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Its interesting reading some of the comments on here. Two things were very clear with Mousse and they perhaps shouldn't be confused:
1. Injuries - He suffered injuries pretty much from that first friendly (i think it was Matlock) and there has to be some sympathy for that. He's come back only to get another injury. On the face of it, its very unlucky. But, regardless, he's had a tough time with them and I had conversation recently with a pro rugby player that suffered similar.

Mentally it can destroy a player when the sport is all they've known since they were a kid. To then keep breaking down with Injuries time and time again, its not easy. McBurnie mentioned something similar recently before his latest injury. He said that he was just getting right and then he was sick the night before a game. But there was no way he was missing the game. I don't know what support the players get for the mental health side, but that can be something which should be as important as physio. Especially if a player is without a proper support network in the city.

However, it should be clear that injuries alone aren't a reason to accuse a player of "stealing a wage" or other such phrases.

2. Attitude - There is no doubting that Mousse had a poor attitude to keeping himself in shape. His weight has fluctuated during his time and for that, there is nobody but himself to blame. That can only be attributed to a poor attitude to his diet/ nutrition and/ or gym work.

I know the PT that started working with Mousse just before he left and Mousse put the work in when he needed to. We've also seen the 6 pack pics. That level of commitment in a short space of time can be as frustrating to fans as a player that doesn't ever do anything. Because we know that he can put the work in.

Mousse, under Wilder seemed to thrive with the arm around the shoulder, Wilder knew how to handle him and get the best out of him, if only for short spells. Slav wasn't that sort of manager, he was a coach and perhaps didn't motivate the players the same. Mousse, like many players relies on others to motivate and challenge him.

Sadly for Mousse, by the time Hecky took over, he'd used all of his 9 lives at the club, no chance of making any of the fee back and its ultimately disappointing when we've seen some of his offield antics for him to then just disappear. He's not like some players, who've just not been good enough. Mousse was a talent. He's shown glimpses and cameos. But when Hecky came in, he didn't have the time or the luxury to then have to work with Mousse and get him going. He needed him out of the club so that he could concentrate on the players that had a chance.

I wasn't a big fan of bringing Jebbison back, but its probably more of a gesture than anything else. Jebbison would've benefitted from a full season at Burton. But bringing him back meant that Mousse was gone. In hindsight it was probably more of a "fuck you" to Mousse than a well done to Jebbo.
 
Its interesting reading some of the comments on here. Two things were very clear with Mousse and they perhaps shouldn't be confused:
1. Injuries - He suffered injuries pretty much from that first friendly (i think it was Matlock) and there has to be some sympathy for that. He's come back only to get another injury. On the face of it, its very unlucky. But, regardless, he's had a tough time with them and I had conversation recently with a pro rugby player that suffered similar.

Mentally it can destroy a player when the sport is all they've known since they were a kid. To then keep breaking down with Injuries time and time again, its not easy. McBurnie mentioned something similar recently before his latest injury. He said that he was just getting right and then he was sick the night before a game. But there was no way he was missing the game. I don't know what support the players get for the mental health side, but that can be something which should be as important as physio. Especially if a player is without a proper support network in the city.

However, it should be clear that injuries alone aren't a reason to accuse a player of "stealing a wage" or other such phrases.

2. Attitude - There is no doubting that Mousse had a poor attitude to keeping himself in shape. His weight has fluctuated during his time and for that, there is nobody but himself to blame. That can only be attributed to a poor attitude to his diet/ nutrition and/ or gym work.

I know the PT that started working with Mousse just before he left and Mousse put the work in when he needed to. We've also seen the 6 pack pics. That level of commitment in a short space of time can be as frustrating to fans as a player that doesn't ever do anything. Because we know that he can put the work in.

Mousse, under Wilder seemed to thrive with the arm around the shoulder, Wilder knew how to handle him and get the best out of him, if only for short spells. Slav wasn't that sort of manager, he was a coach and perhaps didn't motivate the players the same. Mousse, like many players relies on others to motivate and challenge him.

Sadly for Mousse, by the time Hecky took over, he'd used all of his 9 lives at the club, no chance of making any of the fee back and its ultimately disappointing when we've seen some of his offield antics for him to then just disappear. He's not like some players, who've just not been good enough. Mousse was a talent. He's shown glimpses and cameos. But when Hecky came in, he didn't have the time or the luxury to then have to work with Mousse and get him going. He needed him out of the club so that he could concentrate on the players that had a chance.

