monty or doyle?

[manksitheblade]

who should be leading the team out? especially with allot of big games coming up

in my opinion it should be monty(think he is injured atm?) simply i think he is an all round better player with allot more experience and better leadership skills but he can every few games give a bad
pass but will always fight for it back and he seems to have more of a presence on the field and is always in the middle of any movement on the pitch.

doyle is an ok midfielder but i dont think should be number 1, doyle for me does very little throughout the game and i rarely see him with the ball, he holds off and refuses to tackle (good example
against Birmingham i think it was the second goal?), he is not a captain and never speaks out and allot of the recent goals have been through disorganisation round the box and doesn't control the
squad or help his team mates like at Charlton were the team reacted terribly to Charltons wind ups and Doyle seemed to be no were and has no presence for me which i think is vital in big games.

i would much rather see monty on the pitch against hud, preston, pigs and scunny and i think we will be allot better for it, i dont dislike doyle in any way but for me he should be on the bench for
now

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[Small Mendonca]

I think Monty should play in the derby as he always raises his game and puts 110% in - he's also got past experience of those type of games. Other than that, I'm not fussed who plays as Doyle seems to be playing a lot better in this division and I think the central midfield pairing with KMac works well with either Monty or Doyle.

 

[SwissBlade]

Currently I wouldn't drop Doyle or take the arm band off him

 

[BexleyBlade]

Think Doyle's complemented Macca perfectly of late. I'm content not seeing him do too much with the ball, he's not there to do that. If he breaks up the play, gives a simple pass and then lets Macca do the fancy, creative stuff I'll be more than happy. For me Monty's time has been and gone. Offers better than adequate cover (albeit very expensive cover) but too much headless chicken, not enough brain.

That aside, don't see Doyle as a great leader, Monty more so. Not sure who I'd give the armband to other than Doyle mind.

 

[Highbury_Blade]

Think Doyle's complemented Macca perfectly of late. I'm content not seeing him do too much with the ball, he's not there to do that. If he breaks up the play, gives a simple pass and then lets Macca do the fancy, creative stuff I'll be more than happy. For me Monty's time has been and gone. Offers better than adequate cover (albeit very expensive cover) but too much headless chicken, not enough brain.

That aside, don't see Doyle as a great leader, Monty more so. Not sure who I'd give the armband to other than Doyle mind.

Not going to be everybody's cup of tea, but why not quinny?

 

[judge]

heart attack or stroke
cancer or aids
assrot or nobscabs
chris moyles or russel brand

 

[BexleyBlade]

Not going to be everybody's cup of tea, but why not quinny?

Perhaps, might be away of channeling the passion. Added responsibility and all that...

 

[Aml-blade]

If it ain't broke, fix it till it is, is usually our policy. Why can't we just not fix it for once? Doyle is doing just fine

 

[norfolkblade]

Doyle. End of.

 

[Bladesman]

Doyle seems to work better alongside Macca.

Monty's time is up I think and for those who praise him so much Id of expected him to boss this league more.

 

[Pinchy]

Doyle or a torn plastic carrier bag blowing across the pitch; covering a lot of ground but contributing nothing; having no leadership qualities and totally unable to play football; giving away the ball, free-kicks and penalties in equal measure.

My word, some of you cling onto mediocrity for dear life, don't you? The very asking of the question speaks for itself.

 

[norfolkblade]

He works well with macca and we are winning most games Pinchy, granted he may not be the best to watch but i couldn't care less as long as he is effective!

 

[stannyblade]

Currently I wouldn't drop Doyle or take the arm band off him

neither would I Swiss

 

[Pinchy]

He works well with macca and we are winning most games Pinchy, granted he may not be the best to watch but i couldn't care less as long as he is effective!

Norfolk,

You misread me - the fault is mine.

Doyle is doing just fine. He is a better player and a better captain than The Maestro. He is no world beater but he can actually control and pass a ball. My description was aimed at the other chap. I despair that, in the midst of a consistent run of good results, punctuated by some really pleasing proper football, someone is actually contemplating his return. It's truly astonishing.

 

[GAZBLADE]

Doyle shade's it for me. Does the same as Monty in a defensive sense, but, would just shade it in an attacking role.
Just my opinion mind!!

