Missed opportunity this window.

[Harrisblade]

Tottenham are premier league version of Wilder. they have finished in top 4 sometimes top 2 with i think the 9th/10th biggest budget.
bought erikson for 12m
brought Kane rose winks & walker peters from academy
Bought players from lower leagues & overseas gems, like walker, alli, dier, son & vertonghen

Annoying bastards aren't they?

 

[1889]

I said, If a club pisses it's pants about signing a player because he costs a million pounds they don't belong in Championship football.
And that goes for any club

Serious question, who would you rather have John Fleck or Tom Huddlestone ?

(Realistically , in monetary terms it's actually Paul Coutts, John Fleck and Samir Carruthers or Tom Huddlestone? But keep it simple, just answer the original question)

 

[Foody]

No we haven't spent much. Yes we could really have done with another goal scorer.
But it comes down to what we realistically think we can achieve this season. Is this team good enough to stay up? I think we are. Are we good enough to go up? No not even close, and trying to get to that standard would be a huge gamble.

Given both of those things, does at strategy of organic sustainable growth not seem sensible? Gradually improve and build a better squad. Income is now increasing meaning we can invest without gambling other people's money. The problem with chairmen pumping money in, is they generally want it back. Then you end up screwed.

Do you know what? It could be much worse! We have a great manager, a group of players I feel proud to support and are trying to go about it the right way. That is how our club will be successful.

 

[Bladeian]

It could be much worse... it has been much worse for many years now - good or bad transfer window whatever.. I've really enjoyed looking at the Championship table for the last couple of weeks and listening to a manager who really talks sense ... and there are a lot of clubs a lot worse off than us.
Too optimistic? Maybe but I've had a gut full of well deserved pessimism for too many years and the club are finally making me proud to be a Blade again ...

 

[Revolution]

Ebbrel? Hammond? Brayford? Hendrie? Kilgallon? Horsfield?

So because some expensive players have proved poor value in the past we shouldn't buy expensive players? That's your position?

 

[Revolution]

Let's get one thing straight. I'm broadly happy with the transfer window strategy. I've said so on a number of occasions. I have faith in Wilder and if money isn't there, it isn't there.

What I am attacking is the preposterous idea that it's a good thing we've spent less money than other teams. That's a silly position to take.

So I don't know the purpose of the crying baby. If you have an actual argument, I'm happy to hear it.

 

[Revolution]

Heaven forbid that anyone in this club should say anything fucking slightly positive!!!!!

I'm happy with positive statements if they are true.

 

[Pollingtonblade]

As forum poster Roberto might write

"I am confused a little, my friend and I go to the game and we sing songs about no money in the barrel and then we say in the Championship the Arabian prince will find lots of money but we buy a player for minimum pounds and then we are saying we aren't spending this but we will in January "

 

[Silent Blade]

So because some expensive players have proved poor value in the past we shouldn't buy expensive players? That's your position?

No, it is about getting the right formula!

 

[Tynemouth Blade]

 

[Revolution]

No, it is about getting the right formula!

Well, I'd agree with that. And the more money, the better.

 

[finlaytheblade]

We've brought in ten players this window Wilder was hoping for a couple more ,obviously just failed on those.

Where are we at ? Promoted with a really good squad ! lots of players may cut it at championship level some may not.
Wilder not pushed the boat out ( I think he is keeping his powder dry ) finding out who Will and who won't make the grade is the present step the new players Co add some quality and numbers( obviously wilder wanted another striker.
Three months in which to decide who is good enough (I think we will get a pleasant surprise ) January is when we decide to either go for the play offs or build for next season. Leave it to Wilder!

 

[Silent Blade]

Well, I'd agree with that. And the more money, the better.

Not always.

Looking at our past promotion seasons to the top division I would say the only time we pushed out the boat was in 2005-06. We pushed out the boat in 1978-79, 1985-86, 1996-97 and 2007-08 but we failed to get promotion (1978-79 was a spectacular failure). You think we should have Harry Redknapp instead of Chris Wilder?

 

[Pollingtonblade]

Not always.

Looking at our past promotion seasons to the top division I would say the only time we pushed out the boat was in 2005-06. We pushed out the boat in 1978-79, 1985-86, 1996-97 and 2007-08 but we failed to get promotion (1978-79 was a spectacular failure). You think we should have Harry Redknapp instead of Chris Wilder?

His argument is that the better players cost more money I'm not sure he wants Redknapp to spend the money.

