money from the blackman sale

[God]

Appears to be an echo

 

[KenMcnaughtsNuts]

the thing people always neglect about player sales, is that by keeping a player it doesnt necessarily cost you anything. who's to say that by keeping blackman, we couldnt have sold him for even more in the summer??

if youre always selling players at the first chance, you never have the chance to sell players for maximum value when they hit their peak.

 

[puppet]

Over the years we have built the BL/JS corner office block, the rental proceeds would go straight into funding the playing squad. - LIE... now run by... McCabe family...

Build the hotel on the other corner will put us in a fantastic position, profits will go towards SUFC.... sells to self for £1 because its deemed a white elephant....self-explanatory what happened there!

Sheffield United have had a long standing re-mit since at least the 1960s - to purchase young talent with a potential resale value. We've always done this, now we do it after 5 months. Beyond pathetic.

I was at the AGM where he said the Academy would keep Sheffield United in business for years to come. I think i was just about the only person who said at that time, that does not mean a team of Whitehouses and Wards but a production line of quick salable talent. Theres no intention to make us self sufficient in talent to build for the future. That was approx ten years ago - sales particularly over the last few years bear withness to this.

Why anyone would have faith in him is beyond me. Talks in riddles, leads us up the garden path (well some of you... not me) time after time.... and gets away with it. Blackman sale, on the back of last weeks 'I hope he stays' 'money is there regardless of his sale', ought to be everybody's final straw.

 

[alcoblade]

Blackman sale, on the back of last weeks 'I hope he stays' 'money is there regardless of his sale', ought to be everybody's final straw.

Bang on.

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[SwissBlade]

"I hope he stays". - Do you believe he meant that?


Do you think Beattie had Flu?

He's a liar.

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But I was asking where the lies were in the last few weeks, this season. Not 5 years ago. I've moved on since then.

Regarding Blackman. Didn't he turn down Palace? Seriously I think we have to look at where we are. Yes McCabe probably wanted to keep Blackman. He probably wants us to get promoted. The only way that McCabe will get his money back is if we're playing at a higher level.

As for Blackman, from his perspective he joined us from a championship side in the summer. Did well with us and the vultures started circling. From his point of view he had a chance now to play in the Premier league. The premier league club matched/ exceededmour valuation for him. It was undoubtedly a lot more than what we paid.

Then we have Wilson. Perhaps he thought he could manage with the squad that he has. I don't know. None of us do.

Wilson will certainly have his squad budget (irrespective of FFP) and he also has to manage this. Perhaps Blackman moving on meant we could get the pace of Forte into the side. Who knows.

There is clearly more to this than just McCabe. But people don't want to hear alternatives they remember the sale of BT and can never forgive or forget.

We've all been critical of the playing side this season for varying reasons, but mainly because we've not been good enough. However this window the club has brought in 3 players from a higher level in England plus one in form lad from the SPL, he signed off v Celtic (champions league side) with a decent display and then picked up the player of the month award for the SPL. But people don't want to know that. They just see that McCabe is destroying the club... Yet McCabe is still bank rolling the manager who picks the side. Rightly or wrongly.

I dont know where we'll end up this season, but fingers also get pointed at Wilson. Apparently tactically he is inept. But he's just brought in 3 players that need to bed in, the team is way down on form. This has to be addressed.

Having been given the transfers by McCabe, Wilson must now sort the playing side. Will he be sacked if results don't improve in the next week or so. No, I doubt it. It looks like he's been backed with players and is trying again to bring in more attacking players to address the lack of goals.

Personally I'll be waiting to see how we get on rather than jumping up and down demanding changes at the top or speculating negative bollocks

 

[alcoblade]

But I was asking where the lies were in the last few weeks, this season. Not 5 years ago. I've moved on since then.

"I hope he stays" was reference to Blackman, not 5 years ago.

And like it or not, none of us can really move on from 5 years ago. The effects are clearly being felt today.

As for Blackman, from his perspective he joined us from a championship side in the summer. Did well with us and the vultures started circling. From his point of view he had a chance now to play in the Premier league. The premier league club matched/ exceededmour valuation for him. It was undoubtedly a lot more than what we paid.

A very matter of fact way of describindthe fact that we sold our best player after 5 months, rather than wait until summer. But so what? It's just beyond laughable for the club to pretend they can't stand in his way after that length of time.