I wasn't a big fan of bringing Jebbison back, but its probably more of a gesture than anything else. Jebbison would've benefitted from a full season at Burton. But bringing him back meant that Mousse was gone. In hindsight it was probably more of a "fuck you" to Mousse than a well done to Jebbo.
Great post, sums up many of the issues very well.

Of all our strikers recently he has/had the most natural ability, except perhaps, Billy, but just could not turn that in to performances with any regularity.

I know for a fact he was departing training and 20 minutes later was in KFC, on a Friday, before starting for us on a Saturday. In no way whatsoever is that acceptable in a professional athlete. That was his problem up and down. If you don't look after your body, your body won't look after you. The polar opposite is Chris Basham. 33, nearly 34, looked after himself superbly, getting a new contract to take him to 35+ with us. That's how it's done.

Still, we'll always have that match at the Lane against Man United when he terrorised Phil Jones.
 
He has only himself to blame and when he gets to Billy's age having retired some years earlier he will look back and think if only I had listened to people who tried to give me good advice. You can never turn the clock back mate. You will regret it I promise you.
 
Ten million for scuffers, odd glimpses of capability, scandal, controversy, continuous injuries and a cavalier approach to your conditioning is an expensive lesson to learn. I'm fucking glad we've got rid - he can be someone else's problem rather than Nice Guy Eddie offloading him onto a naive Wilder for us to cope with in three years of fuck all.

Buddy of mine was connected with a worker at the Copthorne. When Mousset signed for us he was downing industrial strength levels of kebabs per week whilst staying there. Not good if you wish your finely tuned instrument to work correctly, recover correctly and deliver the goods for ninety minutes (has he EVER started and finished a game?) for the eye watering wages you are 'earning'.

Good riddance.

pommpey
 
Clearly he's talented. Clearly he can do it.

Clearly he just doesn't want to do it.

Shame it didn't work out for whatever reason one might wish to use. I liked him though.
 
Bet his youtube vid compilation looks great though, hope he's got a good agent.

Could be a good player, unfortunately football is also played with the head and the heart, along with the feet
 
Another CW 'project' that failed. (At least in the longer term)

In the first season his goals helped us retain our PL place so you could say he repaid his fee.

However his second season was a disaster and write off.

I thought he would have been out main man this season, so how wrong was I?

I think CW took on too many of these 'projects' tbh.

Moose, Zikovic, Rodwell, Morrison to name a few.

Some serious £ on wages there.
 
Another CW 'project' that failed. (At least in the longer term)

In the first season his goals helped us retain our PL place so you could say he repaid his fee.

However his second season was a disaster and write off.

I thought he would have been out main man this season, so how wrong was I?

I think CW took on too many of these 'projects' tbh.

Moose, Zikovic, Rodwell, Morrison to name a few.

Some serious £ on wages there.

Not to mention Burke
 
Another CW 'project' that failed. (At least in the longer term)

In the first season his goals helped us retain our PL place so you could say he repaid his fee.

However his second season was a disaster and write off.

I thought he would have been out main man this season, so how wrong was I?

I think CW took on too many of these 'projects' tbh.

Moose, Zikovic, Rodwell, Morrison to name a few.

Some serious £ on wages there.

The they were once promising but maybe I can get a tune from them project players.

There are reasons some talented players careers fall flat on their arse and its due to their discipline and fitness. Morrison is a classic one, a player that really struggles with mental aspect of the game.
 

The main frustration for me is that he's a guy who has obvious ability and an aptitude for the game but from a purely footballing perspective, he's lazy, work-shy and simply doesn't apply his ability nearly often enough. Hecky obviously thought he was a lost cause and jettisoned him, despite our lack of goalscoring options.

What we don't know is much about his back story and why he's the way he is and why he behaves in the ways that he does. If he can address whatever issues he has, theres a decent player in there but for who is anybody's guess. A fit and motivated Lys Mousset (if such a thing ever existed) could easily hit double figures at Championship level.
 
Another CW 'project' that failed. (At least in the longer term)

In the first season his goals helped us retain our PL place so you could say he repaid his fee.

However his second season was a disaster and write off.

I thought he would have been out main man this season, so how wrong was I?

I think CW took on too many of these 'projects' tbh.

Moose, Zikovic, Rodwell, Morrison to name a few.