He's said Wilder has done well on a low budget and with a bigger budget would make us better.

 

[Silent Blade]

His argument is that the better players cost more money

He's said Wilder has done well on a low budget and with a bigger budget would make us better.

There were several times when we paid more for what we thought were better players. No need for me to do a list.

A bigger budget to satisfy the agents, is that is what you are saying?

 

[Liverpool blade]

We've brought in ten players this window Wilder was hoping for a couple more ,obviously just failed on those.

Where are we at ? Promoted with a really good squad ! lots of players may cut it at championship level some may not.
Wilder not pushed the boat out ( I think he is keeping his powder dry ) finding out who Will and who won't make the grade is the present step the new players Co add some quality and numbers( obviously wilder wanted another striker.
Three months in which to decide who is good enough (I think we will get a pleasant surprise ) January is when we decide to either go for the play offs or build for next season. Leave it to Wilder!

Spot on. Wilder is finally bringing the good times back to bdtbl. He knows what he's doing!. See you all at Sunderland. My niece is a Sunderland season ticket holder and wants us to be loud to get the atmosphere up!!. I told her we'd do that without needing to be asked, so let's be loud and proud as usual. UP THE BLADES.

 

[Revolution]

His argument is that the better players cost more money I'm not sure he wants Redknapp to spend the money.

He's said Wilder has done well on a low budget and with a bigger budget would make us better.

Thank you.

 

[Revolution]

Not always.

Looking at our past promotion seasons to the top division I would say the only time we pushed out the boat was in 2005-06. We pushed out the boat in 1978-79, 1985-86, 1996-97 and 2007-08 but we failed to get promotion (1978-79 was a spectacular failure). You think we should have Harry Redknapp instead of Chris Wilder?

In 1978-9 our transfer policy was run by a moron, Harry Haslam, who took leave of his senses and got rid of 5 young strikers who all went on to score over 100 league goals and replaced them with Alex Sabella and a pile of crap.
I would not describe 1985-6 as pushing the boat out. Peter Withe had the highest wages of any United player but the rest of the spending was not that high, and many of those players were old.
In 1996-7 we did push the boat out. We were undone by terrible injuries and Kendalls over cautiousness away from home and in the playoff final. We then dismantled the team less than 6 months later
In 2007-8 we did push the boat out. We were undone by the worst possible managerial appointment, and within a year we had dismantled that team.

So on 2 occasions we had a shocking manager. On one occasion we were unlucky and then the team was dismantled. I would dispute we spent big in 1985-6. Brealey did spend big in getting promoted twice...there you go, money and success together.

This just proves my point. For once, we have a good manager. It would be nice if we had more cash to give him (we don't, unfortunately). The failures of the past are not relevant to that at all.

What do you not understand about this?

 

[finlaytheblade]

In 1978-9 our transfer policy was run by a moron, Harry Haslam, who took leave of his senses and got rid of 5 young strikers who all went on to score over 100 league goals and replaced them with Alex Sabella and a pile of crap.
I would not describe 1985-6 as pushing the boat out. Peter Withe had the highest wages of any United player but the rest of the spending was not that high, and many of those players were old.
In 1996-7 we did push the boat out. We were undone by terrible injuries and Kendalls over cautiousness away from home and in the playoff final. We then dismantled the team less than 6 months later
In 2007-8 we did push the boat out. We were undone by the worst possible managerial appointment, and within a year we had dismantled that team.

So on 2 occasions we had a shocking manager. On one occasion we were unlucky and then the team was dismantled. I would dispute we spent big in 1985-6. Brealey did spend big in getting promoted twice...there you go, money and success together.

This just proves my point. For once, we have a good manager. It would be nice if we had more cash to give him (we don't, unfortunately). The failures of the past are not relevant to that at all.

What do you not understand about this?

You nailed down our past failures very well there ,the present is what counts Wilder is building a team on a smallish budget but we don't really know what that is.
It's obvious he beleave he can buck the trend of paying big money for players let's see where he takes us .
A lot of fans still trying to bully the club into spending big, that's not the Wilder way.
Good coaching and scouting is his way.

 

[Silent Blade]

A lot of fans still trying to bully the club into spending big, that's not the Wilder way.
Good coaching and scouting is his way.

Thank you.

 

[Silent Blade]

What do you not understand about this?