Personally I'll be waiting to see how we get on rather than jumping up and down demanding changes at the top or speculating negative bollocks

Aye, all this reactive nonsense gets us nowhere. It's not as though we've been rapidly declining for 5 years or anything. Let's wait and see. Come back in 10 years?

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[robbie11]

"I hope he stays" was reference to Blackman, not 5 years ago.

And like it or not, none of us can really move on from 5 years ago. The effects are clearly being felt today.



A very matter of fact way of describindthe fact that we sold our best player after 5 months, rather than wait untIil summer. But so what? It's just beyond laughable for the club to pretend they can't stand in his way after that length of time.



Aye, all this reactive nonsense gets us nowhere. It's not as though we've been rapidly declining for 5 years or anything. Let's wait and see. Come back in 10 years?

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[GRUMPY BLADE]

Since when have we been in the entertainment business...

Saturday 27th November 1971 Bramall Lane. League Division 1
SHEFFIELD UNITED 7 v 0 IPSWICH TOWN
Woodward 4 [1 pen] Reece
Badger, Dearden
27,233
Hope, Badger, Hemsley, Flynn, Colquhoun, Hockey, Woodward, Salmons, Dearden, Currie, Reece

 

[silverfox]

Saturday 27th November 1971 Bramall Lane. League Division 1
SHEFFIELD UNITED 7 v 0 IPSWICH TOWN
Woodward 4 [1 pen] Reece
Badger, Dearden
27,233
Hope, Badger, Hemsley, Flynn, Colquhoun, Hockey, Woodward, Salmons, Dearden, Currie, Reece

Ah....the memories!

 

[robbie11]

I was talking to one of the coaching staff before last night's game. He told me that Danny had asked MCCabe to hangon until the summer to sell Blackman but was ignored. He asked for permission to approach potential targets and was told he couldn't until the Blackman deal was completed which contradicts what McCabe had said on the radio.

When he was finally given approval to look for replacements his top ten targets were no longer available. It seems clear that Danny has lost confidence in McCabe which can hardly help his personal motivation. No coincidence that neither Mcabe or his son who are both board members bothered to turn up last night.

As an aside what qualifications does Scott McCabe have to be involved in the running of a football club. So far in 2013 he's attended one home game and yet he will be one of the key decision makers at the club.

Not excusing tactics which last night were dreadful but if two of the senior people at the club are not even watching the games how can they tackle Danny and tell him its not good enough?

 

[SwissBlade]

"I hope he stays" was reference to Blackman, not 5 years ago.

And like it or not, none of us can really move on from 5 years ago. The effects are clearly being felt today.

A very matter of fact way of describindthe fact that we sold our best player after 5 months, rather than wait until summer. But so what? It's just beyond laughable for the club to pretend they can't stand in his way after that length of time.

Aye, all this reactive nonsense gets us nowhere. It's not as though we've been rapidly declining for 5 years or anything. Let's wait and see. Come back in 10 years?

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It appears that the status if Blackman has moved on from decent player to legendary status. He certainly wasn't on a par with Ched. But that's almost irrelevant, he was our top scorer so you have a right to question the judgement of the sale, if there are no suitable replacements at the club. I think there are, you probably don't. I've not seen the sale as the end of our season. There are other more pressing reasons why were struggling.

Has anyone said that we couldn't stand in his way? I haven't read or heard this from the club. I heard we accepted a decent offer and this allowed Blackman to make the choice.

I'm not denying that we've been in decline for a number of years, but what I am saying is that in the eyes of the club they are addressing the current form issue by not just selling the top scorer but also bringing players in.

My point about waiting to see is related to the playing side, I'll wait to see how those players settle rather than making a snap judgement.

 

[alcoblade]

It appears that the status if Blackman has moved on from decent player to legendary status.

Who thinks that? He's just the one player who threatened to excite me over the last 1/2 season, and our top scorer even when out on the wing. Rest assured, you can flog any of the rest without much of a mutter from me. Sadly, that's what we're left with.

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[SwissBlade]

Who thinks that? He's just the one player who threatened to excite me over the last 1/2 season, and our top scorer even when out on the wing. Rest assured, you can flog any of the rest without much of a mutter from me. Sadly, that's what we're left with.

