Outgoing? Michael Cooper

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Isaw Joeshaw said:
Most of the keepers who are considered to be among the the greatest of all time in English football such as Banks , Shilton annd Schmeicel were never noted for their distribution skills , and rightly so in my opinion .

All of them gained that reputation from their ability to prevent the opposition scoring goals by making outstanding saves and commanding the 6 yard box to nullify that possibility , which must surely be the most important attributes required from for a goalkeeper.

Without wanting to compare Michael Cooper with any of those all time greats , my opinion is that along with Alan Kelly he has already demonstrated that he possesses both of those attributes in abundance and am delighted to have him in in our team , especially at the mere pittance of a fee that we paid for a keeper of his quality .

For me , his distribution skills are by no means as bad as many we have had in recent times but in any event , must surely rank someway down the list of priorities for those required to be an extremely competent goalkeeper .
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He reminds me a lot of Alan Kelly (the best keeper I’ve seen at the Blades).
He has the same quiet, no drama demeanour and a way of making difficult stuff look straight forward.
I love the fact that he’s prepared to actually catch a ball rather than the ridiculous “punch everything” approach favoured by so many modern keepers.
I would imagine that he gives his defence huge confidence in the same way that Kelly did.
 
Stevo71 said:
Everton say that they'll be increasing their bid for Cooper, the £5m bid for him didn't go down too well in South Yorkshire so the bid will increase to £6m. Would we want to be paying more than that for someone who'll be sat on the bench being potential competition for Pickford? (Everton's words) 🤣
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I wouldn’t swap him for Pickford … I think he’s already better… and certainly less flaky.
Hopefully we’re giving any such low-ball offers the right response … ie quadruple it and we may start to talk.
 
wak1889 said:
But you cannot compare the mens and women's games it's like me saying well the goalkeeper in our under 8s has better distribution than cooper because when he kicks it out they always keep possession and won 9-0 last week, so he could learn something, it's absolutely ridiculous the women's game is of absolutely no comparison to the men's it's played at 30 percent of the pace, there is no pressing no intensity nothing it's ridiculous to compare that's why it's shit
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Aren't you describing why we shouldn't rely on Ai there???
 
I want a goalkeeper that makes saves, doesn't conceed many and commands a back line. We have that in Cooper. I hope he stays with us for many seasons to come.

Distribution is second to the above imo and hopefully a couple of new CBs have that in their locker.
 
MojoMuffin said:
I want a goalkeeper that makes saves, doesn't conceed many and commands a back line. We have that in Cooper. I hope he stays with us for many seasons to come.

Distribution is second to the above imo and hopefully a couple of new CBs have that in their locker.
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Yep, Manchester United were obsessed with distribution under ten Hag and look were it got them. Sacrificed a perfecty fine Premier League goalkeeper in de Gea for Onana who can't even make the most simple saves.
 
I think Burnley will be the most likely in for Cooper if Trafford goes. Others probably prefer a more higher profile international from Europe would be my guess.
 
wak1889 said:
But you cannot compare the mens and women's games it's like me saying well the goalkeeper in our under 8s has better distribution than cooper because when he kicks it out they always keep possession and won 9-0 last week, so he could learn something, it's absolutely ridiculous the women's game is of absolutely no comparison to the men's it's played at 30 percent of the pace, there is no pressing no intensity nothing it's ridiculous to compare that's why it's shit
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Not so. I was comparing the distribution by the England keeper with those in the men’s game.
Of course the overall games differ considerably but distribution by a keeper does not.
 
Weird how these things gather momentum
Maybe Burnley will go in for him but I doubt they will be willing to pay what we want or even if they think he is good enough
 
Isaw Joeshaw said:
Most of the keepers who are considered to be among the the greatest of all time in English football such as Banks , Shilton annd Schmeicel were never noted for their distribution skills , and rightly so in my opinion .
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Different times though. All they had to do in those days was hoof it to around the halfway line and they were rarely asked to receive a ball under pressure from the opposition. Distribution wasn’t a big thing for keepers until around 10 years ago.
 
Unfortunately for Cooper despite being an excellent keeper it’s very unfashionable to recruit an English championship goalkeeper. Most premier league clubs seem to be looking in Europe.

I’m still amazed we had such a free run at him last season. I know he had an injury the season before but if Everton wanted him for £5m that was the time to do it.
 

KMC-1889 said:
Unfortunately for Cooper despite being an excellent keeper it’s very unfashionable to recruit an English championship goalkeeper. Most premier league clubs seem to be looking in Europe.

I’m still amazed we had such a free run at him last season. I know he had an injury the season before but if Everton wanted him for £5m that was the time to do it.
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Can someone put Grbic on Eurostsr to France then he will be in Europe?
 
wak1889 said:
No not all absolutely no correlation to using a Data driven approach at all , and if you had a grasp of how business use data you wouldnt have posted this
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I have no idea how business use data, and I did post that.
But surely Ai uses data in the same way business uses data??
And as its a "data driven approach" I asked.
The thing with data though, it needs inputting, does it not?, and sometimes I'm guessing, it can be wrong....?
 
Moan? Nope-I saw Longhorn said:
Another graduate (1st class ) from the Iniversity of Derby?
Martin Samuel must be shitting himself what with the quality of ‘competition’ the former Derby Municipal Technical College is now churning out?!?
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Fuck me!!!
I was taking the piss, but…..
Only got a 2:1 mind
 

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10p said:
Report from an Everton site is that they think they’ve got much more chance of signing Cooper because we have GRBIC to rely on.
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TBF to Everton, it’s hard to take anyone serious who has taken Grbic back

They are probably asking themselves if we even know what a GK looks like lol 😂
 
You can't blame Everton for trying it on. So much depends on our new owners, their resolve, their intentions for the club short-mid-long term. Although my opinion will carry no weight, you would hope that someone within the club will inform the Board that Cooper is the real deal (alright, there are a few areas for improvement but the lad has the basics and then some to spare) and he's someone to build a team around. I'm happy to be corrected but I seem to recall that Cooper is far from our highest earner, this needs correcting as soon as fucking possible, with of course a contract extension.
 

BigBed said:
I have no idea how business use data, and I did post that.
But surely Ai uses data in the same way business uses data??
And as its a "data driven approach" I asked.
The thing with data though, it needs inputting, does it not?, and sometimes I'm guessing, it can be wrong....?
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If you have ever used the Internet to buy anything from car insurance to a family holiday you have used a data driven approach whereby you input certain information ie the car you drive where u live job u do etc and u get a result and a pricec based on those parameters same with a holiday you input destination, dates number of people going, board type etcc, this is not that far removed from how football clubs use data when looking at players, the AI is just A buzz word for data driven in itself it means nothing as a phrase
 
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