derided.

I do think some kind of public announcement would help.

But what to say?

I can't decide if we should give up on promotion and start on the future. The Bury performance makes it look as though we might not even be able to make the play offs.

Do we fight tooth and nail for it and hope to scrape in?

Or start on the future now?

I think we should do what we can till it's arithmetically impossible and then start on the future.

Really though I imagine some targets have been lined up for the summer for either contingency, Division 2 or Division 3.

So a strong public announcement of our plans from the club. Adkins mentions promotion a lot so it's not like they're silent on it, but maybe it needs to come from higher up.
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I hope you're right about forward planning our recruitment but history suggests we won't have.
 
Ricky said:
I'd hope they wouldn't even be allowed to train with the kids. They'd only be a bad influence.

The best thing to do would be to fuck them off altogether - even if we are paying them. Let them rot so they lose their fitness and have a mountain to climb at their new clubs if they're lucky enough to get one.

The board could possibly have a problem with that but if there's no use for them whatsoever, if it would be worse if they stay around the training ground, if we'd have to pay them as much to terminate their contracts then there's really no reason not to cast them aside completely is there?
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I would be more than happy that once we are 100% safe for the club to turn around to said players and suspend them until the end of the season if there is no other way. That gives the manager a chance to send a message out to the fans exactly what's been going off and who the tossers are.

The end of the season can't some quick enough, can't wait to see the list of players released.
 
jt64 said:
So Clough has a team in freefall playing like dogshit necessitating an incredibly quick sacking, and Adkins has a team that is one centre back off the playoff finals.
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William Henry Foulkes said:
Random thoughts:

Isn't it blindingly obvious that

Adkins' remit was promotion and attacking football
we tried this at the start of the season
it wasn't succeeding
we've tried steadying the ship with attritional football
needed to get wins for promotion
loosening up has led to defeats

Now it makes sense to talk publicly about (and accept) long term planning.

Any announcement of long term planning at the start of the season would have been derided.

I do think some kind of public announcement would help.

But what to say?

I can't decide if we should give up on promotion and start on the future. The Bury performance makes it look as though we might not even be able to make the play offs.

Do we fight tooth and nail for it and hope to scrape in?

Or start on the future now?

I think we should do what we can till it's arithmetically impossible and then start on the future.

Really though I imagine some targets have been lined up for the summer for either contingency, Division 2 or Division 3.

So a strong public announcement of our plans from the club. Adkins mentions promotion a lot so it's not like they're silent on it, but maybe it needs to come from higher up.
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I understand what your saying, but the board have given their manager unrealistic expectation. He's their human shield.
 
Wards said:
Just listening to his interview now and it's really good - Andy Giddings digs into him a bit and Adkins gives it back quite well. He sounds quite genuine for a change.
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Yeah he was quite honest and straight down the line.

Id rather that we just wrote this season off though and started to plan for next season.
 
Superblades said:
I would be more than happy that once we are 100% safe for the club to turn around to said players and suspend them until the end of the season if there is no other way. That gives the manager a chance to send a message out to the fans exactly what's been going off and who the tossers are.

The end of the season can't some quick enough, can't wait to see the list of players released.
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The nagging feeling I have is we'll offer some of them contract extensions :-(
 
If this squad goes up then we would come back down with fewer than 20 points next season. We'd also get battered by Los Porcos. No thanks.

On that Adkins interview - he's furious. Major squad changes on the horizon.
 
west_yorks_blade said:
What exactly could get worse?

The level of effort?

The performances?

Fitness levels?

Hammonds unseen work?

Adkins excuses for mediocrity?
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"The club is happy to confirm that they've signed Marlon King and Ched Evans until the end of the season. Dean Hammond will also be joining in the summer on a 5 year deal with Neil Collins, Jose Baxter, Ryan Flynn, Mark Howard signing 2 year contract extensions. James Wallace will be named club captain. Mark McNulty will be in charge of team entertainment."
 
robbiez666 said:
"The club is happy to confirm that they've signed Marlon King and Ched Evans until the end of the season. Dean Hammond will also be joining in the summer on a 5 year deal with Neil Collins, Jose Baxter, Ryan Flynn, Mark Howard signing 2 year contract extensions. James Wallace will be named club captain. Mark McNulty will be in charge of team entertainment."
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Marlon King and ched Evans being led astray by mcnulty and Baxter.

It would be debauchery on a scale not seen since the decline of the Roman Empire. They'd be humping drugged up horses on the half way line while Long singlehandedly tried to keep 11 men from scoring.
 
nopigfansintown said:
I understand what your saying, but the board have given their manager unrealistic expectation. He's their human shield.
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Reading not very deeply between the lines Adkins was appointed with a remit of promotion and attacking football, neither of which Clough was able to provide.

As several high scoring (mainly.by the opposition) home defeats demonstrated we can't do both.

Promotion (by 1-0 win) became the priority.

Turns out it looks increasingly unlikely we can't manage that either.

I think it has to be the aim though till it's no longer possible and that aim should be stated clearly by the club.

Sounds daft saying we should have more communication from the club but right now I think a clear statement is needed.

The board appointed and backed Adkins financially. Not recruiting in the JTW looks like the biggest failure.

The only reasonable (I didn't say plausible) explanation is SCMP restrictions mean we couldn't sign permanently a player or players good enough to go straight into the first team and make a difference.

Which is a long winded way of saying I don't think it's the Board's fault in any simple sense.
 
William Henry Foulkes said:
Reading not very deeply between the lines Adkins was appointed with a remit of promotion and attacking football, neither of which Clough was able to provide.

As several high scoring (mainly.by the opposition) home defeats demonstrated we can't do both.

Promotion (by 1-0 win) became the priority.

Turns out it looks increasingly unlikely we can't manage that either.

I think it has to be the aim though till it's no longer possible and that aim should be stated clearly by the club.

Sounds daft saying we should have more communication from the club but right now I think a clear statement is needed.

The board appointed and backed Adkins financially. Not recruiting in the JTW looks like the biggest failure.

The only reasonable (I didn't say plausible) explanation is SCMP restrictions mean we couldn't sign permanently a player or players good enough to go straight into the first team and make a difference.

Which is a long winded way of saying I don't think it's the Board's fault in any simple sense.
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Agree with almost all of your analysis. I just think we should've started building earlier whilst the board took the flak, giving Adkins breathing room to give youngsters more chances and get rid of dross. He also maybe could've signed a youngster or two instead of the old guard he's brought in. Almost every decision the blades make is reactive rather than proactive. Hopefully his excellent statement today is the end of it.
 
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Giddings doing a good job in getting under his skin. For me, there's a bit more than the usual superficial non-commital manager speak and rallying and a bit more honest consideration of the mess we are in.

The key points were:

Attacking third, quality wasn’t good enough.

Got to get Recruitment right

Create a blueprint so (fans) are proud of how we play

He’s spoken to the owners this week

Mid table not good enough

May be more pain

Players wondering about futures, those out of contract need to be fighting, they are measured in the arena

Loans: wait for the right person

Have to go for wins (not mentioned the numbers this time but we'll need the equivalent of 10 wins from 15 games. I personally can't see where they will come from but he's right not to throw the towel in yet)

We need to start brightly and have a positive atmosphere on Saturday and look to win the game. Do basics well to an elite level
 
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