What I cannot understand is that some are suggesting that Wilder should be dancing to the agent's tune

 

[I should coco]

We don't have to sign £5 million pound players, but if we are moaning about £1 million pound players and £10,000 a week wages we really ought to go back to League One where we belong

The only person on here I can see moaning, is you.

I said, If a club pisses it's pants about signing a player because he costs a million pounds they don't belong in Championship football.
And that goes for any club

Where is our club (or any other club), 'pissing its pants'. A silly comment in a long line of silliness.

What I am attacking is the preposterous idea that it's a good thing we've spent less money than other teams. That's a silly position to take

Of course it's a 'good thing' if you've ended up with better players.

You accuse others of not reading your posts fully but you completely ignored Silent Blade's point that you can spend lots of money on shit.
I will agree that generally the higher the price for a player, the better he is. We all know loads of examples of massively overpriced players and for example can belly laugh at some of the S6 signings.

Good scouting and ensuring you buy the 'right' players can compensate for lack of spending, to a great degree. You also get hungrier players on lower wages, so this insistence on 'big' signings is bonkers. It is playing to the gallery and offers no guarantees, so why not let Wilder, Knill and Mitchell do it their way?

 

[Silent Blade]

I would not describe 1985-6 as pushing the boat out. Peter Withe had the highest wages of any United player but the rest of the spending was not that high, and many of those players were old.

We had a very high wage bill by bringing in experienced players who were of no value at the end of their contracts, sadly we had to accept Southampton's offer for Glenn Cockerill

 

[Ferenc Blade]

BUT given the bids we've made we must have left about £3m still in transfer kitty - we've failed to spend this and make a statement that we are serious about competing in this league.

This mythical money...nowhere have we ever been told we have received the sell on money. It may be paid over three years, who knows.

Too many people get hung up on this. Wilder's doing ok, leave him to it.

 

[Revolution]

You accuse others of not reading your posts fully but you completely ignored Silent Blade's point that you can spend lots of money on shit.

I didn't ignore it. He's saying that on some occasions when we've spent big in the past, it hasn't worked. I agree.

But that is not an argument for not spending big. Just because that happened the last time, doesn't mean it will this time.

And for the umpteenth time, I am not insisting on big money signings. My only point is that the amount you spend generally (not always) correlates with how well you do, and it is silly to be pleased that the club doesn't have the same money to give Wilder as other clubs can hand to their managers.

 

[I should coco]

But that is not an argument for not spending big.

Agreed but equally spending 'small' is not necessarily bad either. With the exception perhaps of Beattie (and ignoring home grown), all the best players over the last 50 years were acquired cheaply relative to the time.
Currie, Cockerill, Kuhl, Deane, Agana, Bryson, Hodges, Bent, Brown, Morgan, McDonald, Murphy, Coutts, Fleck, JOC.

I'd rather CW/AK/PM were careful and checked out signings properly regardless of the amount spent.

Just because that happened the last time, doesn't mean it will this time.

No, but expensive players have larger wages and therefore carry much more risk. We are not yet in a position where we can afford a £6m failure (say £2.5m transfer fee and £3.5m wages).

 

[Fraggle Blade]

Hence why the free spending Middlesbrough have been incredible, where as Cardiff (who have only paid a fee for two players) are really struggling.........

Money buys you higher rated players, not necessarily better ones. Sure money helps, But it's far from guaranteed success; look at Villa!

You can't really compare us with Cardiff, or anyone else from this league yet.
Cardiff are an established Championship side that have been building over several years and improving, they may have only added a couple of cheaper players in the last window, but that was topping up and filling in a few missing pieces. We are starting from the bottom and having to work our way up, so will undoubtably have to spend more to catch up with some of the better established teams in terms of squad quality.
Only question is how long it's going to take us to get in the same position as the established sides.

 

[BushBlade]

Football's not an exact science and the championship is a hugely unstable league where almost anything can happen and often does.

A well run club with a small budget is perfectly capable of competing against badly run clubs with big budgets. It's the well run ones with big budgets we have to worry about. There doesn't seem to be that many in this league though.

 

[BornOnShorehamStreet]

We don't have to sign £5 million pound players, but if we are moaning about £1 million pound players and £10,000 a week wages we really ought to go back to League One where we belong

Not all players we buy will be a success but buying good players is never a bad investment, buying 8 or 10 crap ones instead of two good ones is.

And our fans more than any other should know that

I'm not moaning about it, just pointing out the figures for those who think the purchase fee is the full story