Some serious £ on wages there.
If you look at our wage bill we were shopping in the discounted nearly out of date aisle. He wasn't buying these types for a laugh.
 
The they were once promising but maybe I can get a tune from them project players.

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watched class of 92 documentary and this reminded me of a clip of Gary Neville basically saying he had to work at 100% everyday to be in the same team as Beckham, Giggs Scholes etc

Always though of him as a bit of a bell end as a player but his mindset took him probably above his natural ability level and kept him there

Seriously if Mousse had that he would be top half prem easily

“Shit Balotelli, your just a shit Balotelli”
 
The main frustration for me is that he's a guy who has obvious ability and an aptitude for the game but from a purely footballing perspective, he's lazy, work-shy and simply doesn't apply his ability nearly often enough. Hecky obviously thought he was a lost cause and jettisoned him, despite our lack of goalscoring options.

What we don't know is much about his back story and why he's the way he is and why he behaves in the ways that he does. If he can address whatever issues he has, theres a decent player in there but for who is anybody's guess. A fit and motivated Lys Mousset (if such a thing ever existed) could easily hit double figures at Championship level.
He went to shit after his pal died didnt he??
 
Another CW 'project' that failed. (At least in the longer term)

In the first season his goals helped us retain our PL place so you could say he repaid his fee.

However his second season was a disaster and write off.

I thought he would have been out main man this season, so how wrong was I?

I think CW took on too many of these 'projects' tbh.

Moose, Zikovic, Rodwell, Morrison to name a few.

Some serious £ on wages there.
I'm afraid Wilders ego got out of control, he thought he could turn water into wine.
He couldn't and we are still paying the price for his mistakes.
 
The main frustration for me is that he's a guy who has obvious ability and an aptitude for the game but from a purely footballing perspective, he's lazy, work-shy and simply doesn't apply his ability nearly often enough. Hecky obviously thought he was a lost cause and jettisoned him, despite our lack of goalscoring options.

What we don't know is much about his back story and why he's the way he is and why he behaves in the ways that he does. If he can address whatever issues he has, theres a decent player in there but for who is anybody's guess. A fit and motivated Lys Mousset (if such a thing ever existed) could easily hit double figures at Championship level.
I think the conclusion we should take from this, and by we I mean the recruitment team, is that a leopard doesn't change it's spots. If greater managers and clubs with more resources than us or even multiple clubs, fail to get a tune out of them, then so will we.

It's simply not worth the risk for the number of duds you get vs the unlikely gem you may polish and put quite simply you can only spend your money once.

You could probably add the signing of players on reputation or due to who else has had a punt on them is also one to steer clear of.

Ampadu would be my example here. Clearly not fit for purpose at a PL club. But he seemed to be a 'name' and had just come from Leipzig. Didn't Burke? Just because Big Clubs made a mistake on them doesn't mean we have to repeat it. He's just finished last for the second consecutive season.
 
Another CW 'project' that failed. (At least in the longer term)

In the first season his goals helped us retain our PL place so you could say he repaid his fee.

However his second season was a disaster and write off.

I thought he would have been out main man this season, so how wrong was I?

I think CW took on too many of these 'projects' tbh.

Moose, Zikovic, Rodwell, Morrison to name a few.

Some serious £ on wages there.
Seriously less wages than better replacements though, Wilder didn't sign them for a laugh.
 
He's just finished last for the second consecutive season.

His club lost ten consecutive matches on the bounce. He must be used to that feeling by now.

Looking back, it seemed like he was just eking out a season whilst a better offer dropped for him. A real 50% effort player for me.

pommpey
 
He single-handedly kept Salernitana up. You lot are weird, he’s better than Benzema.
 
I admit to being sad that it didn't work out here for Moose, when he was good he was very good but he obviously had problems off the field that he wasn't able to get his head around. All those niggling injuries didn't help either, not forgetting losing people close to him, but being a professional sportsman is as much about mentality as physical prowess & to me it is a lack of mental strength that stops him becoming the player he had the potential to be.

I prefer to remember the good things he did whilst he was here, not nearly enough, but sport is littered with similar stories.
 
Someone, somewhere will take a chance on him on a free transfer. At a reasonably high standard as well. Like what teams have consistently done with Ravel Morrison. It's the nature of football. 🤷‍♂️
 

At least the streets of Sheffield will be safer for our children.
 

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