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Not just yourself, but it seems many on here have escalated him to be better than he was. I've never denied that I liked him as a player, but he wasnt a stand out player. Perhaps there were reasons for it such as our style of play and the quality of players around him, but he wasnt the world beater that many claim he is/ was.

I'm interested to see how he does with Reading. Good luck to him

 

[alcoblade]

Not just yourself, but it seems many on here have escalated him to be better than he was. I've never denied that I liked him as a player, but he wasnt a stand out player. Perhaps there were reasons for it such as our style of play and the quality of players around him, but he wasnt the world beater that many claim he is/ was.

I'm interested to see how he does with Reading. Good luck to him

There's a reason Reading, Sunderland and Palace were interested though. And interest is one thing we can measure. Clearly nobody was very interested in the rest of the players.

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[SwissBlade]

There's a reason Reading, Sunderland and Palace were interested though. And interest is one thing we can measure. Clearly nobody was very interested in the rest of the players.

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Yep, I'm not denying that.

So, do you think there is nobody else in the squad that can't step up to the mark and replace the messiah?

 

[alcoblade]

Yep, I'm not denying that.

So, do you think there is nobody else in the squad that can't step up to the mark and replace the messiah?

No, I really don't. The one that might is injured, making the sale even more unforgivable. Still, 2 loanees in to get us all believing again.



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[SwissBlade]

No, I really don't. The one that might is injured, making the sale even more unforgivable. Still, 2 loanees in to get us all believing again.



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Again fair play. I don't think Miller is comparable as they seem too different.

Personally Murphy sounds more like a replacement, but so far has been crap. I'm also yet to see him play so its not a judgement, just an expectation.

 

[alcoblade]

Again fair play. I don't think Miller is comparable as they seem too different.

Personally Murphy sounds more like a replacement, but so far has been crap. I'm also yet to see him play so its not a judgement, just an expectation.

I've honestly given up on the season Swiss. Anything we get from it is a bonus. But my energy is now "Anti McCabe". I'd also sack the manager, but McCabe won't have the bare faced cheek required.

At least I'll be spared the risk of having to go to Wembley again.

The team will third division for a good while yet.

 

[SwissBlade]

I've honestly given up on the season Swiss. Anything we get from it is a bonus. But my energy is now "Anti McCabe". I'd also sack the manager, but McCabe won't have the bare faced cheek required.

At least I'll be spared the risk of having to go to Wembley again.

The team will third division for a good while yet.

I can see your point in many ways, you seem less reactionary than some. McCabe has never really worried me, I don't pay that much attention to him and I always think how bad things could be. There are teams in much worse states than us. I know you're going to disagree with that.

Its sad that you're at that point of "Anti McCabe" just don't thrust it on the rest of us like certain other members on here do/ did. It just distorts the fact that you are a decent poster.

Up the Blades, lets hope we do a big U-turn and get back on track! Otherwise I might end up joining you one day

 

[alcoblade]

I can see your point in many ways, you seem less reactionary than some. McCabe has never really worried me, I don't pay that much attention to him and I always think how bad things could be. There are teams in much worse states than us. I know you're going to disagree with that.

Go on then. Name one...


Ref the McCabe thing - it's a fine line between thrusting your beliefs on people, and wanting to encourage something. I'll apologise up front.

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[SwissBlade]

Go on then. Name one...


Ref the McCabe thing - it's a fine line between thrusting your beliefs on people, and wanting to encourage something. I'll apologise up front.

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Swindon for one, Pompey another. Apparently there are a number of clubs close to the edge.

Linz touched on it earlier, but our debts are with the Group and McCabe, most clubs debts are with organisations that will put them into Administration. I see that as a good thing, some would see it as a bad thing and would rather go into Admin, struggle to find a crooked buyer and lose the 9/ 10 points plus have the transfer embargo's

Ref the McCabe thing - I'll remind you when you cross that fine line

 

[MidgetBlade]

My theory: Nigel Adkins recommended Forte from when he was at Southampton and if/when Wilson goes we'll get him in (bit unrealistic I know but you're allowed to dream)

 

[KenMcnaughtsNuts]

But I was asking where the lies were in the last few weeks, this season. Not 5 years ago. I've moved on since then.

Regarding Blackman. Didn't he turn down Palace? Seriously I think we have to look at where we are. Yes McCabe probably wanted to keep Blackman. He probably wants us to get promoted. The only way that McCabe will get his money back is if we're playing at a higher level.