 

[SUFC Handsworth]

All things being equal Monty everytime; best defensive midfield player at the club and in the division. However, Doyle is the man in possession and playing quite well at the moment, so shouldn't be dropped. Think the Birmingham game highlighted that certain players at the club (Collins, Doyle, Evans) while playing well at this level, are still way off the pace at a highler level (just like last season). In the long term Monty is a better option than Doyle.

Squad game this season, especially in midfield, Monty will get his chance again at some point.

 

[GAZBLADE]

All things being equal Monty everytime; best defensive midfield player at the club and in the division. However, Doyle is the man in possession and playing quite well at the moment, so shouldn't be dropped. Think the Birmingham game highlighted that certain players at the club (Collins, Doyle, Evans) while playing well at this level, are still way off the pace at a highler level (just like last season). In the long term Monty is a better option than Doyle.

Squad game this season, especially in midfield, Monty will get his chance again at some point.

It's a fair point.
I think both would compliment the way McDonald is playing at present
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[boo radley]

Doyle or a torn plastic carrier bag blowing across the pitch; covering a lot of ground but contributing nothing; having no leadership qualities and totally unable to play football; giving away the ball, free-kicks and penalties in equal measure.

My word, some of you cling onto mediocrity for dear life, don't you? The very asking of the question speaks for itself.

Norfolk,

You misread me - the fault is mine.

Doyle is doing just fine. He is a better player and a better captain than The Maestro. He is no world beater but he can actually control and pass a ball. My description was aimed at the other chap. I despair that, in the midst of a consistent run of good results, punctuated by some really pleasing proper football, someone is actually contemplating his return. It's truly astonishing.

Speaks volumes for monotone postings. How come now he has two names? Why are you so obsessed with this player, its like fatal attraction. Two days after he leaves we will here no more from you.

For me why drop Doyle when he's doing a good job. I now worry about if teams are noting too much about Mc Donald and can he keep developing his game? I hope so.

 

[manksitheblade]

All things being equal Monty everytime; best defensive midfield player at the club and in the division. However, Doyle is the man in possession and playing quite well at the moment, so shouldn't be dropped. Think the Birmingham game highlighted that certain players at the club (Collins, Doyle, Evans) while playing well at this level, are still way off the pace at a highler level (just like last season). In the long term Monty is a better option than Doyle.

Squad game this season, especially in midfield, Monty will get his chance again at some point.

totally agree long term monty is the best player out of the two but i think allot of credit is given to doyle for what maccas doing atm saying that maybe he could be captain but dont know if he has the charisma and experience but he does lead the line well?

 

[Liaminho9]

Much like we did a few seasons ago, the team has a Spine, something he lacked majorly last season. Simmo, Collins & Harry, Doyle & Macca, Ched & Cressy. the middle of the park hasn't really changed and we've been playing well, as they all know each other's gameplay so well, so i wouldn't change a thing atm.

 

[alcoblade]

Doyle is doing just fine. He is a better player and a better captain than The Maestro. He is no world beater but he can actually control and pass a ball. My description was aimed at the other chap. I despair that, in the midst of a consistent run of good results, punctuated by some really pleasing proper football, someone is actually contemplating his return. It's truly astonishing.

Having disagreed with Pinchy on just about every opportunity, I have to totally agree with him here. We really shoudn't be thinking about tinkering with the side. Monty is a better stopper but a poorer footballer. We're in the third division, we mustn't focus on stopping opposition.

UTB

 

[Pinchy]

Speaks volumes for monotone postings. How come now he has two names? Why are you so obsessed with this player, its like fatal attraction. Two days after he leaves we will here no more from you.

Incorrect again Boo but at least you are consistent. You never fail to leap to The Maestro's defence, do you? Some might call it an obsession.

For the record I have rarely, if ever, started a topic about Ploddy. I do, however, know drivel when I read it and try to restore a little sanity. At a time when we have just won 9 of our last 11 league games and playing some of our best football for years, with the central midfielders excelling, someone feels the need to raise this ludicrous suggestion, and plenty of you go with it.

The truth is, sad to say, for many of you, your devotion to this staggeringly overpaid, talentless, liability of a non-footballer exceeds that to your team.

For the avoidance of doubt, I'll be around long after your hero is giving away possession, penalties and points for some other unfortunates.