As for Blackman, from his perspective he joined us from a championship side in the summer. Did well with us and the vultures started circling. From his point of view he had a chance now to play in the Premier league. The premier league club matched/ exceededmour valuation for him. It was undoubtedly a lot more than what we paid.

Then we have Wilson. Perhaps he thought he could manage with the squad that he has. I don't know. None of us do.

Wilson will certainly have his squad budget (irrespective of FFP) and he also has to manage this. Perhaps Blackman moving on meant we could get the pace of Forte into the side. Who knows.

There is clearly more to this than just McCabe. But people don't want to hear alternatives they remember the sale of BT and can never forgive or forget.

We've all been critical of the playing side this season for varying reasons, but mainly because we've not been good enough. However this window the club has brought in 3 players from a higher level in England plus one in form lad from the SPL, he signed off v Celtic (champions league side) with a decent display and then picked up the player of the month award for the SPL. But people don't want to know that. They just see that McCabe is destroying the club... Yet McCabe is still bank rolling the manager who picks the side. Rightly or wrongly.

I dont know where we'll end up this season, but fingers also get pointed at Wilson. Apparently tactically he is inept. But he's just brought in 3 players that need to bed in, the team is way down on form. This has to be addressed.

Having been given the transfers by McCabe, Wilson must now sort the playing side. Will he be sacked if results don't improve in the next week or so. No, I doubt it. It looks like he's been backed with players and is trying again to bring in more attacking players to address the lack of goals.

Personally I'll be waiting to see how we get on rather than jumping up and down demanding changes at the top or speculating negative bollocks

so we as a club dont have any income? i presumed things like gate receipts, sponsorship, all the players we always sell etc paid for the managers salary.

 

[KenMcnaughtsNuts]

My theory: Nigel Adkins recommended Forte from when he was at Southampton and if/when Wilson goes we'll get him in (bit unrealistic I know but you're allowed to dream)

very unrealistic. it would be a great move, but he'd want substantial money for players. i cant see him wanting to fester in the lower reaches of league 1 next season with doyle, porter and cresswell our star players!

 

[puppet]

so much laughability in this as ive read down all mccbe the year is one *cue baby with red eyes*

 

[alcoblade]

so much laughability in this as ive read down all mccbe the year is one *cue baby with red eyes*

It's best to sober up before posting fella. Take it from one who knows.



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[JohnDenver]

I'd also sack the manager, but McCabe won't have the bare faced cheek required.

He had the cheek to say we'd be bringing players in right before flogging the most valuable. So it wouldn't be a stretch would it?

But if, he did, would you really welcome it? All it would amount to is a deflection of accountability onto his staff, thus easing the pressure on him. And you'd welcome that? And welcome having him choose a replacement?

Personally speaking, if we sack a manager who got us 90 points last season, was top of the league a month ago, has brought in x-million in transfer money, and we did so without giving him chance to rectify the recent slump or get us playing again...

...well then I truly would despair. The cycle of failure would just have had another big push.

 

[stannyblade]

Or it could work like it did for two promoted teams last year. Fair dos one has been sacked since but they still went up

 

[alcoblade]

He had the cheek to say we'd be bringing players in right before flogging the most valuable. So it wouldn't be a stretch would it?

But if, he did, would you really welcome it? All it would amount to is a deflection of accountability onto his staff, thus easing the pressure on him. And you'd welcome that? And welcome having him choose a replacement?

Personally speaking, if we sack a manager who got us 90 points last season, was top of the league a month ago, has brought in x-million in transfer money, and we did so without giving him chance to rectify the recent slump or get us playing again...

...well then I truly would despair. The cycle of failure would just have had another big push.

I've lost faith in Wilson, bit I'm in agreement that sacking him and McCabe carrying on as normal would be wrong. The problem comes when McCabe's still here in 3 years time - I don't think anyone would advocate keeping Wilson that long - so this quandary will need answering sometime soon.

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[Caveblade]

My real fear if Wilson were sacked would be Mr McCabe replying no thanks to the text from Roberto De Matteo, and then yet again going for the cheap option with a load of spin and bluff to justify it. In this case I think the strong possibility would be a spin line about continuity and stability before Chris Morgan was unveiled as the next Blades Manager.