 

[boo radley]

Incorrect again Boo but at least you are consistent. You never fail to leap to The Maestro's defence, do you? Some might call it an obsession.

For the record I have rarely, if ever, started a topic about Ploddy. I do, however, know drivel when I read it and try to restore a little sanity. At a time when we have just won 9 of our last 11 league games and playing some of our best football for years, with the central midfielders excelling, someone feels the need to raise this ludicrous suggestion, and plenty of you go with it.

The truth is, sad to say, for many of you, your devotion to this staggeringly overpaid, talentless, liability of a non-footballer exceeds that to your team.

For the avoidance of doubt, I'll be around long after your hero is giving away possession, penalties and points for some other unfortunates.

Thing is he is obviously your hero in a perverted way. You never fail to post in any thread that mentions him. I yawn at most these days.
You cannot have bothered to read the lastpart of my post that said we should keep Doyle in.

Your devotion to your own obsession is a little disturbing

 

[norfolkblade]

Norfolk,

You misread me - the fault is mine.

Doyle is doing just fine. He is a better player and a better captain than The Maestro. He is no world beater but he can actually control and pass a ball. My description was aimed at the other chap. I despair that, in the midst of a consistent run of good results, punctuated by some really pleasing proper football, someone is actually contemplating his return. It's truly astonishing.

My apologies Pinchy, thought you said Doyle "is" rather than Doyle "or"

I do agree though, Monty has been an excellent servant to the club but I believe it is time to move on now.

 

[SotonBlade]

If it ain't broke, fix it till it is, is usually our policy. Why can't we just not fix it for once? Doyle is doing just fine

Doyle seems to work better alongside Macca.

Monty's time is up I think and for those who praise him so much Id of expected him to boss this league more.

He works well with macca and we are winning most games Pinchy, granted he may not be the best to watch but i couldn't care less as long as he is effective!

Doyle shade's it for me. Does the same as Monty in a defensive sense, but, would just shade it in an attacking role.
Just my opinion mind!!

Agree with all these points. Doyle and Macca, have to be first choice at the moment unless they are injured or suspended. There's no reason to change things if they are working, even for a Derby match.

 

[super_pig]

>Why are you so obsessed with this player, its like fatal attraction
yeah me an'all i'm afraid.. when this guy leaves i'll probably never come here again.. (who cheered?).. monty??.. no chance.

 

[Grecian2000]

he can every few games give a bad pass

Surely you've mis-typed "seconds" as "games" here.

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cancer or aids

Mmmm, I'm thinking aids is easier to get rid of than Monty though.

For what it's worth, I'm amazed we can have people wanting to change a team who have been on such a good run just to give Monty another go at it.

 

[manksitheblade]

really you think hes that bad, we would have torn up his contract if it was like that and he would never have won player of the season last year and doyle also makes just as many bad passes in my eyes
occasionally he makes one god side ways pass across the half way line to macca and then he does the rest whist doyle is non existant but still gets credit for doing very little imo

 

[LSF]

Doyle or a torn plastic carrier bag blowing across the pitch; covering a lot of ground but contributing nothing; having no leadership qualities and totally unable to play football; giving away the ball, free-kicks and penalties in equal measure.

My word, some of you cling onto mediocrity for dear life, don't you? The very asking of the question speaks for itself.

As one who has long championed the cause for Monty and defended him against some of the awful and insulting stick he gets on here, I have to say Michael Doyle for me as things stand. He's done the job very well this season once he got a clear run at the role and does bring a greater range of skills to the table.
However, never discount Monty, he may well have a role to play in some important games in the coming months, hopefully he'll be able to deliver what is required of him.
I'd have been happy to see Nick leave us in the Jan window as he may well have outlived his usefulness to us now.

 

[Balham]

In my opinion, neither is good enough to be playing centre midfield for a team which should be doing well in the Championship. As it is, we're in League One where Doyle's ability to get stuck in, win tackles and play the simple pass is more important than Montgomery's chasing ability. Don't get me wrong, I'm not excusing Doyle for last season (Derby at home was a particularly woeful performance) but the team is playing well at the moment and that is partly down to the midfield combination we've got.

The other major difference is that Monty might well have a higher appearance bonus written into his contract. That is pure speculation (hello Shorehamview!!) but would add weight to the "it ain't broke" argument.